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I got to pick up my Allegiance today 29 inch DL 60-70 pounds from JB's Archery in Middlefield Ohio. He gave me a Sweet discount on this baby too;)


Birth certificate says:
70.8 #, 29 inch draw length, 320 FPS:D

I have the hush kit, a kisser, tru peep and d loop all on the string.


I have it all set up now with 360 grain Gold Tip Pro Hunters at 65# with the 29 inch DL and a loaded up string shoots 302 fps.

I shot a 301 grain Korean Express (carbon express) 3-D select through it at 65# to see what it says. It smoked that baby 327 fps through my chrono[8D]


Copper Johns PROII
Trophy Taker Shakey hunter
Still experminting with stabilizer setups
Simms Ultras

It feels so much like my Patriot its scary! And thats a GOOD thing!

My local class 3-D boys better watch out, I'm gonna be bringing my game again this year[:o]

Hope to see some of you guys up at the IBO indoor worlds in Cleveland:)

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You suck:D J/K:D

Can't wait to get mine. I'll be shooting a very similar setup to yours except with a 28" draw. Wonder what kind of speeds I'm look at.

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Punk........

Actually I have not even ordered mine yet. I have 98% decided I want the Allegiance but want to shoot one first and my local dealer will not have one until tomorrow (Wednesday). I will be there tomorrow to test it out and plan to order it then. I have a short draw so those have not been manufactured yet anyways.

Buckeye, is that 360 grain Goldtip your 3D setup? 302 is plenty fast but almost everyone at the IBO Nationals will be at the 5 grains per lb. minimum. At the local shoots speed is not as important because the targets are normally not set as far, I can shoot 250 fps and win local shoots. At the Nationals most people want every fps they can get.

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I am not sure yet if I will use the Gold Tips as they are set up now or not. I may strip the plastic vanes and put on some Gateways.

Then to save my FOC will drop point weight down as well to 75 grains.

That will put me at 338 grains. At 65# that will put me at 5.2 gpp.

I may even shoot my Carbon Express 3-D selects. I can get them down to 325 grains fairly easily. They seem to fly very well for me with the limited shooting I have done with them and I'm sure the fat shaft won't hurt me[8D]

I have alot of time to mess around with different arrow setups still. I have a 12 week 3-D league starting the second week of Jan. 40 yard max indoors. Can't wait[8D]

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Congrats on the new bow buckeye,really got me thinking about it but I like my pat way to much to get rid of it.:)
I was wondering if bowtech is still using the same string as the 04 lineup.I am having problems with my serving seperating(shooting off string)and read that others were as well over the months.I am ordering new strings for my bow very soon,maybe winners choice,or might consider the GAS strings.

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Mine just turned up as well:)

The first time I drew it back I thought oh crap some one screwed up and only put 50lb limbs on. But a quick check on the scales reveals that it is in fact a 60lb'er.

The draw is silky smooth and SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

Now I just have to set this baby up and do some shooting.

The BC says 60.9lbs 28" draw 300gr arrow 303 fps;)

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hey Buckeye let me ask a question.

you say: It feels so much like my Patriot its scary! And thats a GOOD thing!

SO let me ask the obvious question, why buy one if it's just like the other?

Not dissing you just wanna understand the thought process, you obviously know more about bows than me so help in my education.

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Badatta2d

The new cam system and its possibilities intrigued me[&:]

Level nock travel.
Not as much hassle setting the tiller.
WAY smoother draw force, it has a very fluid draw. No bumps or drop offs.
Feels like I am pulling less weight because the draw force starts off stout then gradually drops off weight to my anchor.
No split harness.
Cams should stay in perfect time even with string creep and stretch.
Faster and more powerful then my Patriot.

And because I like to get new bows[8D]

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Aussie or anyone else with the Allegiance.

What is your complete setup going to be?

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Justin.

My set up is gonna be with the MZE, Spott Hog Hogg-it, No-Peep, String loop and Bowtech "Wild Thing" stabilizer ;):):D

For the moment I will be using my Axis arrows @ 400grs untill I can get some of the new A/C Super Slims.

The only problem I am going to have is that I loaned my spare MZE to a buddy so I will have to take the one off my BK so I wont be able to do any side by side shooting;)

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I have seen the question asked about these new equalizer cam BowTechs but have not seen it answered yet. So I'll ask.......Is there any cam lean??

I had a Patriot dually earlier this year and the cams leaned. I was not able to get it to tune unless I strightened the lean out by twisting the split yokes. It smoked, bad part is I couldn't keep the cams from leaning, after about 100 shots the force of the shots was either stretching the short side of the yoke or it was pulling it through and causing the lean to come back. The bow went back and I'm now shooting an Xtec. I should have waited to buy because the Allegiance/Old Glory is really what I was wanting when I purchased earlier this year, that is, if the cams aren't leaning.

Can someone that has one of the equalizer cam bows answer this question?? It would be greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure some others out there. It probably won't be appreciated so much by my wife, because if the answer is the cams do not lean, I will be selling the Xtec and buying a BowTech.

Thanks

MN_BOWHUNTER

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I have not noticed any cam lean. It was a concern of mine as well and something I really looked at on each of the Equalizer cam bows I saw.

If there is any it is less than my eyes can pick up. I have no means to scientifically test for cam lean. Perhaps someone like Len in Maryland would have them means for such a test?

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Great to hear you got your "Allie", Ausie:D[8D] Sounds kinda "down under" huh!!:D[&:] WE need a full report from you guys ASAP!!!;)

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MN.

From my understanding the Pat Dually the cam lean was built into the bow I too had some doubts about the cam lean on my 03 Pat Dually but that bow just shot lights out.
My 03 Pro40 Dually also had some cam lean but once again it did not effect the way the bow shot.

As far as I can see there is NO cam lean on my Allegiance.

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Your reply to badatta2d answered my question.

I wonder if they could just retro an 04 patriot with the new cams and strings?

Congrats on the new bow!

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Dave.

The limbs from the patriot and the allegiance seem to have a different deflection as well. Also the reinforced limb tips on the 05's are a good idea since there is no more split harness.

I would venture to guess with new limbs and the equalizer cams you could retro fit an 04 Patriot riser??

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I'm still waiting for mine.I ordered it a couple of weeks ago also from JB's mine will be 30 in. 70 lb. Hope it gets here soon:D

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First, let me say that I have not yet REALLY completed any in-depth analysis of the new cam system. My cursory findings are very good so far. The nock travel looks good and the cam lean is more of a glimmer of hope fatal in some eyes rather than a reality.

Now keep in mind that I've only received two of the bows - Allegiance and Old Glory. The cam lean on both of these bows combined was almost non-existent. In fact, if I combined all the cam lean I saw on these two bows, it wouldn't add up to as much as I've seen as a norm on an average single cam bow. And, for the most part, they perform well.

As far as the cam lean on the Dullys, AG is correct. The cam lean on those bows was 'designed in' and fooling with it without this knowledge can develop other problems.

I played with both the Allegiance and Old Glory tonight to try to decide which one I'll order in LH for myself. One of my good customers, who has the same draw length, was really leaning towards the Allegiance until I brought out the Old Glory. We both shot the bows back and forth and finally agreed together that the Old Glory was better for us. For our draw length, the Allegiance was just too uncomfortable for 'good' form.

Could we shoot the Allegiance accurately? YES. Was it faster than the Old Glory? YES - by 5 fps. Were we willing to give up 5 fps for a more comfortable draw cycle and fit? You betcha!!

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Blodg

I set a Gold Tip Pro up at the specs mentioned earlier with 4 inch gateways and a 75 grain point. It put my arrow weight at 334.6 grains.

Shooting 5.15 gpp (65 # 334.6 grains) yields 310-312fps through my chrono.

Thats insane for a 29 inch DL and a loaded up string[8D]

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Those are some great #ers and yes with new limbs, strings and cams it would be mo-betta just to sell the Pat and buy the Allegience if that's what I wanted to do.

Sounds like a great shooter!

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http://www.bowtecharchery.com/whats_new/BinarySys.htm

Here's a link describing the "binary" cam system.

It shows the small slot of draw stop adjustment.

It's also interesting to note that full draw with no peg will = 100 % let off, but no recovery- the bow will be "locked" that way. Sounds like a cruel camp sabotage waiting to happen ;).

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Buckeye,

I see you bought at JB's was there that dramatic of a difference in price vs Acorn? Or do you just have an "in" at JB's to get a discount.

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JB is a great guy and a pleasure to deal with. He has better prices on most things than Acorn but I also have some "in" with JB. Bob over at Acorn is a good guy to though. Acorns shop is second to none though 40 yard indoor range Techno hunt and a large assortment of accessories.

I just personally like dealing with John at JB's the most.

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Great looking setup! Looks like it will make a great hunting bow! I wish you the best with it this coming year!

:)

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This new bow look's mighty good .

nubo

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Buckeye, that is a nice looking setup!

How close is the actual draw length to advertised draw length? Is that the Trophy Taker on there? Is there enough travel on the slide to put a Zero Effect on there?

Questions questions questions.....:D

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Hey Bucky....picking mine up tomorrow. I'm putting a MZE on it and we'll see how it works, but I don't think it will be a problem to function correctly. What a sweet bow. I pulled it back for the first time today and it's like no other bow I've drawn. Hard to explain. In a good way.

My certificate stated: 27" (short draw) at 70.8lbs with 350gr was 298 fps. I think with my set up, which includes a lower weight arrow will give me slightly over 300 fps, which is what I was looking for. We'll see.

Later and congrats.

Kelly

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For the guys shooting the new system, what kind of speed am I looking at out of one?

My setup is 376gr Gold Tip Xt 27" , 28" draw at 65lbs.

Any rough guesses?

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I measured mine and it is dead nuts 28" as for the MZE no problems it works great on the Allegiance;)

muzzyman88

Mine is set up 60lb 28" draw with a 400gr arrow was doing 265 consistantly through the crono un fortunately I gave all my light arrows away but you should be able to work it out my guess would be around 275/280 with your specs.

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S-M-O-K-I-N-G! ! !

Yes that is insane. I have only ever entered a few ASA events but guys with the Allegiance are really going to have to drop the poundage or shoot heavy arrows to meet the 280 fps maximum.




So kcison the 27" draw lengths are shipping already? That is the first I have heard of that, won't be long for me now. Only problem is I don't have a good place around me to shoot indoors. I miss when I lived near a big city and shot indoor leagues all winter. Buckeye, that is awesome that you have an indoor 3D league you can shoot in.

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That is a pretty sweet looking setup.

What is the weight of the bare bow and what is the ATA?

Oh yeah...what might I get out of a used SQ2 for trade or if I were to sell it outright? Not like some of you guys...I only have enough money to have one bow!

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I have no idea what a dealer would give you for a trade. None of the ones around here take used bows for trade. You have a Mathews, which should get you pretty good $$ on ebay. SQ2s have gone down a little now that everyone is gaga over the Outback, but I would think you should be able to get $400 for it or maybe a little more depending on what accessories you would be selling with it.

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Antler Eater

The bows draw length is right on. These cams seem to run a little shorter than the Infinity and the Freedom cams on draw length.

I have a true 29 1/2 inch DL. With the 29 inch cams and my D loop it fits perfect.

muzzyman

I come up with 278-279fps for your set up. Thats if you have a loaded up string like I do. Add a little if you don't use a peep and kisser as well

Blodg

How far of a drive is New Castle PA[8D] That is where I am shooting the league.

My sweet sweet IBM:D

33 5/8 axle to axle
4 lbs 3 oz
7" brace height
IBO 322 - 328 fps

For bare bow I think you would be in the neighbor hood of $325. Perhaps $375 if everything really swings your way. As for your accessories add up what they cost you and divide it in half. This would be a good starting point for you.

Throw it up on the new HNI classifieds:)

BTW those IL whitetails wouldn't stand a chance against the great IBM with a BowTech in his hand[:o][:o] It would almost be cheating;)

Take for example Kcison this year. Hunted with the Outback and nothing. Took out the trusty BK and bam alam 150-160 class P&Y buck on the ground:D

Geez.....Now that I think about it that BK of Kcisons has put down about 400# and 340 inches of P&Y bliss the last two years[:-][:o]:)

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Now the scary question....what does the Allegiance cost. And do I get a free hat?;)

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Yes, what are we talking here for price range? Do I need to look at getting a second mortgage?

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MSRP is $749.

It can be had for less than that though. I am willing to say you could pick one up for $650 plus taxes.

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Opps sorry. You get a free hat and sticker:)

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Directly from Yahoo:

Starting from: Republic, OH
Arriving at: New Castle, PA
Distance: 160.5 miles Approximate Travel Time: 3 hours 22 mins

Damn Buckeye, a little too far to drive every week. Too bad because you may have shot bigger deer the last few years but I would whoop your ass at 3D!!!! [:'(] :D ;)

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Could somebody with an allegiance and/or an Old Glory measure the riser for me (From the outside edge of one limb bolt to the other works for me.)

Thanks.

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From the outside edge of the limb bolts, I get 24 inches. From the outside edge of the limb pockets, I get 27 inches.

Just buy one!! LOL