RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

The letters below is one of the letters we got from Bowtech and the letter I had sent back to Bowtech a few months ago when we were complaining about the speed we were getting from the 04 SC Patriot we had purchased. We had posted them here on this forum at that time.

As stated below this Pro Shop had just started selling Bowtech bows when I got this one, so when I complained about the speed, as I said below he just took it back to Bowtech, as he goes out of state often to compete in archery shoots, instead of looking at it himself. But when they sent it back to me it looked as nothing had been done to the bow & it shot the same, as best I could tell.

When someone on this forum said they shot faster with a 70# Patriot let off to 62# than the 60# jacked up to 64# I ordered the 70# limbs.

Now the tech at Bowtech said the bow should be more efficient jacked up all the way.

When the above Shop Owner changed the Limbs, he said the limbs as came from Bowtech had been installed wrong. He said on one limb pocket, a seating component was folded double where it should not have been.

He said he believes now the limbs should be more balanced and could very well put out more speed. When we have time we will verify.

Now I do not know what this says about The Bowtech Quality Assessments or Checks: or their Customer Service. But if one, as stated in many of these post lately, hear noises or see other glitches in Bowtech bows, I believe one should open or have someone open the bow & confirm the assembly.


Don,

Our advertised speeds are tested at a full 70 lbs. with a 5 grain per
pound arrow. Any time you're dealing with draw weight less our
advertised weight you'll lose some speed even though you're still using
a 5 grain per pound arrow.

The cam timing should be set at 0.305 for best performance.

If you feel there's something wrong please have the dealer call our
Warranty Dept. to get it taken care of for you.

Regards, Pat



HELLO BOWTECH : Relating to This Bow(H46950115)

I know that advertised speeds are tested at a full 70 lbs. with 5 gr. per pound arrow.
But one has to take the info put out, when you cannot shoot it before you pay.

I bought this Bow with 4 draw length Modules to test archery components & I could use more speed. I have Mathews, Bear, and Darton Bows but none offered more than 310 fps @ 5 grs.

Where I live we had to pay for this Bow before we shot it. So I called Bowtech 2 or 3 times to make inquiries about the speed, what speet we would loose at 60+2-3 lbs. 5 gr.: and was told very little if any.. I was not given a fast number but was told within a few feet of low range or over it. That is the 320-328 per 5 grs.

Now the Birth Certificate is puzzling it says Peak wtight is 61 shooting 300 grs, but the Pro Shop & myself get 63 lbs. Does that mean the bow is meant to be shot at 4.85 grs.? The Pro Shop did some test at 4.86 grs per lbs(63 lbs-306 grs) & got 314,315, & 316 fps from this bow. The shop owner told Mike he got 316 fps from this Bow as if it is supposed to be shot at 4.86 grs.. So I may need more instructions on this Bow.
At 5 grs that would be 311,312, & 313 fps. Not precisely what I Paid The $700 for.
And my meters one is same as theirs, plus one just bought to confirm this Bow’s readings got 2 or 3 less fps.

The Pro Shop Owner is taking this bow up to you this week-end for the shoot-out & Mike said a new Birth Certificate would be put on it for the 30” Module. I hope it is a Birth Certificate I can understand a little better.
Let me know where & if something is wrong, or if we have a failed communication.

Thanks

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Hey that's me!

As much as I hate to do it, my Patriot will be bowshop bound on Monday afternoon (after putting in a morning hunt with my 8 year old mathews).
I'm gonna let them try to figure out my noise, maybe there is a limb issue which might help out my tuning issue. I just hope I don't loose the progress I've made when they brake my bow down.

So how does your bow shoot, other than speed, with the fixed limb pocket?

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

I would have to say I am one of the guys that has had an unpleasant (so to speak) experience with my Bowtech. My worst experience was with the dealer but still the problems I have had should not have escaped quality control.

My 03 Patriot was LOUD when I got it home and shot it outside. After trying a million different things and spending over $100 on silencing accessories and getting a new rest I was shocked when the cable rod fell right out on the floor when I took the gaurd off [:o]

I was told to take it to a different shop because there is 2 sets of screws to tighten the rod and one was not tight. The new shop could not get the second screw tight and found out that a hunk of metal machined off the riser was jammed in the threads of the inside screw hole. How this escaped quality control at Bowtech is beyond me.

To this day I don't consider my bow stealthy. I don't think it is LOUD but it sure isn't gonna wow anyone with it's silence either. I am shooting heavier arrows this year and it still has some noise coming off it. I don't know what it is. The bow has been pulled apart and all accessories checked. I have not shot the bow at a deer yet.........hopefully I will this year......but if and when I do if i get jumped I am gonna be FUMING.

I have decided that at the end of the season I am gonna send the bow back to Bowtech and make them figure it out. For a top shelf bow at top shelf money that preaches speed, silence, and smoothness.........I expect less noise.........especially considering I am not shooting light arrows or even have the limbs maxed out and have every silencer on the market stuck on it.


To be fair the bow shoots like a dream and does give me speed I can get no where else. I can drive tacks out to 40 yards with it and I haven't seen a broadhead yet that didn't fly with my fieldpoints out of it.

If it was a quieter bow I would say it was perfect.


To be continued..............

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Send the bow to me, priority mail and I'll fix it for free and return it via priority mail also;)

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

This is bizarre; my 04 Patriot was the most quite Bow I had, even with the 306 gr @ 311 fps: so maybe the fold over seating component was not all bad..??

But it will be a few days before I find time to shoot it again: post at that time.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Wow, so the company told you you would get 320-328 and you got 313-316 shooting at less draw weight, whew, that's a whole 1.3%. Company said max would be 61 pounds, and you got 63. I know be loosing sleep, I'd be sending my bow back if it did that.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Check the module screws on your not so stealthy bow -- very often this is the cuase.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

WOW.........I knew cats had nine lives but not horses. I could have sworn that we have beaten that horse to death already[:'(] It's like dejavu all over again:eek:

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Rob,

I can't even count how many times I have checked EVERY screw on this bow. I have taken the bow apart piece by piece and shot it to see if I could isolate the noise. The cable rod is epoxied in the riser for zero vibration. I have the stock shock blocks from Bowtech on the limbs near the riser and Limbsavers near the cams. I have a Limbsaver cable dampener on the rod near the riser. I have cat whiskers on the string and cables. I have no peep tubing. I have limbsavers on my sight. I have a new Doinker D2 in as a stabilizer and a small 1 oz Doinker in the rear stabilizer hole in the riser. I shoot heavier arrows (Carbon Express Terminator Hunter Selects) with 100 grain tips at 27".

I just don't know what else to do except send it back at the end of the season and let them fix it or replace it. It just makes too much noise for a Patriot with every silencer on the market attached.

Like I said already. I LOVE this bow!!! It shoots faster then any bow will out of my hands and I can group broadheads well at 40 yards from a treestand.

If it wasn't for the noise issue I would be 100% completely satisfied.

The worst part is I know guys with the same bow and shooting with them really gets on my nerves because my bow sounds nothing like theirs do with less then half the crap loaded on.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

There is a lot of equipment on this bow, if you have taken the bow apart & checked for the correct assembly, it groups fixed blade broadheads well @ 40 yds, nothing loose, timing ok, nothing cracked, correct clearance for moving parts, & no arrow contact: it would be interesting to know what it would sound & shoot like, with everything off but the blocks & gear from Bowtech.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Did you check to see if your grip is loose? The grip on my Justice and also the grip on my wife's Patriot is loose on the side that has the BowTech logo engraved in it. I can squeeze the grip and it will give just a bit. If you take your index finger and lightly tap on the area above the BowTech logo, you can hear a hollow sound on our two bows, tapping on the other side sounds solid. Our's isn't bothering our shooting and I'll just wait until it's loose enough to remove and then re-glue,,,, maybe this winter;) I believe that due to the very thin cross section of wood in the grip, that moisture,,, either absorbed into or has escaped from the grip causing it to spread and is loose on the logo side.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Atlas,

To narrow it down, I'd take everything off the bow and then add one item at a time. Take off the sight, the grip, quiver, No-peep, stabilizer, even the rest if it may be making noise. add things back one at a time starting with the stabilizer. With the string off, check the cams. Make sure there is no play. When putting accessories back on, I highly recommend putting a layer of mole skin anywhere there is metal to metal contact.

Good luck,

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Some people wish to know about how a bow will shoot, so they can tell if a bow has been assembled correct or has defective parts: as the Pro Shop Owner, encountered with this bow. This Shop Owner is one of the best competitive shooters & goes often to meets out of state, so he just took this bow back himself.

Not being loaded, when I pay $700 for a bow, it is expected to perform, almost at least, as well as the company techs tell me it should.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Not all scales are the same. Yours could be off.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

[quote]ORIGINAL: silentassassin
WOW.........I knew cats had nine lives but not horses. I could have sworn that we have beaten that horse to death already[:'(] It's like dejavu all over again[quote]


I’m sorry, but I did not know that Bowtech’s Correct Assembly of Bows had been brought up 8 times on this forum lately, But one could ask Pat or some other tech at Bowtech, about what they saw wrong with this Bow (H46950115) & ask what dealer they sent it back too, who found an incorrect assembly of it, when they did take it apart to change the limbs????

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Me too, but the only thing I can trust is how it is shooting in my own hands, no-one elses.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Some people are just different: as indicated several months ago here on these posts, when ones pay $700 + for a bow, I believe one should be able to almost duplicate the way it shot, in the hands of the company tech ??

If not, & the company does not take it down to find the problem, they should pay the Pro Shop Owner or the Bow Owner who found & corrected it ??

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

I love my new BowTech Patriot dually,I can't tell you of anything that I don't like about this bow .As far as BowTech's customer relation's I'd have to say that they're number #1 as well .Sorry to hear of your problem's and I hope you can get thing's straightened out .
I'm sure if Walk's with a Gimp get's his hand's on your bow you'll be more than satisfied with the result's .It certainly can't hurt.

nubo

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Thanks nubo: BUT the Pro Shop where the bow was bought took it apart and found that it was assembled incorrect.

I believe when a bow does not shoot near the speed the company tech’s, appraisers, or advertisers say it should: when brought back to them they should be the one’s able to tell you it is assembled wrong, without one waiting for a pro shop owner a few months down the road to make the assessment.

Maybe the people you mention should work for them, to stop incorrectly assembled bows from being shipped from the same factory twice.

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

I looked at my limb pockets when it was tore down last week and couldn't grasp what was folded over on yours, could you specify what the issue was?

Inside my limb pocket I saw a white plastic shim with a slot in the middle for the limb bolt to slide through, kinda looked like teflon. But it looked way too thick to fold over and if it was I can only assume the limb would sit crooked. When I look at the assembled bow I can see a piece of black plastic sitting towards the rear, some sort of spacer.

p.s. mines still slow, but as I've said in the past- oh well. Live and learn.
65#, 29" draw, peep sight(no tube), ONE cat whisker on top, string loop w/ tied in nock, 418 grain arrow= 263-265 fps (both my chrony and the shops). Sound slow to any of you?
Maybe the new extra lubed limb pockets will fetch me another fps[:-]!

RE: Letters From Bowtech.
 

Here is the way the assembly story went.

When it was decided to test the 04 patriot SC post on this forum, about 70# limbs jacked down vr the 60# limbs jacked up I called bowtech to see if there is anything to watch for on this bow, because I intended to change the limbs myself if the pro shop would have charged extra.

When I talked to the bowtech tech, about the job he said then to watch for, getting the shim or spacer (don’t remember now what the word was, could have been, seating pad) folded, so I guess there has been some sort of problem about that, when some people, or in this case bowtech themselves also, assemble these bows.

The pro shop owner said he did not charge for the change so we let him do it & did tell him about what the tech from the company said: as these people have not been dealing with these bows long, ours were their 2nd but they do have all instructions.

These people are good & often shoot in other states. I did not watch as they installed the limbs but he told me a component had been installed folded; I picked it up at closing time & did not have time to get the full story: will try to call next week for more info.

BUT looking at it here & now, there does appear to be a pad between the rocker and the limb, and as someone said before, much lubricant, so much in fact one cannot see the pad. As these people are new to this bow, I would deduce this heavy lube came from the instructions they received from the factory ??

I have not had time to try this bow lately because we had a house built & are very busy building a shop to get gear out of the rain, which usually starts here in Nov.

When there is more time we will test & put out the results on a post.

Now to get all the terminology & instructions on these bows, one could look up the Patent on the net.

Now if you intend to take this bow down and do not feel confident about it, I would advise a call to a company tech, first.