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Slim

I have the same rest as you but I shoot a release. I had the old biscuit and I shot my arrows with cock vane down. The cock vane was hitting the rest in the same spot as yours, on the bracket. I switched to the B2 biscuit this year and I am shooting the cock vane up. I have not had any contact since. In Eastons guide they suggest using a lower profile vane if possible which might correct the problem. I agree with Atlasman that if the WB is tuned then vane wear will almost be eliminated. I am going to switch to Bohning vanes and tune my WB better. I think my GT 5575 XT arrows are underspined and that could be causing alot of my vane wear. I have also noticed that my arrows are fishtailing. I shoot a Bowtech VFT extreme 29" draw 72#
at 295fps. If my arrows are underspined as I am thinking, then I am going to bump up to the GT 7595xt's and move forward from there. I am still getting excellent groups with the 5575's but the fishtailing is bothering me. Now when I paper tuned the bow last year at 6', I was shooting bulletholes. I thought the bow was tuned but now I know I need to shoot at paper from different distances. Atlasman thanks for adding this thread, you really got me thinking about my setup and I believe my bow is not tuned like it should be. I love the WB but it has to be micro tuned just like other rest.

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Well, other then one of my vanes getting rippled, I love shooting the WB. My groups are a little tighter and the arrow seems to fly better. Not to mention when I am shooting at severe angles up and down or walking throught the woods with an arrow nocked, I never have to worry about my arrow falling off or holding my arrow on to the flipper. The WB allows me to pull my bow back without any concern of rest malfunction or malfunction due to excitment, other then just missing. ;) I can't tell you how many times I have had problems with this in the past. However, this is mainly due to the fact that I have never sat in a blind or tree stand. It's just an impractical way of hunting in Western Washington. When I take shots I almost never have the time to truely prepare or range the animal. In particular, this year when I killed my cow elk I probably wouldn't have been successful without the WB. I snuck to within 20 yards and the animal spooked, as it began to pick up speed, broadside from me, I just followed it with my bow quickely and shot on instinct without my pins. One shot and it went 20 yards, trust me, this isn't typical. I don't believe that the flipper that I used for the last 2 seasons could have held the arrow as effectively. But obviously this is just a assumption.

But I definately will figure out how to fix my problem. And I will post what I find when I do.

On a side note. The B2 biscuit comes with the WB QS Deluxe, doesn't it? If not what does it look like?

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Here is a picture of how Carolina Archery products reccommends I nock my arrows with the wisker biscuit:



Here is that arrow after 5-10 shots. The arrow is hitting on the lower bracket, as I explained earlier (notice the marks on the inside lip of the bracket) The lower vane is the ONLY vane that is damaged/rippled:



Here is the ONLY way to completely avoid hitting the lower bracket. And this works to avoid the bracket. However, the right / inside vane hits the cable and becomes more damaged then hitting the bracket. Again, this is the ONLY vane that is damaged/rippled. On a side note, the cable is adjusted all the way out:



Here are two pictures of how my WB QS Deluxe is setup on my bow. I don't think anything is incorrect, but it's worth a shot:





So, as you guys can see, my problem is a perplexing one. Any help would greatly appreciated.

Carolina Archery products reccommends that I move my nock point up a 1/4'' since I use fingers. Does this make sense, what would this accomplish in theory? Why wouldn't I want my arrow to sit perfectly flat? They also claim that Bohnning vanes work the best in a 1-2* ofset or straight fletch.

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They actually reccomend shooting cock vane up with the quick shot biscuit. Your first pic is cock vane out.

I cant for the life of me see how you could have been getting contact with your cables. At least from the angle in your pic.

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I spend alot of time reading the posts but don't usually reply too much. I ran into a friend the other day who was practicing with his new (used) bow. We started talking about setups and I told him how much I loved the whisker biscuit rest. He couldn't believe I used one since he heard how terrible they were. I just shook my head as he loaded another arrow cock feather up on his prong rest and made another terrible shot. His bow was not shooting very well.

I have used the whisker biscuit for two years now and couldn't be happier with it. I didn't bother trimming it or upgrading this year to the b2. I shoot carbons thru the aluminum sized biscuit and paper tuned until it was perfect. I just started practicing at 50 yards this year. Yesterday I used 6 arrows, 3 with 4" feathers and 3 with 5" feathers. I put on a fieldd point, 3 100 muzzys with practice blades and a 100 and a 75 grain expandable. I was just playing around to see how each shot. I was actually kind of shocked when I shot all of the arrows into a 6" wide circle at 50 yards more often than not. I'm not a great archer either and I don't shoot all the time. I did notice the 5" inch feathers whistled a bit in flight so I think I'm going to stick with the 4". I have them fletched with as much helical as I could get away with using my jig and I shoot with the cock feather straight up. I have never lost a feather and the only wear is a very slight fuzz on the edges. I think the important thing to do is make sure the bow is tuned, I stopped letting the bowshop screw it up and learned to do it myself with info I learned from reading this forum. It's nice not worrying about your arrow coming of the rest when drawing on a deer during hunting conditions.

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Actually, here is what is posted on the Carolina Archery Products website for finger shooters:

"Will the Whisker Biscuit Arrow Rest ® work with fingers?

Yes. The Whisker Biscuit Arrow Rest T works well with fingers. When paper tuning a bow for finger shooting, the shooter must keep in mind that the normal tear shows nock-left for right hand shooters and nock-right for left hand shooters. It is possible to tune a bow with this rest on it to shoot a bullet hole using fingers, but you may notice that the arrow angles to the right of the centerline of the bow, and thus it will shoot to the right (for a right hand shooter).

If it isn't already, you may want to set up your arrows with the cock feather out. This will provide a larger profile of feathers in the vertical plane, which helps stabilize the arrow faster for finger shooters. Just remember to keep the arrow close to the vertical centerline of the bow (just to the left of the string), set the string nock about 1/4 inch high, and you will get good results."

I would guess that you are referring to shooters that use a release. But anyways, from the angle in the picture it may not seem that the vane facing the cable is that close, but it really is. Not to mention when the bow is pulled back and is released, don't the cables torque closer? Maybe I can find a better picture...

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Sorry , yes I was refering to release shooters.

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Atlasman

I switched from GT 5595 to GT 7595 with feathers, now my arrows are spined correctly for my setup, FOC is at 10.5%. I paper tuned and I am getting bulletholes. Grouping at 30 yards is excellent. My only grip is that the arrows are corkscrewing. It is really noticeable from 30 yards+. When your arrows were corkscrewing which adjustment did you make first to the WB. I have the deluxe so I can adjust either way. I like the groups but like you I want excellent arrow flight.

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How do you know your arrows are "corkscrewing" and what exactly is "corkscrewing"? When I think of the term corkscrewing the first thing that comes to mind is spinning. Are you sure your arrows aren't porpoising?

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Bowfanatic

They are not porpoising, when I shoot I can see the arrow flying like a corkscrew. It almost like the arrow is doing a complete circle. I switched to feathers and I am still having the same problem. I know it is something with my WB just have to get it tuned. Atlasman stated he had the same corkscrewing and had to adjust his WB