Thanks for the info. I am shooting great with alum. but a little more accuracy and speed sounds great. Right now with a 60# pull and 2413 I need pins for 10 20 30 and 40. I can put most of the arrows in a 6" circle at 40 but the arrow takes forever to get there. A deer could probably leap away before it got hit. I like the ACC but they are wicked expesive.

Just what bow are you shooting anyway, where 2413's are so painfully slow? Is it a late model bow or an old beater?

Its a new Jennings and I its not all that slow. I looked at Easton on line and the grain per inch for 2413 is 10.41. Most carbons are 8 or 9 GPI. Would this weigh make a huge difference with my site pins and speed?

If you use 28" arrows, at 8-9 grains per inch vs 10.4 gpi, the weight difference would be something like 40-68 grains. Figuring 1 fps for each 3 grains of arrow weight, you're looking at maybe picking up some 13-22 fps. Hardly earth shattering, IMO.

It's not going to increase your effective range by any more than possibly one yard on either side of the deer. It's not going to skewer a string jumping deer any better than your current arrows would. If the lighter arrows make your bow more noisy, it could even make the potential problem worse. And that's all it is, a potential problem.

It's your call. Is the small gain in speed worth the expense of high grade carbons? If not, is the small gain in speed worth dealing with the problems that come with lower grade carbons?

And, besides those two points, is this one: Can you shoot good enough to even see a difference between good arrows and junk? That's a big point that not many people think about when they hear folks raving about how great carbons are. You'll find that most people who complain about the quality of carbon arrows are also very good shooters. The ones who rave about cheap carbons are usually just good enough shots to be able to hit the broad side of a barn... from inside the barn... with the doors closed.[8D]

C'mon Arthur, tell us how you feel. Don't hold back and spare anyones feelings or anything.

Some how I don't think we are going to be on goldtips shooting staff anytime soon, what do you think?

Paul

LOL! Doubtful, Paul. Doubtful. [8D]

Is this a trick question?[&:]

Put it this way I'm shooting the same set of goldtip carbon arrows I bought when they first came out.They still shoot like new,and have been through several re-fletchings.I would have gone through at least ten times that amount of aluminums over the years.