Drop away rest vs. Wisker bisket???
 

I am shooting through a wisker bisket rest. I am shooting pretty good groups with it. The only thing I do not like about it is its hard on flecthings. I have the old model not the drop tine. I am shooting Easton AXIS 340 arrows. I like the arrows but the fletching get bent up with just a few shots out of the W.B.
My local pro is shooting the exact same bow. He is trying to talk me into a ripcord fall away rest? I like his rest but I am not sure if I would gain enough or anything if I switched???
What would you guys & gals do?

RE: Drop away rest vs. Wisker bisket???
 

Update your whisker biscuit rest to the deluxe with the b2 biscuit and you'll be amazed at the difference. The difference is like night and day.

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JMO but given a choice between releasing an arrow and having NOTHING touch it until the target or releasing an arrow and having the fletching get smacked right out of the bow??? No contest. Use the drop away. I just can't let anything touch my arrow until it hits the target.

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Trim you WB, do a search for these rests, someone should tell how to do it. I don't think drop aways solve as many problems as what people are led to believe. That being said I shoot a drop zone on my bowtech and muzzy on my darton. But I know plenty of people using the WB and love them. They are a pretty good rest for hunting, especially ground stalking.

If you are having excessive fletching wear with this rest you may want to check the rest set up and tune as well. If you are shooting nock high or your center shot is off the fletchings will rub the rest more than they need to and it will tear them up faster. That's what I've heard anyway. I have never used one, but it makes sense.

Good luck,
Paul

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Tuning time & arrow options, especially if you have several bows, should be one ingredient to look for in a rest.

Some find the fall-away very fast to tune as myself & there appears to be more arrow options & arrow set-ups that work well with them.

On a post a few days ago one said it appears several spines could be tuned with them?

But in my experience they need to be set to drop before the acceleration pressure on the bowstring comes to an end, 8-10” of the power stroke, depending on draw length.

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Update your rest with the Replacement for the B2 Biscuit (Brown/Black). You will really be surprised by the difference

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Although the new B2 biscuit works great, I had no problems with the old one. With the old one, I trimmed a few layers of bristles off the back (part facing archer). I then made sure I was shooting some durable vanes, like Bohning, that were properly glued. I could shoot these arrows all year without damage (if I didn't screw them up in other ways). At least the damage did not come from the biscuit. On the old biscuit, I also recommend taking it out of the slot and cutting a notch for easy arrow loading. There is already a cut in the bottom of the biscuit ring, so just snip a 1/2" section and spin to 10 o'clock when putting it back in the slot.

No need to change rests if you really want to enjoy the other advantages of full containment rest. This rest simply excels at keeping your arrow in shooting position, no matter if you're stalking or in a stand with the bow on your lap.

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I'm a proponent for basic simplicity in a hunting rig. The simpler it is, the less that can go wrong with it. You can't get much simpler than the biskit.

I'd definitely trash the old style biskit and update it with the new sideloader type. That sideloader design eliminated my second biggest objection to the WB. First biggest is still the 100% guaranteed fletching contact, but that's far easier to accept than the possibility of a rest malfunction during the shot of a lifetime.

Dropaways.... I MIGHT consider one for a dedicated 3D bow. No way I'd put one on a hunting bow.

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I put a small dub of glue on the leading edge of the fletching. That elimates fletching the damage.

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I shoot a drop away, i was thinking of a whisker but a fella told me after awhile that circle becomes an oval, from shootin it so much and messes up everything after that.

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I think tuning issues are the number one cause of fletching trouble with WB rests ! I haven't had any real trouble with the old or new WB rests !

But I would upgrade to a new B2 anyway if I were you ! They are very accurate and seem to cause no fletching wear ........none for me anyway !

I used feathers with no trouble and now I have been shooting Bohning vanes for 5-6 months ! I do fletch my on arrows and make sure they are glued well........and I add a dab of glue to the front and back of each fletch !

Here is a pic I took a couple of days ago of a 3 arrow group at 70 yrds......with 3 Axis 340's I have been shooting since April (I don't know how many hundreds of shots ) ! You can see that my fletching still look fine ! I'm using a Deluxe QS with the new B2 disk !! Good luck !

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Don't you guys lose alot of velocity with a WB compared to a muzzy Zero Effect? I tried the WB, and I was shooting 240fps. I changed over to a MZE, and gained 30fps. Alot of people call me a lier and say my bow wasn't tuned right with the WB. But I have proved it to a few people with their bows. I guess I can't understand getting a high dollar modern bow, that is a screamer, and putting on something that slows it down. I mean you could do with same with a 10 year old PSE or Bear.

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I would like to thank everyone that took the time to reply. I am going to replace the old disk with the new droptine model. That should only cost me about $10.00? I will see if that reduces the fletching wear problem? I also think the droptine is a upgrade. If I am happy with the results, I will stay with it? If not I will consider another rest.

Thanks again,

WK

RE: Drop away rest vs. Wisker bisket???
 

don't you think a nock, string loop,peep, string silencers, etc. slow your bow down also?

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I just switched to a new B2 deluxe from the VBG drop away. All I can say is this: the WB is alot easier to set up and tune, and my arrows fly like darts. I think drop aways let you get away with errors in your shooting form. If you torque the bow or don't hold on target after the shot, your arrows are going to drift!

Bill

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Bigcountry...........I have chrono'd 3 different bows with the original and new B2 WB !
I have shot feathers, vanes, straight, helical, ........you name it !! And the "most" speed I have lost has been 5 fps !!

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CBM, your the only one I have seen that hasn't lost speed. What are you comparing it against? Glad your satisfied.

Sho-me, yes they do slow you down. Thats the reason I try to keep them down to a min. No nocks, no peeps, and only string leeches, and kisser is all I need. And if have a real rock solid form, with great 3 point anchoring, you don't even need the kisser. but there are things like the WB, I just don't get. I mean a flipper button seems like a better choice, or cheap ol TM Hunter.

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Ya know, there truly ARE other things that many people find more useful than all out speed.

For instance, I know I'm probably giving up maybe 10-15 fps by shooting with a tab instead of a mechanical release. Know what? I don't care. I LIKE shooting fingers better than shooting a release. I could give a flying flip that 99% of the rest of the guys shooting compounds are using releases. I've done it, done pretty well with it, but it's just not my thang!

The guys using wb's want simplicity and secure arrow containment, and they are willing to sacrifice some speed to get it.

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Arthur's original post pretty much summed up my thoughts. I'm currently shooting a drop away on my 3-D bow. Haven't been for very long, but I've had no problems with it nor do I know of anyone who has. HOWEVER, the fact that it's accuracy or even simply it's ability to function depends on moving parts that must work the same every time, there's potential for it to fail eventually. Not something I want on my hunting bow.

I recently set up one of the new quick loading biscuits with the B2 bristles on my hunting bow. I think I gave up about 3 fps, but I can't see anyone loosing 30? Must be something seriously wrong there. Didn't notice any difference in my pin gap at all. I have noticed that Easton's factory vanes are a little on the soft side and even with the new softer bristles I'm about due to replace them. Feathers that will fold out of the way through the biscuit or stiffer aftermarket vanes should hold up just fine.

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BINGO! that's the point i was trying to make...there are lots of things that people put on their bows that will slow it down, but feel that the advantages of that piece of equipment out-weigh the loss in speed...same thing with the wb...i like the simplicity and containment of the rest. its a very good hunting rest and that's why i use it. plain and simple...

i do realize you're not bashing the wb. (at least you don't come across as such.) i understand your perspective, i'm just trying to get you to think about why we're using the wb. ;)

no offense, but i don't see why people think they have to eek out every last fps out of their set-up...what's the point?

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Fine, then, go simple, instead of something sticking on the side of the bow that hurts speed that doesn't have to be, get ya a centerfire flipper. Be simplistic. Hey, you guys sound like you like them. I was just trying to get someone to enlighten me on why they would want to put those on a bow. I mean I understand shooting fingers. Thats useful. Make shots quickly. No noise from releases. Don't worry about forgetting a release. But I see fellas with every gismo known to man on their string, crazy looking silencers on strings and limbs, a big ol bunch of pins on thier sites, and a WB to top it off on a 600 dollar bowtech. I sit there and shake my head. Maybe they figured out something I didn't.

My brother has one and loves it. I guess if your happy, and successful, nothing else matters. But he shoots a Carrera cranked up to 70lbs. He got a bow, thats made for speed, and slowed it down. For you hunters out there, who went and got the basic bow shooting at 250fps, I can understand, but for him shooting a bow meant for speed. By the way, I don't shoot that fast either. I shoot a PSE Mohave at 260 to 270fps.

Thanks for trying to explain even if it doesn't sink in.

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ugh...*shakes head*

and i was trying to answer you. :)

maybe. ;)

yup...

yup, again...

agreed. :D

lol, no problem, wish i could have helped out more... :D

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This is my take on the WB and the question of speed loss. I don't know why anyone evens mentions speed loss. It's insignificant and would not affect sight setting, even a little at hunting distances. I've even tried hard helicals and only lost 5 fps. Once again, not worth talking about. Only speed freaks who eek out every fps, regardless of what it means, would care about a couple fps. I once cut notches (for the vanes to pass through) on a trimmed biscuit and gained 2 fps over a conventional TM hunter style rest.

The true beauty of the rest, the area in which it excels, is in it's ability to have your arrow in shooting position at all times, no matter how you're holding your bow or what type of hunting you may be doing. If you bump a branch, no noise comes from the biscuit. The bristles act as a silencer for such bumps. It's sturdy, simple, has no moving parts and would be difficult to damange beyond use, in the field. As a target shooter or a 3-d rest, it brings nothing special to the table, but as a hunting rest, it simply excels at the things that are important to most hunters.

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Speed must mean something. I see everyone every year looking for the fastest bow. I don't see this 5fps you say. I see 30fps compared to a drop away. Maybe some guys from the proshop can pipe in. But Len from Baltimore (proshop) told me he saw it regularly too. Just trying to help you understand how it could come up. 5fps is no big deal but 30 is alot. That was when they first came out. I guess i am a simple man with simple needs that has success without a WB.

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Oh boy! And I told myself I wouldn't get caught up in this crap again.[&:] Guess I lied to myself.

30fps??? Who do you think your kidding here?
At the risk of his credibility I'm not sure Len would appreciate being drug into this arguement. NOBODY is going to see a 30fps speed difference between a drop away and the whisker biscuit with a properly tuned bow!!

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I like the simplicity of the WB, what I dont like is the noise the vanes make as they pass through the bristles. I shoot in a Techno-hunt league which is in an enclosed room, and well, all I can say is the WB's are loud! You can't hear the dropaways, but the WB's make a fsss sound everytime. Its very noticeable in an enclosed area!

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Late this spring, I took my bow over to a shop to chronograph some arrows. I was shooting a TM Hunter when I started shooting. With 440 gr. arrows, I was getting 263 fps consistently through the chrono. I tried out one of the new GKF Whisper Disk rests, and the speed dropped to 261 with the fletching aligned with the slots as best I could. When I purposely mis-aligned the fletch with the slots, the speed fell to 258 fps. Out of curiosity, I put on an untrimmed B2 Whisker Biscuit rest. The rest had been on the bow previously, so I knew if I lined up the rest bracket with the marks I had drawn on the riser, it still should be pretty well tuned. To my surprise, when shooting the same arrows, the speed was now 263 fps. Exactly the speed I was getting with the TM Hunter, which, BTW, was carefully checked for fletch contact. If you are seeing 30 fps difference in speed, then the bow wasn't tuned properly before the drop away was installed.;)

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I would like to add no matter how fast your bow shoots it will never be faster then the speed of sound. Your bow could shoot 400 fps and a deer will still jump the string. I laugh at it to often guys wanting to make their bows faster to give them a better chance against a deer jumping the string. I used to be like that too untill logic hit me like a ton of bricks I said to myself what the heck am I thinkin this makes no sense unless by some stroke of luck they would ever make a bow that shoots a arrow faster than 700 fps, Fast bows string slap is louder for obvious reasons.
So I decided to look at from a different perspective in which I have become a more successful bowhunter because of it. I decided Ok a bow that shoots atleast 240 fps is plenty velocity to send a arrow clean through a deer even with lighter arrows say 350 grain shaft and broadhead togther. I forgot about speed and started focusing on how to make a bow quieter when shot. Heres what I shoot A browning Eclipse SL single cam with a 31 inch draw and 2315 xx78 super slam shaft cut at 31 inches with a 100 grain hammerhead mechanical broadhead, spike 3 pin fiber optic sight, nap quick tune 800 rest, 8 inch X-ring Hydraulic, stableizer, SVL limb savers, asfar as string accessories I use Whisker style string silencers a kisser button and a rope style D-Loop. My release aid is a cobra caliper style release I know most of you laugh at cobra products but I got it on clearence at wal mart for 3 dollars and it works just as good as my free fletch which i payed 70 bucks for. My setup projects a almost 500 grain arrow at 237 fps and it shoots as quiet as my My grand daddies 40 lbs Bear recurve which I have had in posession for 10 years since his death. I can't complain I've killed more deer with this setup in two years then I did in the 6 years before, I believe I cured the problem to deer jumping the string.

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I owned bot hnodels of t he WB and liked how it shot....however, I recommend the drop away.

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I don't think people are worried about speed because of string jump. That's going to be an issue no matter how fast your bow is. Most are aware of that and know the importance of shooting a relaxed deer vrs an alert deer. Speed helps with judging yardarge. The faster the bow, the flatter the trajectory. You could be off by a few yards, or 10 if your bow is fast enough and still hit the kill zone of a deer. That's why 3-d shooters love speed so much, it ups thier scores because there is less variation between different yardages.

I know a few people with the WB, and have not seen that large of a speed drop. I don't doubt that it could happen, but I don't think it's the norm. They couldn't give these things away if that was the case. I haven't used a rest yet that changed my speed on a bow. And I have tried alot of rests. I mean they may change things a couple fps, but nothing that required me to change my pin gaps at any yardage.

Paul

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I can't imagine a 30 fps loss due to a WB. I put my Patriot through the chrono with the old WB and lost 2-3 fps. Any string silencers out there will slow you down more then a WB will. 30 fps is either a mistake or there was something terribly wrong elsewhere.

I haven't shot through a chrono with my new B2 disc yet but I expect the same or less........my pins are still dead on.


I have shot prong and drop away rests.........liked the drop away better of the 2 but neither one can compare with the WB for a hunting rest IMO.

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I thought about trying a WB, but I first wanted to try a dropaway....the QAD Ultrarest that Jeff B. was raving about. Glad I did, I love this rest and it also has full containment.

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Bowfanantic, I don't know if Len would mind or not. Thats not my concern, all I can do is report what he said while I had my bow there at his shop. There is nothing wrong with that. I usually don't believe much I read, So i tried it myself. And low and behold he wasn't too far off base. My brother said "so what" and kept it on his bow. I thought that was what these forums were for. No reason to get dirty about it. Its just the internet.

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bigcountry,

A severely out of tiller bow, with a real fat arrow incorrectly shot through a tight hole in a outsert carbon biscuit, from an inordinatey high nocking point, with the windage of the rest cranked all the way into the riser of the bow would probably lose 30FPS.

But in the real world, with people that will use the correct size biscuit, the correct spine arrows for the bow, take the time to set their bow at an even tiller and make sure the cams are in time, and the arrow is nocked at 90degrees to the bowstring, and that the rest is centered on the bow properly; zero or real close to zero speed loss with the whisker biscuit is the normal result.

You might want to change the battery in your chronograph.

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>

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I have to concur that an arrow losing 30 fps with the Whisker Biscuit, has something set up incorrectly. I've helped tune about 15 friend's bows with a WB, and none lost more than a few fps. In fact, with the new B2 Biscuit, if i saw a 5-6 fps loss, I'd be looking for a problem with the set up to correct.

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You guys might be right. I would like to perform the experiment again. Getting my bro to let me experiment with his bow before hunting season would be impossible. I did half a$$ the experiment. I admit that. I set up a very quick centershot and only used a arrow level for nock setup. Threw on the WB, and eyeballed, quick paper tune, and off thru the chrony. Since then, he has made several adjustments. For the record, I didn't see 30fps, I saw more like 22 on average but have seen simular experiements where it was up to 30fps max. And yes, my shooting chrony does get slightly different speeds depending on sunscreens, the sky color, or if I have scotch tape over the photocells. I realize I could be wrong. And even though alot on here are so sure of themselves, they can be too, and I bet are on a regular basis, even if they don't admit it. Nobody knows everything.

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Whisker biskits are simply IMHO the best hunting rest on the market today, bar none. You will only notice a difference of 4-6 fps speed loss over other rests and I concur with Straightarrow and others--- if you are really worried about that little bit add another crank to the limbs to compensate! Done![8D]

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It was mentioned that the drop away rest will eliminate problems with the shooters form. This may be true with field points, but with broad heads I have found that form always matters. I recently put a Muzzy Zero Effect drop away rest on my bow (I love it by the way) and my broad heads were grouping about 3 inches below my field points. Another archer walked over and I explained what I was doing. He watched me shoot one arrow and noticed that my wrist was dropping slightly on release. I concentrated on stiffening my wrist and my broad heads and field points now group in the same spot. Bottom line, form always matters.

As far as the WB, it is a very simple and effective rest. I have a friend who swears by them. I can see why some people prefer them.