Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
07-16-2004 | 11:33 AM
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Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
I am thinking of trying some cut on contact heads, either the montecs, muzzy phantoms or one of the steel force lines. I am most concrened with over all performance and "sharpenability".
DOes anyone have any past experience with any of these heads? Did they work well? How hard is it to sharpen them and keep them sharp?
any input is appreciated.
thanks
DOes anyone have any past experience with any of these heads? Did they work well? How hard is it to sharpen them and keep them sharp?
any input is appreciated.
thanks
07-16-2004 | 12:45 PM
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
I've shot Steelforce in the past, scary sharp, but have never tried to resharpen them.
Carbon sharpens easier supposedly, but is also more susceptible to oxidation.
From my recent experience sharpening thick Rocket stainless blades using fine grit wet/dry sandpaper, I wouldn't shy away from stainless at all.
Any reason you didn't mention Magnus Stingers?
Carbon sharpens easier supposedly, but is also more susceptible to oxidation.
From my recent experience sharpening thick Rocket stainless blades using fine grit wet/dry sandpaper, I wouldn't shy away from stainless at all.
Any reason you didn't mention Magnus Stingers?
07-16-2004 | 12:47 PM
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
I like the Magnus Stingers, they fly great, extreemly sharp out of the box, and you can get replacement blades, one set for hunting and another for targets/tuning. They also have a lifetime warranty.
07-16-2004 | 12:50 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
magnus shapen easyly and are cut on contact , that would be my choice . You can shoot them for practice , leave them screwed on the arrow and just sharpen them .
07-16-2004 | 12:51 PM
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
Don't discount Magnus, either the Stingers or even the Snuffers if you want really big holes. Stingers are razor sharp out of the package, and very easy to touch up. I use the recommended Accusharp and can get them razor sharp again with just a few strokes. They also fly very well. Cut on contact can be very, very effective heads. Do a search here or on other sites.
Also, Maguns has a lifetime, unconditional guarantee on their heads. You shoot a brick wall, just send it back for replacement, no questions asked. Really.
The others mentioned are good heads as well, but I have no personal experience with them.
Also check out 5 shots broadhead reviews. Very infomative.
http://www.broadheadtests.com/
Enjoy,
JMAC
Also, Maguns has a lifetime, unconditional guarantee on their heads. You shoot a brick wall, just send it back for replacement, no questions asked. Really.
The others mentioned are good heads as well, but I have no personal experience with them.
Also check out 5 shots broadhead reviews. Very infomative.
http://www.broadheadtests.com/
Enjoy,
JMAC
07-16-2004 | 01:09 PM
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
I am not so much concerned with the material as i am the geometry of the blades. I am not a great sharpener so i am looking for the easiest to sharpen. i am leaning towards the Montec and using their sharpener.
I considered the Magnus Snuffer as a fourth choice but i didnt want to have to deal with the adapters
I considered the Magnus Snuffer as a fourth choice but i didnt want to have to deal with the adapters
07-16-2004 | 01:29 PM
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
It's ironic, cause out of the heads you mention, Montecs seem to get the rap of being harder to get really sharp. The rest are out of the box sharp, and not much effort to re-sharpen once used for practice. Like magnus recommends, you can get pretty sharp using a simple accusharp that basically just pull across the blades a few times.
However, if you go with the Montecs, you should find this useful-
However, if you go with the Montecs, you should find this useful-
I have decided to use the Montec broadheads this year, like many others on this board. But The whole sharpening process, while seemingly simple has never produced the edge that I have strived to attain. Well tonight I stumbled upon a darn near foolproof method to get these things scary sharp. The first thing, is that you do not need the diamond stone that they recomend. I dumped $30 for a diamond stone at Lowes this weekend, only to find out that I could not get a decent edge using it. Here is my approach:I started with the heads right out of the tube.Get a new flat piece of 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper, lay it on a flat surface and begin to sharpen the head as they recomend (push the head, point first, away from you). Keep stroking the same side until all of the side to side tooling marks have been removed from the blade edges and have been replaced with a very fine pattern of lines running front to back.Repeat for the other 2 sides of the broadhead. It took between 10 and 15 strokes per side to make all of the original lines disappear. Now change to a piece of 2000 grit wet/dry sandpaper and lay it down on the table and repeat the previous process. For this step the fine lines left by the 600 girt paper will be replaced by a near mirror edge on the blades. Keep stroking until the entire length of the blades is highly polished. As you work the blades, a gray streak will develop down the paper. Keep stroking over this stripe. As the grit fills up, it effectively becomes a lower and lower grit, putting a better edge on the blades. It took me about 5 minutes per head, and the result was all of them ending up sharp enough to shave the hair off my arm.
07-16-2004 | 01:30 PM
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RE: Cut on contact heads - Montec, Phanton, Steel force
I've been shooting Zwickeys my entire bowhunting career (all of 12 years now) and they have never once let me down. However, now that I'm shooting a faster and smaller bow (Vipertec) I'm concerned about their flight characteristics at longer ranges. Not due to the broadhead design itself, but my ability to glue the head onto the adapter perfectly straight. Not to mention the weight of the 2 blade is somewhere in the neighborhood of 140 grains after glue and insert. So needless to say, I've been debating what to switch to this year as well. The Montecs look nice, but I'm still not too keen on what I've heard about their resharpenability. Plus I like a 2 blade design over a 3 blade. I've been looking hard at all the heads on the market and I'm starting to lean towards the Magnus heads. They seem to be one of the best solidly built heads out there, and judging from the looks of them they will be able to be sharpened in the same manner as my Zwickeys. I bought a sharpener a few years back that is shaped like a "V" with a file on either side that you just run the head across. I have a set that has actual files, a set with stones, and finally one with leather stropes. I was able to get my Zwickeys sharp enough to shave the hair on my arm, which was plenty good for me.
By the way - isn't the Nuge Blade made by Magnus? I've been looking at those as well.
By the way - isn't the Nuge Blade made by Magnus? I've been looking at those as well.
