Great article on Broadhead sharpness
 

Posted by Derbytown over at AT-

http://www.buckmasters.com/Buckmaste...arpFactor.html

I'm thinking about emailing this to Rocket... :)

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Man, that was a good article. I've never heard it explained that way, but it sure makes sense. May have to give that a try this year.

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I call bullsh[:o]t on both scenarios..............

Maybe the double lunger - but NOT the center punched heart................Sorry

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Would that mean that an expandable just scares the living sh!t out of a deer causing them to run further?

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I agree good article and you should never take for granted that factory blades are sharp. I personally don't like mech's. But does anyone know of a comparison between the cut on contact broadheads, fixed, and I guess the mech's. I'am talking about studies that when it comes deer bleeding out without being aware that they been hit.

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I argee with Rack , on the 2 senarios , but there is merit to the rest of what this guy says . I to have shot an animal with a scary sharp magnus , at 10 yards ,and wondered if I missed , because all it did was lift its head , and keep walking slowly , for about 10 yards that is , where it layed down and died . Perfect double lung shot .

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You'd get more response if you sent it to a hammer.:eek:

Love the heads, but Rocket, IME is not a very "friendly" company. I've seen some return emails they have sent to folks, and they were downright rude. [:@]

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21 degrees?????, he must be crazy, I've heard of guys here on the board who can get their three bladed broadheads sharp enough by just using a flat stone or file hitting two blades at a time.

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OK, I'll call BS on that one for you Rack.

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3 out of six of the deer I took with 3 blade swing open mechanicals walked away with little idea of what happened to them.

So I would say they do not "scare" deer into running further

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I admit I was left scratching my head and muttering expletives on the center heart/lung shots...

I think a big part of how the deer reacts is based on it's state of mind pre-shot, and whether or not you hit ANY bone.

I shot a doe with a 1" cd scary sharp Steelforce 4 blade 2 years ago. She had wondered by my stand looking like she hadn't a care in the world, certainly didn't have a clue I was around. She bounded away a bit, then stopped to look around like "what the ____ was that" and fell over dead. When dressed and skinned, I had missed ribs going in and out, nothing but both lungs. She must not've read the article. :)

The doe I shot last year with a 1.5" cd standard sharp Rocket meteorite ran like a bat out of hell for 50 yards straight out into a picked corn field before dropping on the run and doing a sommersault. She had been nervous just before the shot and knew something wasn't right (questionable stand placement by my brother-in-law, bless his heart). When dressed and skinned, I had missed ribs going in, but center punched one coming out. I also got heart and both lungs, which is another thing. In my anecdotal experience, deer shot in the heart run as long as possible, possibly because it's harder to miss ribs when doing so, which is why I prefer to only hit lungs if at all possible.

I think bone hit and attitude come into play a bunch. Plus, the author was using 2 blade heads, which exponentially increase your odds of slipping between the ribs.

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I have read that thing a few times...then looked at the top of the page to see it was a BUCKMASTER article..........LOL[:-][:o]

The same outfit that tried to sell me a vacume cleaner............now pushing bh sharpeners:(

YES sharp broadheads are important........but at what point is it overkill.....and has no effect on bh performance.


30 yrd average??? Unless he has many spine shots thrown in there I don’t buy it. Or is he so lucky that his 2 blade bh always misses ribs and they walk off for 30 yds. If they are walking is it his super sharp heads or the fact that he shoots 2 blades???

A deer running will cover 30 yds in about 4 seconds……….they don’t die that quick on average.

I call bull on the double lung, and center punched heart survivors……I call bull on the 30 yd average drop.

That’s 3 easy bulls in one article….IMO….he has an agenda…he is selling something.

Most double lung / heart shot deer die in about 20 seconds or less. That’s about 100yds or less travel time. Coagulation is not a major factor in this time frame – there just is not enough time for the cells to respond and release the proteins needed to start coagulation.

I also feel there is a ceiling effect when it comes to bh sharpness. There is a point where it just doesn’t make a difference.

Yes Rockets are the some of the least sharp blades on the market…..but IMO they will kill a deer just as dead and in the same time frame as the same head super sharpened.

Dull is bad….Sharp is good. But super sharp is not needed to the extent this guy states.

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What are you doing, trying to single handedly ruin the economy or something?

:D

Remind me to never ask you about deer scents... :)

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LOL..........:D

I just don't like the way its turning...........I don't like the gimickery I see......the lies.....the propaganda.....

I am all for advances and technology in this sport...........but not when one has to "invent" the problem before he "invents" the solution.

Whats worse is that the "industry" insults you and me every time theymake their "claim", then sit back and wait for us to run............

The amount of crap thats being sold for bowhunting is astonishing.

Its a Simple sport, against a simple animal. Technology can't change that.

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I agree with rack! 90% of whats in magazines and on TV outdoor shows is just gimicks on what you really don`t need![:'(] every thing is commercialize these days. If a dollar can be made? Someone will try to make it! by creating some crapy gimick that attracks hunters in beleaving that if you by my product your going to be a very succesfull![:'(] We have all bought into these type gimmicks from time to time to find out most of this type crap we never needed to begin with. I fell for a lot of the old stuff back in the early 80`s but it does`t compair to today! Open any hunting mag, or watch any hunting TV show most is advertising on the latest and greatest gimicks.

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First off, I still consider myself a newbie to archery. But

"The heart-shot doe was shot later by a rifle hunter, also two years after an arrow passed through the CENTER of her heart. She too was healthy and fat, showing no evidence of ills due to the 6-inch section of aluminum shaft still in the center of her heart."

Dang, she's walking around with an aluminum shaft in her heart. (Where is the BH at this time??) Everytime her heart beats she still has the shaft in her heart.

Sounds to me like some one is trying to put the shaft in my pocketbook, lol.

Yes, it is VERY IMPORTANT to have a very sharp bh. But how the heck did the Indians every kill anything with their fixed bh's??

As always some good points though.

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He makes some good points, but those two examples of recovered deer require a person to make some pretty major assumptions. He has no way of knowing if the broadheads recovered from those deer were sharp or not when they hit the deer. It's ridiculous to assume that they were dull. It would be just as accurate to assume that the people who shot those deer were left handed, and that those recovered deer were proof that left-handed people shouldn't hunt.

And please, an animal shot through the center of it's heart is not going to survive. I don't care if the broadhead was dull as a brick.

My BS detector is pegged.

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Well said my friend, very well said!

I was listening to a conversation one time between two bowhunters. They were discussing broadheads when the one guy mentioned a particular brand of broadhead. The other gentleman emphasised that those particular broadheads were not very sharp. The first guy turned and looked him in the eye and said "your talking to a guy that has killed deer with a flint on the end of his arrow, those broadheads are plenty sharp!"

For me that put a whole new perspective on the subject. Perhaps everybody has their own definition of what sharp is. After being banged around in a quiver for a few days or weeks and exposed to the elements even the blades that were shaving sharp lose that edge with no other contact. They may cut hair but not shave hair. If shaving hair is the definition of a sharp head, I would be willing to bet that more deer are killed with "dull" heads than there are with sharp ones.

It is alarming to see the power of the dollar in our sport (I don't even like to use that term "sport". It is more like a way of life for so many of us.).
Quality products are one thing, but when a person compromises their beliefs to the highest bidder to make a buck off of inferior product it is frightening.

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I say BS too on the heart, double lung shots and not dead........no wayyyyyyyy!!!!!

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I figured it out. The deer were killed around 3 mile Island and had 2 hearts and 4 lungs each...

It could happen.

:)

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I have probably killed well over 30 deer with my bow and used all kinds of broadheads that were sharp. I would say the average distance they run is around 60 yards a few of them maybe around 30 yards. So if this guy is trying to say his average kill is with in 30 yards he must be shooting them while tied to a 30 yard piece of rope. I call BS

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Yep..that pretty much speaks for itself don't it?:eek:

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After Rack Attacks comments what more need be said other than buckmasters.

Number one all this will do is fool the foolish into buy more of what they should already have enough of. Doesn't evryone have the tools already to sharpen their bh's?

Number two is that this will give gun hunters and anti's more fuel to throw onto their own fire. This time instead of making it up or finding it on their own it was published in a hunting mag for all the world to see how unethical and unresponsible hunters are portraid to be by some of the biggest names in theirb own industry.

I hope all this made sence and I didn't get to far out on the wing.

As for the examples before I would believe anything even romately close to total fabrications such as these I would have to see with my own eyes then I would have a hrad time trusting what I would be seeing as was well put before bulls[:@]t on both of those.

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So you all seem to agree this guy is mostly full of BS.
You also seem to agree that Sharp Broadheads are important and some store brands are not necessarily sharp enough.

So my question is, how do most of you sharpen your broadheads?
I've used the crappy BH sharpener from Walmart that only seems to dull my blades and would like some unbiased opinions.

Also...
Flint and Obsidian blades have an edge 1 molecule wide which is hundreds of times sharper than a surgeon's scalpel.

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It's not all BS... just the stories about the deer that were found w/ arrows through heart and lungs. The rest of the artical is really good... the tools used to sharpen the heads are right on...

I think for what they're charging for broadheads now a days.. they should all come scary sharp. But for some reason that's not the case.

I find it amazing how many people can't even sharpen a knife... let alone a razor blade.

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:raises hand:

That would be me :eek:

My father used to say I could tear up an anvil :D

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JeffB... my dad said the same thing... closest I ever came was when I broke a sledge hammer.

But I can sharpen a knife and broadheads.

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Come on you guy cannot actually believe that an animal could survive with an arrow through the center of its heart/lungs and never removed to top it off, and live for two years with no ill effects. That must have been some vehicle that killed these two SUPER deer (hunters beware). If the initial trauma didn't kill it surely the secondary infection would. Do you know anyone who has or would survive an injury of this nature without prompt medical attention? Their has to be some PHD types out their to elaborate on this. Think about the less then perfect shots that still manage to kill rather quickly. Two perfect shots with the arrow still in the organ and the anilmal walks away unscathed? Anyone seen Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny lately, not me?