New user with peep questions
 

I'm new to posting, so we'll see how this go's. I was wondering what peoples opinion are regarding shooting peeps with or without rubber tubing. I have had a cybertec about a year. This was the first bow I ever used a peep sight on. I am currently using rubber tubing, but it seems like the only noise my bow makes is from the rubber tubing. I do not shoot a zebra twist string. If I go to a "no tubing peep" will I experience string twist etc?? Is it that much of a problem? How about with a zebra twist string?

Dan

60# Cybertec
terminator arrows
NAP mechanical broadheads (pending)
Formerly - Oneida H-250 (the original)

RE: New user with peep questions
 

you can and will most of the time experience twist ,even with a Zebra or a Winners Choice, but they twist less. Go to a loop type release aid on your string with a peer aligner andthe problem is solved, something like either of these.


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RE: New user with peep questions
 

Get a winners choice , or vapor trail , string and a fletcher true peep in the 3/16s inch size and you will gain speed , lose allot of noise [compared to the rubber band setup] and have an excelent sight picture , that will work in low light .

RE: New user with peep questions
 

I've gone back to the tubing. I like a large apeture peep and I want it aligned perfect. I've had more problems in critical hunting situations with peep alignment when not using a tube. Either it doesn't align right or on the types that split the string three ways the string interferes with the sight picture. Maybe play with the length of the tubing, really shouldn't make much noise.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

I've used both styles and currently have a C-Peep that aligns with tubing. To be honest these types of "opinion" questions are tough because everyone is going to have their own preference. In this case you might just want to go out and purchase a peep setup opposite of what you currently have. It isn't that much of an investment and you still have time to switch back to your original peep prior to season if you don't like the self aligning version.

Good luck,
MD Piney

RE: New user with peep questions
 

Get rid of the peep sight and go with the NO-PEEP.It will extend your hunting time in low light conditions and will also show any torque or variations in your form--if used properly you will anchor the same on every shot.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

My thoughts exactly. High quality aftermarket string + string loop + fletcher tru-peep= no problems :D

I've been shooting this kind of set-up exclusively for the past 4 years without an issue once the string was shot in (and depending on the string maker and length of string, sometimes they never creep at all from day one).

RE: New user with peep questions
 

No - peep. If I remember correctly, is that device that attaches to the riser and serves as a "rear sight" just behind your sight pins? Also, i have always used a Kisser button so anchor points are not a real problem for me. Thaks for the info

RE: New user with peep questions
 

The NO-PEEP is a sighting aid--the hindsight is the one that is used with your pins to aim.I've tried the hindsight and prefer the NO-PEEP by far.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

I had the same problem you did with the rubber tubing peep. I got a peep ( the manuf. slips me at the moment) that splits the string three ways and a tru nock and never had any more trouble with it. Curently I am using a hind sight and love it ; I seem to be in the minority for that but thats ok to;), but that helped more than the new peep.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

Stopped today and looked at the "no peep". Seems like it may add some weight and take a little geting used to, but I may give it a try. The concept seems realistic. However, I wonder how it is in low light?

Also to BenfromVa, what is the benefit of a peer aligner?

RE: New user with peep questions
 

Personally I currently use the 3 grove 3/16" Shurz-A-Peep and keep it inline with a ultra-nok II, Although aloop would work just as well. The reason I don't like the peep's with rubber tubing is they seem to fail when you need them most. I've tried three different types in the past and all with the same result, They break! It may be because of the amount of shooting, the major temperature changes we get, or getting caught on a bush. No matter, the way I see it the less parts to a peep the less chance of something going wrong.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

Thanks for the advice. A local archery shop is going to let me set up a new peep anbd try it ontheir range to see how I like it. If that does not seem to fit, I'll go with the peep aligner and new string, even though I hate the thought of spending that much money for a winner's choice. I thought by buying one of these "new fangled" expensive bows, all these problems go away. No way, the accessories are where they really hit your wallet.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

There are a lot of TOP quality string makers out there just as good or better than Winners Choice, and at about half the price. Shop around. Do a search here or on archerytalk.com and you will find the good string makers.

JMAC

RE: New user with peep questions
 

Well I finally convinced myself to go with the "no - peep" today. Brought my bow to the shop and was ready to spend the $40. Even had the owner agree if I did not like it, I could return it. Unfortunately, it does not fit the Tec risers on the Hoyt. At least not the standard version. The shop owner was going to check and see if they had an adapter for the tec risers. Had to do though because I could no longer stand the slapping of the rubber band on my peep sight. So I picked up a fletcher true peep and a string loop with peep aligner. I am getting a little twist, but I can still see my pins. Also I am still using my factory string, haven't gone to a winner's choice yet. First I want to see what the outcome is with the no - peep and the Cybertec. Either way, removing the rubber band peep has made a noticeable difference in noise. Thanks.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

I would never use a rubber band or peep again. I love my no peep. It is great in low light situations and now I can shoot w/ both eyes open. I have an eye dominance thing and my peep blurred out on me. With the no peep, I picked up a few fps, and also I can see my entire target and shooting area quickly and clearly.
There are some drawbacks to the No Peep. It is tough to see the interior circles if you have a light or the sun behind you. You can also "make" the no peep line up even if you are not in your normal form. If you twist your wrist here or lower/raise your head there, you can make it line up. When you do that, usually your shot will be a little off. The no peep is not a total cure but overall I like it and will never go back.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

Get slapped in the eye w/ peep tubing and you'll never use that crap again.

I use a true peep and after getting everything set.. it comes around perfect EVERY time. If you have issues w/ this for some reason.. then I'd shoot one of the old sure-z-peep (spell?) that divides the string into 3 or 4 strands... and it doesn't matter how it comes back.

But I'd take the time to get the string broke in.. and get everything twisted so that it comes back perfect... it does take a little bit of time w/ the bow press.. but well worth not having the aggrevation of having the peep come back perfect on that once in a lifetime shot.

RE: New user with peep questions
 

This should take care of any peep rotation problems:
"The answer to peep rotation:
http://www.bowmancustomstrings.com/h...p_rotation.htm
1. The very first thing an archer must understand is that all strings will settle. That is, it will stabilize into a position where it will have the least amount of stress or potential for movement. Never draw the bow without an arrow nocked.
After installing the peep on a new string, make note of which way the peep is facing. This position you will use as your guide. Now, without trying to aim, nock an arrow, point it safely at the target butt and release. You should notice that the peep has changed position. This will happen regardless of who made the string set you purchased. The string is becoming seated and on it’s way to settling. When bought, a new string is placed from a relaxed attitude to the highest continuous kinetic stress of any modern material. It must change. The string will creep, however slight and compress on itself because of the flex from the limbs. This is what the cause of peep rotation is all about. The stress of the bow will move the string to its’ most stable mode after all the shots have had their effect. Most manufacturers recommend that a string should be shot a couple of hundred times before it could be considered settled. This article will show you an easier way. Your peep is your guide and also your tool to knowing for yourself when a string has settled rather than guessing from shot quantity.
2. The bow must be shot until there is no movement from the peep. This is where the archer will know that the string has settled.
After you have shot the required number of times, you’ll notice the peep will be in exactly the same position after shooting no matter how many times shot. It could take as little as a dozen shots or as many as a few hundred. Regardless of the amount, the string WILL settle. This is the time to go to the next step. You have a constant to work with now. Bear in mind that this constant is a relative term as your string has already so much twist over its’ length.
3. Draw the bow slowly (nocked) and watch how the peep moves as the string goes through the draw cycle. This is the indicator. The archer then knows what to do with the peep.
After drawing the bow and watching which way the peep moved, you must place it in the bow press.
If your peep rotates from right to left, you will have to take the string off the lower post (finger/centre serving side for Solo cam bows) and turn it from right to left. How much you turn will depend on how much the string rotates through the draw cycle. The string is doing what it wants to do. All you do is help it go where it wants. This is very important. For a half turn rotation, turn the string a half turn. Draw and shoot the bow a number of times to re-settle the peep. If it still does not roll into your eye view, repeat the process or even try an additional full turn. Always shoot the bow a number of times the re-settle the peep before checking for position. If it rotates too far, turn the string back a half turn at a time. Never do more than a half to a full turn at a time because you are close to where the string wants to be at rest. Too many turns gives a settled string much more than it wants to do. I describe it this way to make it easier to visualize. Always, a little at a time will give much better results.
4. If the peep sits exactly opposite to the position desired the next step is quite simple. The archer then just flips the peep to face him/her.
Flipping the peep requires you to go to the bow press again. You don’t have to relax the string completely. Relax only enough to be able to get the peep out and turn it a half turn. Remember that each time the bow is in the press, it has to be shot to re-settle.
5. Sometimes the archer will notice that the peep sits at ¾ of the way no matter what he does. At this point the archer knows he is so close any post or peep movement is too much.
If you can’t seem to get the peep in the right place no matter what is done, you are almost at its’ optimum position. Any post or peep adjustment that is too far and you haven’t yet pulled your hair out is the time to flip strands. This step requires the most care and you go back to the bow press. Relax the string again as in the previous step. Look carefully at the direction of the string twist (all bowstrings MUST have twist and never buy one without). For example, if the normal twist of the string is from right to left and your peep must move to the left an 8th of a turn, give or take, do this. On the face of the peep facing you most, take 2 strands from the left side and flip them to the right side. On the opposite face, take 2 strands from the right side and flip them to the left side. This will pull the peep over to the direction you want. If you want to move it slightly the other way, just do the same steps in the opposite direction. I chose 2 strands for simplicity but there is no set number. The more strands means more movement. This last step is done only when all the previous steps were done first. Draw and shoot the bow a number of times to re-settle the string.
This system for taming peep rotation is also effective for archers using string loops. The only difference is that the string loop must be turned as well and more care taken to allow the string its’ movement. Remember: always let the string go where it wants and let it finish what it wants to do.
There you have it. This method does work and it must be done properly. An archer may have to play with this a couple of times as string quality varies tremendously from one manufacturer to the next. It is my experience that in a short time, sometimes as quick as a half hour, you are freed of those loud, clumsy string additions that slow a bow down by as much as 10 - 20 ft per second.
Peep rotation can be a headache. If an archer slows down and follows a set system of steps, then he can enjoy and explore his potential with much more confidence and pleasure."
Hope this helps. Be safe.
Shoot Straight
Derbytown :D

RE: New user with peep questions
 

i have tried numerous peeps and fou nd the master peep to be the best. clamps to the string and you do not have to mess with the string. you can use with a bungee type aligner(not rubber) or without. either way very quiet. if you mount it and upon draw it twists you just rotate a little and reclamp it down. very reliable and nice sight window.hope this helps

RE: New user with peep questions
 

I used a rubber peep for a couple weeks. It came loose and snapped back at me a couple times. I took it off in fear of losing my eye.