I looked at one back in Dec. and I'll fall back on what I said then !!

Nice bow, balanced well , smooth draw cycle (better than my Outback but not a "whole" lot) !!

Well I finally shot one yesterday and have to say the camo looked a lot better than the one's I looked at in Dec. !! It was pretty quiet ! It didn't have any kick and stayed stable in my hand through the shot !!

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But man .......I was really suprised at the hand shock !! Nothing a good stabilizer couldn't tame........but much more than I expected !!

It was a bare Liberty with just a hush kit , string loop, and a WB B2 QS deluxe !!

Are they all like that or could this one have a timing issue or something........I mean bare bow to bare bow.......it is a significant difference over my Outback !!

CBM, my thoughts exactly. I was really taken back by that. It does seem to have a more pronounced "shock" than some of the others I shot. Yes, a stab will take care of it. When I shot it, it seemed to want to "jump" out of my hand too much.

Its a great, great bow though. Quiet and smoother than any bow I've shot.


I'd shoot one in a heart beat if I was still looking for a bow and the Xtec didn't exist.

So what are we talking about here? The way I interpreted CBM's post he felt that the bow had alot of vibration at the shot. The way I am interpreting MM's post the bow had alot of recoil.

Which is it?...or was it each for each of you gentleman?

If the bow had recoil then I would be willing to bet it was a timing issue. A quick check of the cam timing marks should help to determine that. If it was vibration then I would question where the vibrablocks were mounted on the limbs. That can have a signficant difference on the shot feel of the bow.

I am not entirely surprised in CBM's case though when considering the two bows being compared. I believe the mass weight and mass weight distribution comparison between the two bows in question is the answer to the perceived difference in shot feel.

I was talking about handshock.........not re-coil ! "A lot" is not the right word maybe..........but more than I would have expected out of a VFT style bow !

But now that you mention it........I think the vibra-blocks were all the way up by the limb pockets ! If they are farther back up the limb......does it make much of a difference ??

CBM,

Handshock = Vibration or are we talking about some other characteristic here?

Let me answer your last question with a question. Did you ever put a pair of limbsavers down by the limb pocket?

I am a bit perplexed with this one though not for the reason you may think. I have been placing the vibrablocks up close the limb forks because that is where I notice the most effectiveness. However, all of the Bowtech bows are shipped with the vibrablocks close to the limb pockets and I was under the understanding that this was simply for the shipping process.....yet I also saw something recently which suggested that they should be placed near the limb pockets to increase affectiveness.

I guess this means that it is time to experiment again.

Vibration in then grip and the palm of my hand (I guess I call that handshock)........noticable.....about like my Ultra 2 was..........far from what my Outback is like !!

The vibrablocks were probably about an inch above the limb pockets !!

Frank.

We must have been watching the same TV show cause I seen that too and did experiment on my BK.

I moved them down to the pockets and the bow had a slight buzz (for the want of a better word) in my hand so I started to move them back up the limb and 1" at a time the higher I went with them the buzz decreased until I got them back into the spot I originally had them with no buzz at all.

Its tough to make a fair comparison - bare bow to bare bow.

I have found Vibration to be due to a few things.

A bow backed off in poundage tends to vibrate more.

Whats on the string is real important. take the Mathews rubber string stops off and install Bowtechs hush kits on it - would be a more fair comparison.

I still think leaches work better than the stock kit on Bowtech.

Add enough weight to the Liberty so it weighs the same as the Outback would also be a better comparison.

A bow with a longer DL will vibrate more than one of the same with shorter DL.

I have found both bows to be very "vibration free"

Rack........not trying to bash the Liberty.......it is a nice bow !

BTW- Poundage was maxed

Do you think the string supressors take some of the vibration going through the riser ? I guess I have just thought of them affecting string noise !!

Weight- I know what your saying........but at the same time......that is one of the cheif complaints about the Outback !!

Shot a 29" Liberty.........my Outback is a 30" !

My reason to buy my frist Bow in 10 years is mostly for speed alone. Thus thinking Bowtech Patriot or such; could you please tell me what the settings on the vibrablocks, could or may have on the speed of the bow if any, it appears when a bow is test shoot they have nothing on them but an knocking point?