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Whisper Creek Archery, Inc.
3505 Adkisson Road
Suite 109
Cleveland, Tennessee 37312
(423) 421-3186
Email: [email protected]
WWW: www.whispercreekarchery.com

they look like some nice bows....

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They look almost identical to a PSE bow.

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Well they definitely get the award for most trademarks in one bow model!:eek:;)

I'll check them out a little closer when I get a chance....Those pockets look interesting? and I assume they must have some dampening stuff in the cam cutouts?

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Matt,go back and check out the cams a little closer.The idler and cam is actually 3 pieces, the best that I can tell, and the middle piece is some kind of composite.Looks and sounds like they are describing plastic to me but I am not sure about that.The best I could tell,the same holds true for the cam.


I am also not a fan of fiberglass limbs or high reflex.



I am sure that this is a fine product and would love to try it for myself before I pass judgement but I really have my doubts that it would be for me.

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Check it out.


www.whispercreekarchery.com/suspension.html#Cam

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Look's a little interesting.

nubo

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Definitely some interesting limb pockets and cam/idler system. I would love to give one a go just to see how it sounds and shoots.

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Agreed

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Looks like some real innovation going on at Whisper Creek. It's nice to see a company look at things differently. It appears they are relying heavily on this new baffler material they are using to absorb vibration. I like the concept of that actuator/bow strut thing. It must come in different configurations because they say you can order the brace height and ATA that you prefer. I'm not sure that I'm too crazy about the roller guard . They say the limbs are made with braided fiberglass and are "absolutely indestructable". Has anyone ever heard of braided fiberglass?

The warranty seems too good. They guarantee against string wear! Apparently this new "baffler" material is much less abrasive then metal. This may be the most intrigueing bow I've seen come to market, in a long time. Anybody shot one?

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I've never heard of this braided material either. I will say the limbs look unusually wide.

I'd love to shoot it, but I can already see it way too short of a sight window for me to ever consider purchasing one to fool around with:(

I remember Jerid Strasheim & Kevin Strother commenting on it at the ATA show, but for the life of me I cannot remember what they said about it...so many bows, so little time:(;)

I wonder how much that extra weight at the limb tips (not only from the limbs but also from all the baffling material in the cams) will slow the bow down?

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Click on the TR series bow link. In one spot they say Zebra Twist strings, when you enlarge the bow pic, it says Winners Choice?[&:]

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I spoke at length with the owner on Sat.

Some very ineresting stuff and some nice plans for the future.

I have the 33" A-A 9" brace 296 IBO coming in for test in a week or two:D

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Cool Rack.

Did by any chance you talk about the strength/composition of this baffling stuff?

Reason I ask is thusly

If the baffling material sandwiched inbetween the cam and idler is soft or pliable in the least, it's going to be very hard to have a consistent shooting bow.

E.g. One of the most crucial factors in a single cam design is having a perfectly round idler. If the idler is not perfectly round the nock point will not return to the same point at brace height after every shot (becuase the idler turns during the shot and does not return to the same spot..mark your idler and you'll see what I mean). If the material wears at any point or is not perfectly round to begin with, it's gonna be trouble. Now double that problem due to the fact the cam is also "filled" with this material.

I've had two onecam bows with this problem before..one idler was actually out of round, and the other was drilled slightly off center (in effect causing the same problem). Since my nock point was constantly varying I could never get either of these bows to group for more than a few shots...they would shoot a few good arrows, and then as the nock point position changed, so did POI and tune..arrows would start walking up the target and then back down..as the nock point got too low then the side to side variation came into play as the arrow crashed into the rest. Very frustrating to say the least. I was nearly in tears trying to get those bows to shoot consistently.

I'm curious to see about this material, and it's longevity.

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As techno as this bow appears, I am more than a little surprised that they did not utilize hybrid can technology.

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I was told he brought etchers to the show - to proove the material was very hard and would not wear. As to its "roundness" I do not know.

He does db testing and states he is right there with Mathews.

parallel limbs next year.

Priced right with the top 3 - of not cheaper

He had WC strings - but found a higher noise level with them.

In the works:)

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Interesting. Looking forward to hearing your experience with the bow.:) I'm not one much for "radical" deviations from the norm, but this one interests me.

Uhm...With all those gizmos and shock absorbers he hasn't surpassed them? Whats the point then?;)

Seriously, most companies do DB meter testing with competitors products(among other tests). I've even sent one of my non-BowTech bows to the factory for them to test this year. Interesting when the ears are not the judge what the results actually are.

Good idea..in combo with..

should allow him to retain speeds while making for a softer shooting bow.

I hope cheaper. From a business perspective, it's tough for a small new company (especially one with a "radical" concept) to sell many bows if there is not a "price break" of sorts. IME archers are leery of paying top dollar for a "unproven" design, regradless if it's a fair price or not for the level of craftsmanship & cost. I know for me I'd be willing to give one a go without having tried it for 5 bills, but I doubt I'd pay 7 bills or so for it considering it's "newness"

I thought that was common knowledge?

Did you order direct Rack, or did you go through your dealer?

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Thats now one and the same......:D:D

I am 99% sure they are priced cheaper than the big 3

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Did you partner up and/or open a shop? Is that what all the range target talk was about?

If so, way cool! I wish you much success!:)

You'll have to let me know where it be. I've never been to the island, but I may have to make it down there to meet ya, and check the place out!

EDIT: Hell, I'll even throw a few $ your way for some string silencers or G-nocks or something ;)

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They need to fix either their typo, or misinformation on the "Truth About Noise" page...

http://www.whispercreekarchery.com/noise.html

That should be 20,000 Hz or 20kHz. People and most animals hear 2000 Hz just fine.

Now there's a claim that begs to be proven. It takes some fairly involved measuring devices to analyze real high-freq (20kHz+) sounds with any degree of accuracy.


Acutally, 3dB reduction is half power. If you double the acoustical power, you will get a increase of 3dB in the sound level. Conversely, if you cut in half the acoustical power, there will be a 3dB decrease in the sound level.

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Yup - see my post in bowhunting forum:D

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Well Hellfire Son! Now I can just go down and shoot yours!:D

Awesome news Chuck! Congrats.:)

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Black Frog,

All I can say is that you either know your stuff or bluff at it real well, either way you won't be getting any argument out of me:D

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:D He knows his stuff - I can verify the 3dB claim......

the High frequency stuff - I won't argue either:D

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;)

I deal with the sound industry almost every day. I co-own a recording studio, play in a band, and also do live sound for other bands.

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And that should be "logarithmic".

Does anyone else find it rather amusing that all these errors are on their webpage called "The Truth About Noise"........ :eek:

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Sorry, but I can't get past this limb pocket. Looks like too much possibility of limb shift and torque on the pocket from the cable guard rod.


http://www.whispercreekarchery.com/s...ion.html#strut

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You want the TRUTH?!

You can't HANDLE the Truth...

:)

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the owner of wisper creek used to work in HCA design department

and one smart Ass arrogant SOB!

as far as the bows.... I wasnt impressed.

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That's a bit disappointing. Not that Mathews is loud, just that many companies are in that noise range, without doing any radical things.

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Thats what I was trying to say but in a less straightforward manner :D

Come on BPS, tell us what you really think!

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if he is going to compare how quiet his bow is to another bow it shouldnt be using Mathews as a model.

the TSS is without a doubt the quietest bow in the world !

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What is a TSS? Just curious, where did you get this info?

I shot a Kodiac for the first time the other day, and couldn't believe how quiet it was. Quietest I've heard to date. There was a buzz in the grip, but you could hardly hear the bow.

I gave Whisper Creek a call to clear up some questions. Their website is being re-done to correct some errors on it. They made a lot of changes, they say, so there are some inconsistancies. The hybrid cam will be available in about 60 days. The braided limbs are not going to be out until the 2005 models. Supposedly, it's a patented process that will make for a much stronger limb. The "Bow-Mic" will also not be available until the 2005 models. The bow "Actuator" is increasing IBO speeds by about 20 fps. This is about an $80-$100 option at this time. The "CF" Custom Fit bows will not be available until 2005. Very shortly, they will have a 31" model with more parallel limbs.

They say the baffler material is very strong and wear resistance. According to this person, they have put many 10's of thousands of shots through their cams made of this, and they have remained perfectly shaped and intact, with no wear. It's so smooth that it will not wear on a string. In their words, "this material is that good". They even said it could be made in custom colors if the shop ordered enough bows.

I told them the limb pocket looked flimsy with the possiblity of limb movement. The response was that it was the exact opposite. Hard to say how much of this is "sales talk" and how much is real potential. Interesting to say the least. I will say, that this person was as courteous and polite as anyone I've ever talked to, from a bow company.

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;)

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it....

great movie..... :)

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TSS is the HCA Total Shooting System
and has undergone side by side comparisons with the other bow manufacturers by an independant survey

the survey can be found at Bowsite.net

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Bowsite is down for me this morning BPS. Was the noise testing done with a decibel meter? Or just based on shooter perception?

I don't doubt the TSS is extremely quiet, but the reason I ask is that the bow I sent to BowTech this year to have tested I thought was pretty darn loud, yet they told me it "scored" very well when they put it on the decibel meter. :shrug:

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I guess my question is similar to Jeff's. How was the test done, and did it include all models of all manufacturers? You can't get this: "the TSS is without a doubt the quietest bow in the world!", unless the test included everything and was done with a decibel meter. If not, there would be all kinds of doubts from a large number of people. Another factor would be, when was the test done? New models are hitting the market frequently enough over about a 6 months span, that any testing that wasn't done very recently, would be out of date already.

Another critical factor in testing, is whether the test is bare bow, with silencers provided by the manufacturer, or with add-on silencers from 3rd party manufacturers. Some manufacturers ship their bows with all kinds of silencing stuff added, others send them completely "bare bow". I've found bows that are relatively loud, can sometimes be made almost silent with a little manipulation by the archer. This is the biggest reason, I seldom pay much attention to loudness ratings. When I get done setting up my bows, most make no more noise than a mouse fart.

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What'cha doing, specifically?

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I guess he's comparing them to mouse farts... [8D] Amazing how you could get them little guys to fart on cue like that for testing....;)

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Well not all mice are capable of such feats. Only Members of the MFG (Mouse Farting Guild) can pull off the task with such precision and regularity!

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That's ironic... I would have thought it would have helped them if they were irregular... :)