Well, it's near the end of the eveing and nobody is interested, but Josh. Josh, you're right. And this is why, as long as I can remember I have always been able to look at an arrow chart and move one to two arrow sizes lighter (weaker in spine) than what the charts say. I believe the charts are set up for about a 29" draw, or what they deem to be average.
Longer power stroke can get away with the chart. Shorter guy can go lighter and it may be best to find the optimum spined arrow, regardless of the chart.

Back in the 70's I was shooting a Jennings Arrowstar, 27 3/8" draw, 51lbs. The arrow I shot was a 27" X7 1614. Of all the arroows I shot out of that bow over 4 years they were the ones that fit the best. Hard to believe but true. I still have some of the many robinhoods I shot with it at distances as long as 60 yards.

As an FYI, a 2312 is stiffer than a 500 class carbon (about .460 IIRC).

While carbon recovers quicker out of the bow, I would be loathe to ever go weaker in spine under most circumstances, especially for a hunting arrow shooting broadheads. Slightly stiff is just fine, but slightly weak can cause big probs come hunting season. Been there. Done that, as the saying goes

I would look into something like a CX200, Redline 410 or an Epic 400 (actually about .420 spine in that particular shaft). They are all very light and will alow you experiment with point and fletching weight for proper FOC and optimum spine.

Jeff,I agree with you but I think the 2312 is stiff for his setup and not a good hunting arrow at all.


He has a 27" draw length along with a 56# draw weight.A 500 series arrow will still be PLENTY stiff.Heck,even the Easton charts say he can use a 520 Redline if using a 26" arrow and 100 gr tips.


I never looked at the charts when I made the suggestion of the 3-28's but I wasn't surprised when I looked at it and the 3-28 was one of the arrows listed.


But you are right,a 400 series would be fine and shouldn't be hard to tune and will allow room to go up in poundage if necessary.400's could also add a little more weight in some shafts.

got to change .........

Heh. I never said the 2312 was a good hunting arrow TFOX I shot them for about 7 months back in 1993 or so (the whole "Speed at all costs thing"). I went through about 4 dozen arrows in that timeframe.xx12's seem to bend if all ya do is give 'em a dirty look

You are probably right Fox! But my comment was based on the fact that I don't know what kind of bow he may be shooting (with what type of cam/s), what kind of fletching he's shooting, point weight, whats on his string, let alone his arrow length.I assumed his 2312s were shooting good out of his setup (bobcat just wants to change to carbons for durability), so I would be loathe to suggest going weaker if spine was OK to begin with in that case

I've found the 3-28's and 3-49's in particular will spine very well out of a variety of setups.. sometimes even "off the charts"

I think an actual 400 spine shaft may be overkill (depending on the particulars) for his setup. Thats why I suggested the CX200, Epic 400, or the Redline 410..a little softer than a 400 but not quite as weak as the 2312s. Assuming a hard cam, 27" arrow, 100 grain points with vanes, I'd probably say a 3-39 A/C/C would be perfect. Plus the half-out would offer better FOC, and as you say, get him some more mass weight for penetration. EDIT: How could I forget the Carbon Express Terminator Select in size 45/60? Great choice due to it's mass weight!

Bobcat..care to give us some specifics...Bow model? cam type? actual arrow length? fletching type, point weight, whether you shoot fingers or release, use a string loop or directly off the string...what you have on the string i.e type of peep, silencers, nock points, etc?

browning tornado 2001 model single cam ......cyber cam...

draw weight.......56 pounds and might go higher,but i feel real good at 56.
draw length.......27 back in bowseason
i have a string loop
i have cat whiskers silencers
arrow length 27 i beleive might be 28...... but i think it is 27.......
i shoot a release....
i shoot right helical vanes
and i shoot a whisker biscuit
regular peep sight....

Bobcat,that arrow length is the cruciall number that is needed to determine what spine arrow would be best.


Measure it from the throat of the nock to the end of the shaft,NOT THE POINT,and get back to us.Also specify if the new arrow could be shorter than the current ones.The arrows really should stick out past the rest 1" so if you have more than that now,you can go shorter.

28 on my arrow....

That sure is long for a 27" draw. I am going to change my previous suggestion and go with Jeff on this one.3-39"s would be an awesome arrow for you but they are expensive.If you have to use 28" arrows then go with Jeff's suggestions.

i have shot all my arrows .......so i'm taking a guess......but my last arrows was 27 inches....27 sound wright.....