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Those prices are precisely why I buy a bow that is one year older, for instance, next spring you could get that same $1,000 setup for $500. But, I really do appreciate you taking that $500 "new" bow hit for me:D

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You think it would be higher than 263 fps nub?

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Josh, that does seem low to me as well, what grain arrow are you shooting?

At 73lbs and 29inch draw, I would expect MUCH more than 263.

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Pse Carbon Force Hunter 300 arrows...not sure on the grains..cant find the specs anywhere. but I believe its around 8 grains per inch.

29 x 8 = 232 + 100 grain tip = 332 + 65 grains (approx) for vanes, inserts, and nock = 397 grain arrow.

string loop, hush kit, kisser, and fletcher tru peep on the string. Also shooting a drop away.
The birth certificate says 289 fps with a 350 grain arrow at 70.5 lbs...however, at the shop, it registered at 73 lbs on the scale. any guesses?

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I hope I am able to get a deer with my measly $325 PSE rig??? ;)

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Congratulations on the new bow Josh. :) However, I am sure there are some guys on here that are thinking that they could have bought a new beater pickup for that kind of money....:D


That speed would coincide with what I am getting out of my Liberty. I have been doing some rather exhaustive testing with both the Liberty and MM to see how they handle various arrow weights.

With a 30 inch draw length, 71 lb draw weight and a 418 grain Beman ICS 340 I am getting around 269 fps with the Liberty. With a 360 grain arrow I am getting around 288 fps. My string accessories seem to be costing me about 11 fps off of the bow's BC rating of 302 fps.

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Hmmm, that is strange! Maybe I got a fast one! My Liberty's b.c. said 71#, 29.5", 350 grain arrow at 299 f.p.s.

With my bow set at 71#, 29.5" draw, factory set up string (hush kit, nock, eliminator buttons) and a fletcher tru-peep!

430 grain arrow at 275 f.p.s.
405 grain arrow at 281 f.p.s.

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Jason,

My peep sight is a medium sized Shurz a peep which is somewhat heavier than the True Peep you are using. Also, I would be willing to be that the string loop/tied-in nocksets combination that I am using weighs more than that brass nockset you have on the string....;)

That is about all I can come up with but it is verified on 3 different chronos now.

However if you do the math....

...and add another 5 fps onto your BC because of the half inch shorter draw that would put the base speed up to 304 fps. That is 2 fps faster than mine.

Subtract 2 fps from your 430 grain arrow speed and that gives you 273 fps. A 12 grain difference in arrow weight (418 vs. 430) should equate to about 4 fps in that weight range. That would bring your speed up to about 277 fps with a 418 grain arrow. That is about 8 fps faster than what I was getting (string accessory setup differences).

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Took it out back and used my own chronograph.. ( the shop used a stabilizer mounted one) and got the following readings.. 274, 274, and 276. so thats a little better... I wouldnt care if it said 240..the smoothness and lack of shock and recoil make up for the little bit of speed I may have given up. And maybe its the long riser, but I find this bow MUCH harder to torque than my Hoyt Havoc.

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Jason,

I also have a 1/2" less of draw, a string loop, and a kisser button added on. I think theres our speed difference :D. Either way, I shot the projection screen 3d this afternoon and managed a 376 out of 400 so I think its pretty darn accurate :D