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Thats it! you all have gotton to me in the worst way! Your countless bowtech praise has cost me $1160. I bought a Liberty today and outfitted it with a Vital Bow Gear Ultimate Fall Away Rest, Trophy Ridge Matrix Sight, PSE Carbon Force Arrows, and Vibracheck Isoflex Stabilizer. And Naturally, I had to buy a new release. So here's the Specs of my new love :D

04 LIBERTY maxed out at 73 lbs.
263 fps.
29" draw
PSE Carbon Force 300 arrows.

So I have just one more thing to say to all of you.......

THANKS :D




Sorry, I was reading the manuel when I was typing this and must have been on the Patriot page.

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They all got me too. But so far I've only shelled out $930. Uh oh, where's the "hide this post from wife" button.

I am a little confused though, did you get a Liberty or a Patriot?

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$1,160, OUCH

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The price of venison has just gone up;)

good luck

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I'm confused..did you get a Liberty or a Patriot? In one breath you said you bought a Liberty and then you list it as a Patriot. they are both great bows, i'm just curious which one you actually bought.

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I just picked my new bowtech thursday;) droped about $950.00 on it and still don`t have a new sight picked yet! OR quiver, or stabalizer.I love it!;) I guess you have to pay to play

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They're actually thinking about changing the name of this site to "Bowteching.com":D

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Wow, I've been using an old PSE that I bought way back in the 1980's until I bought a new a new Parker this year. I paid about $125 for that PSE...and got another deer with it this past season. Yep, the price of venison has gone up. How much per pound does that figure out to be?

Clint

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I guess I got you 's all beat and I'm in Canada ,I have $1300 shelled out and I just bought a new Stealth Stabilizer for it as well.

Patriot Dually 04
Nap Quicktune 3000
Vibracheck Isolator and Stealth 6"
Fletcher peep
Carbon Force 200's
Quiver

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263 fps?

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Those prices are precisely why I buy a bow that is one year older, for instance, next spring you could get that same $1,000 setup for $500. But, I really do appreciate you taking that $500 "new" bow hit for me:D

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You think it would be higher than 263 fps nub?

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Josh, that does seem low to me as well, what grain arrow are you shooting?

At 73lbs and 29inch draw, I would expect MUCH more than 263.

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Pse Carbon Force Hunter 300 arrows...not sure on the grains..cant find the specs anywhere. but I believe its around 8 grains per inch.

29 x 8 = 232 + 100 grain tip = 332 + 65 grains (approx) for vanes, inserts, and nock = 397 grain arrow.

string loop, hush kit, kisser, and fletcher tru peep on the string. Also shooting a drop away.
The birth certificate says 289 fps with a 350 grain arrow at 70.5 lbs...however, at the shop, it registered at 73 lbs on the scale. any guesses?

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I hope I am able to get a deer with my measly $325 PSE rig??? ;)

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Congratulations on the new bow Josh. :) However, I am sure there are some guys on here that are thinking that they could have bought a new beater pickup for that kind of money....:D


That speed would coincide with what I am getting out of my Liberty. I have been doing some rather exhaustive testing with both the Liberty and MM to see how they handle various arrow weights.

With a 30 inch draw length, 71 lb draw weight and a 418 grain Beman ICS 340 I am getting around 269 fps with the Liberty. With a 360 grain arrow I am getting around 288 fps. My string accessories seem to be costing me about 11 fps off of the bow's BC rating of 302 fps.

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Hmmm, that is strange! Maybe I got a fast one! My Liberty's b.c. said 71#, 29.5", 350 grain arrow at 299 f.p.s.

With my bow set at 71#, 29.5" draw, factory set up string (hush kit, nock, eliminator buttons) and a fletcher tru-peep!

430 grain arrow at 275 f.p.s.
405 grain arrow at 281 f.p.s.

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Jason,

My peep sight is a medium sized Shurz a peep which is somewhat heavier than the True Peep you are using. Also, I would be willing to be that the string loop/tied-in nocksets combination that I am using weighs more than that brass nockset you have on the string....;)

That is about all I can come up with but it is verified on 3 different chronos now.

However if you do the math....

...and add another 5 fps onto your BC because of the half inch shorter draw that would put the base speed up to 304 fps. That is 2 fps faster than mine.

Subtract 2 fps from your 430 grain arrow speed and that gives you 273 fps. A 12 grain difference in arrow weight (418 vs. 430) should equate to about 4 fps in that weight range. That would bring your speed up to about 277 fps with a 418 grain arrow. That is about 8 fps faster than what I was getting (string accessory setup differences).

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Took it out back and used my own chronograph.. ( the shop used a stabilizer mounted one) and got the following readings.. 274, 274, and 276. so thats a little better... I wouldnt care if it said 240..the smoothness and lack of shock and recoil make up for the little bit of speed I may have given up. And maybe its the long riser, but I find this bow MUCH harder to torque than my Hoyt Havoc.

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Jason,

I also have a 1/2" less of draw, a string loop, and a kisser button added on. I think theres our speed difference :D. Either way, I shot the projection screen 3d this afternoon and managed a 376 out of 400 so I think its pretty darn accurate :D

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" I find this bow MUCH harder to torque than my Hoyt Havoc". This is a good observation of what a great design the VFT is;) You have a bow with 3 inches of reflex in the riser, which is almost unheard of even in the "old" speed bow days and it still shoots like a target bow,,,,, at 33 1/4 inches ATA at that!!:D Good luck with your new huntin' buddy Josh!!!

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I know this has been asked before, but I cant find it after using the search...but where do you all prefer to put the vibrablocks and string silencers?

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Hey Frank,

Okay, I understand. I wasn't thinking about what you had on the string! :eek:

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Ooops Josh, I just saw your post.

The VibraBlocks should be set where the limb tappers to its narrowest point. I have my top string silencer up as high as it will go (right below the speed nocks), and my bottom one is right below the speed nocks!

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Do you mean right in front of the limb pocket, or on the top limb, right over the "t" in bowtech? Thanks.

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I have mine over the C in BowTech and the T in VFT.