2004 Bowtech Dually owners
 

Now that you guys have had a little time with your 2004 Dually bows, If you had owned a 2003 dual cam Bowtech do you notice any difference in the draw cycle. My 2003 Pro 40 although a great bow is a bear to draw for a 70 lb bow and Im no lightweight. When I draw my old hatchet cam High Country (also 70 lbs ) side by side the Bowtech feels at least 10 lbs heavier. Every answer I hear has kind of dodged the question. I guess what I want to know is if this is by far still the hardest drawing bow in its weight class. Also mine was not the easiest to let down when an animal did not present a shot while still keeping the arrow on the string. Let me know what you think as I have always liked the dual cam bows.
Thanks
BD

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Dually,

A very interesting question. I am potentially just days away from buying a new 04 Patriot dually. and was wondering the same thing. Although I am looking at a 60# max, I will be switching over from a Patriot single cam that I have been shooting at 67#. My intention is to go down to 60# and come close to maintaining the performance I currently have. Will pulling the new dually at say 59# or 60# be equal in effort to the 67# single?? If so, it doesn't really look like I will be able to acheive my goal to shoot less draw weight (perceived or otherwise) and stay at or near the performance level I'm currently at with this bow. I have a dually coming with the option of not taking it if I don't like it, so I won't be out anything. If I get to shoot the bow soon, I will post back my findings. BTW I have shot the 03 Patriot dually and it did feel stiff for a 61# draw (verified on a scale). I have heard the 04 dually's are supposed to be a little smoother. Hopefully that is true.

I will be following this post with great interest.

MN_BOWHUNTER

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Dually

I will be recieving my new 2004 Patriot dually 60# as well in the next few day's I have been shooting the 2003 in the mean time and yes it's not exactly the easiest bow I ever tried to let down .My biggest thought is that you really need a solid anchor point and concentration is a must when shooting the dually hopefully I'll have a comparison for you soon on the draw cycle.

nubo

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I have had my black Knight now for a couple of weeks.

The one thing I will tell you this bow is a shooter it just stacks them in there at any distance.

By the looks of the cams they have gone back to the same geometry as the 02 BK's I did compare them to an 03 BK and an 02 BK.
The draw cycle is stout but very smooth picks up the weight early and keeps it through out the draw.
It has about 1/2" of valley and if you are not careful you will bounce off the back wall.

On the shot for such a powerful bow this thing is quite with just the factory hush kit and vibrablocks.
Very little to no hand shock or vibration.

Did I say it was deadly accurate and just a pleasure to shoot.

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Thats good to here Ausie, I currently have a 02 BK2 and considering getting a P-40 dually. I like the draw cycle on my 02 BK stout but smooth and shoots good, to boot.:)

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Stop it! You guys are gonna make me go out and buy me one!!!! AAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!

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bow_huntr, Yeah but you will get a better price if you buy two of them;)

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I shot an 03 P40 Dually last year for 3D at 57#. I have an 04 for this year. The new one is much smoother, quieter, and faster. The valley is a smidge narrower, but not so as to make any difference. The brace height is also 1/4" lower. Overall it's an improved bow when compared to last year's. Balance is better, and I like the grip. For what it's worth: I was shooting a Techno Hunt yesterday. Speed is measured at 20 yds. With a 320 gr arrow at 60#, 29" it was showing 293-295. To answer your question, I think a 60# Dually will be as fast as a 70# single, apples to apples. A 60# Dually is no harder to draw than a 70# single. Easier than most, IMO. The 70# Duallys are stout. But I see no reason to shoot more than 60# with one of them. My 03 Patriot Dually shoots a 375 gr arrow 288, 29" draw.

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Many people ask me why I shoot over 70# of draw weight. My response to that is I prefer to shoot a heavier arrow at greater speeds to increase KE. Since I only hunt and do not shoot competively, the extra draw weight is not as big of a concern to me. I can comfortably shoot 70+# of draw weight. True you can match the speed of a 70# bow with a 60# bow, but for hunting I prefer to have that extra punchthat I get by being able to shoot a heavier arrow faster.

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The cold isn't such a concern in your neck of the woods. If you can handle a 70# Dually, it only gets faster. ;) The KE and momentum these bows produce at 70# should be against the law. :D

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I just got my new 04 Patriot Dually today. The pull is a little smoother than last years but the valley is pretty short. As long as you keep good back tension it is no problem. I thought about going to a single cam but after shooting them, I found out I shoot the duallys better. I had a Pro 40 dually last year. My Patriot dually is 60lbs. @ 29 inches. It was shooting a 345 grain arrow 299 fps and a 365 grain arrow 292 fps, this was with a peep installed on the string as well as string silencers. It was shooting really good! the arrows were smoking! I do not see why anyone would need to shoot 70 lbs with a dually. Unless you like burying your arrow 12 inches in the dirt on the other side of the deer instead of just 6 inches!!!

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The frustrating thing for dual cam lovers is that most manafactures try to always make theDual cam their speedbow, while I enjoy speed as much as anyone I would also like to see them offer a Dually with the same speed as their single cams and easier drawing charachteristics for those of us that would chose a dual cam over a single cam of similar performance. I guess it's that time of year in the NorthEast when theres nothing better to do than bitch about whats not available.
BD

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The new duals are better than last year , but do have a bit less valley. Some people will love them, some will hate them. If you don't have your draw length truly correct you will find out real quick :D But if you dial it in and draw with your back like you are supposed to, it's very easy to get used to..at least it was in my case.

But I do like the new cams much better; A bit smoother, the bows are noticeably quieter, less recoil & vibe, no cam-lean, etc. Overall a big improvement.

The Black Knight believe it or not was the smoothest drawing of the dual cam models, due to where the cams are positioned at rest.

As for a softer alternative, there is always the Pro 40 wheel bow, which is quite smooth and still has a very good wall (and is no slouch speed-wise) I'd like to see that cam on some other bows as well.

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BowTechDually, maybe there's a Patriot VFT Wheely in your future for '05:D

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BowTech Dually:

I recently replaced a 2001 Pro 38 Dual Cam with a 2003 Pro 40 Wheely. The difference in draw is very pronounced. The old bow kept peak weight almost all the way back, then dropped off really fast into a very narrow valley. The Wheely hits peak early, then drops off a bit for most of the draw, and rolls smoothly into a nice valley for a hunting bow, IMO. The Wheely certainly is not as fast, but you can probably draw more weight to make up for some of the difference. I am very pleased with the bow.:D

I agree, Russ, that a Patriot VFT Wheely would be a very nice hunter, and all around bow. BUT...

What about a Patriot VFT with a Hybrid Cam and interchangable modules for a Wheely/Freedom cam type draw, and an Infinity Cam type draw with the same cam set? I can see that one keeping Mr. Strother busy designing, and then the factory busy keeping up with sales!;)

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Me thinks BowTech should open up a custom shop;)!!!! Heck we'll just design our own bows and they can just tell us how much to write the check out for[&:]
I'll take a 35 1/2 inch Patriot VFT Harmony in 70 pound and 29 inch draw;)

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I'm getting itchy now ,I know it's coming, should be soon ,maybe Monday or Tues ,oh I can't wait for my Patriot dually .

nubo

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Where you been Jeff? I was getting worried about you... with what went on a few months back..

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Jeff:

As far as the surgery and recovery, things are going great. I'm ahead of schedule in most ways, and am working out again to get strength back.

As far as not posting, I got the impression that I might not be professional enough to use this forum. Wanted to cut down on the misinformation and stupid questions.[8D]

RE: 2004 Bowtech Dually owners
 

Darn guys, I was about to buy an '03 Pro 40 Dually I found, but now I am having second thoughts after reading your posts.

RE: 2004 Bowtech Dually owners
 

I went looking at the 2004 Bowtech Pro 40 Dually yesterday, I had read an earlier post on the 2004 riser that said they had moved the string into the center of the grip as I was holding the bow it apeared about in the same place as my 2003. Can anyone elaborate on this, did they infact move the string and if so is it now in the center of the grip or was it a slight move. The cams did appear to be rounded off to make them draw smoother however they only had a 60 lb model set @ approx 53 lbs and were very busy so I did not get to compare draw cycles with my 2003 Pro 40 Dually 70lbs.
Overall a nice bow but Im trying to decide if there is enough of a differance to justify a purchase. I remember when a 37" bow was tiny but it looks like a monster compared to the other bows on the rack, however I still prefer the longer axel to axel.
BD

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FWIR Centershot on the duallys is slightly left of the string running down the center of the grip..I don't have a 2004 yet myself.:(

EDIT: BTW. Glad to hear everything is OK Jeff :)

RE: 2004 Bowtech Dually owners
 

I picked up my 04 P-40 dually tonight and got to shoot it for a little bit . I have an 02 BK2 and these are the differences i found. The 02 BK2 has a smoother draw IMO, The 04 P-40 dually has a more solid wall. The 02 BK2 has a longer valley. The 04 P-40 dually has a much better grip and balances much better. Funny thing is they both have the same BC 328@ 71#@29". Although the 02 was more like 29.5 and the 04 was 29 1/8 with and extra 1/2" of BH. so far i like them both and as soon as the string settles in ill get to see which one i shoot better.:)