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http://www.hoytusa.com/products/xtec...80096457310955

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I am glad to see that they have the website up and running. I picked up my Vipertec along with some catalogs yesterday when I was down at the shop. I have not had a chance to shoot it yet though I did finish setting it up last night. I smell a review in the making....:)

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PA,

I' m interseted to see how this does compared to the Razortec. I love my Rtec and can' t imagine that the Viper can be any smoother.....waiting anxiously for your review

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Of course it' ll be smoother and quieter, they knocked 10 fps off of it :)

I kinda like the looks of it. Wish it had more oomph...

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I' ve shot it. It' s definitely smoother shooting than a Razor. Less recoil.

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I did shoot it once down at the shop before I had it fully set up and I would have to agree with Jeff based on that one shot so far. It does have less felt recoil than the Razortec. The longer riser coupled with the shorter, more parallel limbs definitely changes the way the bow feels. Plus, it seems to balance a bit better in my hand when compared with the Razortec.

Rangeball is right though. The speed rating is definitely slower than the Razortec as well despite the fact they are both close in axle to axle length and brace height. However, it was only a few short years ago that Hoyt went with the dual track idler on many of their bows which, in turn, slowed the IBO rating down to around 8-10 fps on many models. I found many of those bows to be faster than their listed IBO rating.

Sometimes manufacturers do actually rate conservatively...:).

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To be honest with you, I do not know. Hoyt' s literature states that it " increases the lateral stiffness and balance of the riser. It provides for the highest level of consistancy and accuracy...."

Though I fail to see the benefit I am sure that someone should be able to enlighten us. :) A shoot through harness I can understand...and even a true shoot through riser that can be shot either right or left handed...but the Hoyt models have me a little baffled. Anybody want to take any bets on whether or not the Hoyt pros will use them this year to compete?

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The shoot through should allow for better follow through.When a bow is shot correctly and is setup and balanced correctly,the bow should want to go straight ahead or just sit there without moving side to side at all when shot.In return the overused phrase of more forgiving applies.


It should also balance well in the hand without wanting to sway one way or the other.Basically your level should want to be level without effort from you.This was a problem for some with the previous 2003 models.I was one.I had to make a side bar stabilizer to fit in the small hole in the riser and I never needed weight on the side of a bow before.I have developed a feel for the bow now and have done away with the side stabilizer but that is the basic reason for the shoot through.I think the extra small grip is part of the reason for this.



I for one think the basic design is a good one for tournament but for hunting would be quite the pain in the rear to use.;)


I would love to be shooting the Proelite but can' t justify the cost as of yet.I have a 2003 Ultratec so I will be shooting it,besides,the longer you shoot a bow the better feel you develope and the better you will shoot.

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TFOX, I think you described my problem to a ' T' with my 03' Cybertec. That balance issue combine with the small grip has made my new bow less enjoyable. I talked to the dealer today about it. He' s trying to get me into a 04' Hoyt but I' ve been strongly considering the 04' Bowtechs. Decisions, decisions. ;)

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JeramyK,the answer isn' t always as simple as buying a new bow.

Sometimes it can be because the new bow will just flat out fit you better but the issue is really understanding what the problem is.The problems usually show up with any bow you choose but in varying degrees.The answer is to learn what is going on and correct it.This is why the pros can shoot any bow well(along with near to or perfect form).They are able to make the bow suit them and are able to adjust.Things like weight in the right place or hand/wrist position.There are exceptions to the rule,Jeff Hopkins is one.He tried shooting the newer Conquest 3 but he just couldn' t achieve the level of succes that he did with the old original Conquest.He did shoot the 3 very well but not at the same level he was used to with the old bow.This is also a testiment to getting a bow and sticking with it untill it becomes part of you.The really good ones may be able to pick up any bow and it feel perfect or are fortunate to shoot each bow in the lineup untill one just melts in their hands but the majority can adjust on the fly.

Jeramy,you may want to try putting a small weight on the side of the bow or a little stabilizer like a Doinker and see if it solves the problems.Experimentation can be a big help.Try little things and see if you are more comfortable and shooting better.Things like grip,high wrist verses low wrist.If you just can' t get the bow to shoot well for you,a new bow may be in order.The Cybertec is a bow that is a little less forgiving to those little shooter flaws than some others that have less reflex are.



To be honest,the best thing I do to get familiar with a bow for 3-d is hunt with it.I know it sounds weird but when I set up my bow to hunt,I try some weird shots in the yard.Things like sitting on my but and facing a target at 30 yards.This shot is a shot that requires a certain amount of torque to do and you see how the bow reacts to different shooting situations.After pulling off just about any kind of shot imaginable,I start to understand the bow(and shooter).For some reason I just realized this, this year.I shot my bow all year and learned more about how it performs best in my hands when I started practicing for hunting with what really amounts to trick shots in the yard.This will become a part of my new bow rituall from now on.



Hope I didn' t ramble on and had some usefull info.

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Tfox,

Excellent response. I had not considered that it might be a balance issue but rather was just looking at it from a structural support point of view. Hopefully, someone here will drop the cash on one of these models and report back.

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TFOX, thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it. :)

I understand there are some things that I could do to adjust to the bow. I am just not sure if I want to put the time into it. Maybe I' m wrong in feeling that the bow should fit me like a glove but that is what I am used to. Maybe I' m reaching one of those " can' t teach an old dog new tricks" times in my life. :D

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do not foget that a conventional shoot through harness system wil not work with a C.5 either...there is only one split harness termination. Best they could hope for is the system utilized by Winners Choice for single cams.

But the problem is,unlike the Fury-X system or another shoot through the cables system, the U-elite still uses a cable guard..which really defeats the whole purpose of a shoot-through, at least AFAIC (reducing torque in the system).

:shrug:

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A Hoyt with vertical limbs!!! I bet Matt is Stompin' MAD!:D Can' t wait to see the ads now!LOL!;)

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That is exactly what I was referring to in my initial post.

Matt who? We all know it was Bowtech that introduced Vertical Force Technology....:D.

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Jeff,the opposite holds true for the Fury x system.


You have a bow riser that is designed to have side torque from a cable guard system ,so there is a tendancy of the riser to compensate for something that isn' t there.Your sight and arrow cutout are to one side.


This comes from a conversation I had with a very reliable and professinal tuner.He has had the shoot through cable system on a shooting machine and has found the advantage very minimal if any when using a riser that was initially designed to have a cable guard.



Now,if you combine the 2,you have an awesome system.


From a balance side the shoot through riser is better but from a follow through stand point,the shoot through cable system is most likely superior.



Atleast in my way of looking at it and being familiar with the Hoyt bows,I believe the shoot through on this design will be awesome to shoot.Look at the Elite bows and you will see that it isn' t just a shoot through but the riser is actually split at the bottom also,imo,this adds to the overall balance and shootability of the bow.

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TFox,

Care to comment on the TRIAX limb pocket system found on the Elite series bows?

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Blashpemy!

:)

Flung any through the chrony yet?

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Pa,I haven' t seen the system up close but from the standpoint of a technical design(judging from pictures)it should be an awesome pocket design.I haven' t seen anything on the market that even comes close.On the otherhand,I saw nothing wrong with what they had but if it needed improving,this new pocket should be an improvement.