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bobcat 10 09-03-2003 03:46 PM

is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
my golden key futera messed up.so here is where i am at, i need a new rest season is sept 27,need rest quick, i heard good things about the whisker biscuit.
are they a good rest i need one that is easy to tune, silent. but what is all about this trimming on the rest.i like that once you have the arrow in it won' t fall off.

i shoot 2312 xx78 easton superslams
draw is 27
pull on bow is 55 might go higher

i have plastic vanes on my arrows will it where the vanes out .

need help quick
thanks clint

BOWFANATIC 09-03-2003 05:44 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
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Droptines 09-03-2003 06:24 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
BOBCAT,,I have scoffed at the WB for years.I bought one just about the day they hit my local pro shop.NEVER even shot an arrow through it.
When I tipped my bow down and let one of aluminum " logs' drop through it.The 5" helical vanes STOPPED the arrow.Talk about putting on the " brakes" .Well, this was NO GOOD to me and my already slow set up.I sold it to a freind for half. price,,,I' m good like that[:@]
Now, I' m shooting carbons and thought it was time to take ANOTHER look at the NEW and IMPROVED WB.All I can say for sure is that the WB and carbons are a MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN !!:D.I was very surprized at how well this rest handles carbons.I have not finished ALL of my testing, but so far, out to 30 yards,,,AWSOME !!!!!!!!!!!.[:-]

Buckbuster4ou 09-03-2003 09:10 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Try one, you will like it. Accurate, easy to tune, low maintanance, and durable.

What more do you want from a rest.

cottonfarmer 09-03-2003 09:18 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
I just put one on my bow. All I can say is that my bow shoots the best it ever has. My groups are just better. It does slow you down, but for hunting only I do not plan on changing anytime soon.

Arrroman 09-03-2003 09:19 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
The whisker biscuit should have a loose arrow to biscuit fit in order to work properly. The aluminium size biscuit has a .36" hole and will work with up to 22XX size aluminium arrows. To use your 2312 arrows you would have to pull the biscuit apart at the split in the ring of the biscuit. This will make the hole bigger and create a homemade quickload version of the rest. Trimming the bowstring side of the rest flat does make the rest somewhat easier to tune. The whisker biscuit is very quiet and very accurate, its well worth the effort to figure it out. Good luck hunting!

bassmaster1200 09-04-2003 05:27 PM

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dude if it were me and i shoot one with carbons work great love it . but if i was shooting alum. i would not shoot it. when yo0u draw your bow with it it drag the whiskers and noise the carbon did not do that.

shoot em up man 09-06-2003 08:25 AM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
I asked this question a couple weeks ago. Mostly got positive reviews. I am planning on getting one first chance I get

rochelle 09-08-2003 06:01 PM

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I just got a quick shot rest for 2314 arrows. And my groups are tighter then they have ever been. Its an excellent rest to say the least.

vERN 09-08-2003 07:56 PM

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In regards to Bassmaster 1200' s coment about aluminum arrows making noise, I have a guy who complained about that but had heard that you can spray silicone on the WB to quiet it down. I told him to be sure that his arrows were clean as that helps noise on other rests. Has anyone heard of a solution for the noise problem with aluminum arrows???
Vern

Arrroman 09-08-2003 10:12 PM

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The biscuit is supposed to be loose not tight. The aluminium biscuit is sized for up to a 22XX size arrow without being tight. You can pull the ring of the biscuit apart some to make it a bit bigger. I actually prefer using the aluminium biscuit with ICS carbons, I think it shoots better than the " correct" ICS sized biscuit. Good luck hunting!

bigcountry 09-09-2003 03:04 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
When I tryed one, it slowed my arrows down by 20fps. With all the worry about fast bows, it kinda defeats the purpose of getting a decently fast bow. I like to shoot at least around 250fps.

Arrroman 09-09-2003 03:54 PM

The Whisker Biscuit Arrowrest
 
The whisker biscuit arrowrest is a great hunting rest. Of course you do have to use the correct spine arrows, and tune your bow, and adjust the rest and the nocking point properly in order to get the best results. If you use too light a spine arrow it will bend and flex as it flys through the rest, this will cause problems with speed and accuracy. The whisker biscuit works best with a loose arrow to biscuit fit. The biscuit should be parallel to the bowstring, not tipped forward or tipped backward. The arrow should be nocked at a 90degree angle to the bowstring with the bow at an even tiller. I usually back both limb bolt off from max three even turns each to establish an even tiller for tuning. You can always bump the weight up once you have established that the bow is shooting straight. You should grouptune for windage in order to get the narrowest group. On most right-handed bows the nock travel is forward and to the left about 1/8" so the windage adjustment of the rest will probably end up being about 1/8" left of center for the bow to shoot straight. If the arrow hits the target nock high the upper limb is doing more work than the lower limb, in order to correct the tiller you would tighten the lower limb bolt to achieve a level arrow in the target. If the arrow hits the target nock low the lower limb is doing more work than the upper limb, to correct the tiller you would tighten the upper limb bolt till you get a level arrow in the target. You can leave the arrow nocked at 90degrees to the bowstring. If you tune the bow in this way using the correct spine arrows, your broadheads and fieldpoints will fly fast and quiet, and will probably hit the same hole. Good luck hunting!

JOE PA 09-09-2003 06:55 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
On my primary bow, the Biscuit is grouping broadhead tipped arrows impressively out to 40 yards. I am shooting as well as I have with any other combination bow/rest that I have owned.

On one of my backup bows, I get very good broadhead flight with helical feathers, not as good with straight offset vanes. This remains after much tweaking and adjustment.

On another backup, the broadheads shoot well, but don' t group with my field points. That is not a major problem, but it would be nice. However, when I switched to a TM type rest, the bow shoots both together, with slightly better accuracy than the same bow with the Biscuit. (This bow has a Natural Series 15 degee offset grip, and it is hard for me to eliminate torque for some reason.)

My theory (and it is only that) is that the accuracy of the Biscuit depends on the amount of overdraw of the setup, which depends on the riser design. It also seems to vary depending on how torque-resistant the riser is. The Biscuit, and other total capture rests demand a very solid follow through for accuracy to be good. Of course, you are not going to shoot too well without a good follow through, even with a drop away.

All in all, it is an impressive hunting rest, especially if your form is great, and torque and follow through are not issues.;)

c903 09-09-2003 10:24 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Hogwash! [:@]

There is no such thing as an accurate rest. Rests alone do not create accuracy. Rests are only one part of several things that must properly come together to enable accuracy.

A rest should not primarily dictate what size, number of vanes/fletch, and type (helical, offset, straight, etc.) your shafts require.


BOWFANATIC 09-10-2003 01:13 AM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Thanks again for all your wisdom!!!

Maybe they meant that the whisker biscuit is a forgiving rest?[:o];)



A rest should not primarily dictate what size, number of vanes/fletch, and type (helical, offset, straight, etc.) your shafts require.

[8D]Really??? Well golly! The two prong shoot thru rests have been " dictating fletching setups" for years!





BOWFANATIC 09-10-2003 01:22 AM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 

When I tryed one, it slowed my arrows down by 20fps. With all the worry about fast bows, it kinda defeats the purpose of getting a decently fast bow. I like to shoot at least around 250fps.
With all due respect , if you lost 20fps you have some tuning and/or spine issues! I' ve setup countless whisker biscuits in the last 3 years with a maximum speed loss of 5fps and that was with 5" vanes. The normal speed loss is around 2-3 fps.

Mahly13 09-10-2003 02:14 AM

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The way the WB gets " accuracy" is the MAKE the arrow start spinning faster sooner. This is why it can be " easy to tune" with broadheads...but with field points (which don' t need as much spin for accuracy) the benefit can be lost by the fact that the rest contacts the arrow for a VERY long time. This is where drop away rests shine.
When shooting a WB, make sure your using some offset or helical to your vanes...with straight vanes, you will gain no benefit with the WB...and may well loose accuracy.

CBM SC 09-10-2003 06:46 AM

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They are very good rests and my accuracy is excellent with it all the way to 70 yrds. I completely suprised some folks this week by shooting 4-5" groups at 70 yrds with several arrows touching!!
Speed loss is minimal 2- 5 fps ! 5 fps isn' t enough to even worry about IMO!!
Fletching wear can be an issue ......but a quality fletch with a dab of extra glue on the front of each fletching will perform very well. A straight or offset fletch will hold up better and lose less speed than a full helical through the WB .
I just got back from a hunting trip and 6 out of 7 hunters there were shooting WB and one of the 6 is a guy that has killed 600 plus animals with a bow . And has taken many/many animals in Africa and elsewhere at ranges of 60-85 yrds !! I' ll take his word on eqipment any day !!

c903 09-10-2003 12:35 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Bowfanatic:

You' re welcome for the wisdom granted. Obviously it (wisdom) is sometimes needed.

As long as the sport of bowhunting has been around, and as it will always be as long as the sport of bowhunting survives, there will always be the boys and girls with their brand-new toys that will join hands and gleefully and giggly dance around the campfire while irrationally chanting words of glorification and making exaggerated claims. That is ok. Because unbridled excitement and spinning yarns, especially in the growing stages, is part of the sport.

However, also for the sake of the sport and the uninformed that seriously desire to know the real and unexaggerated facts, I hope there will always be someone to step forward to help tone the party down and point out what is real from what is exaggerated and what is just plain BS.

As for the two-prong rest, or any other rest, having PRIMARILY dictated shaft and/or bow setup for years; you could not be more wrong in the sense that you obviously intend your statement to be taken. Have there been shooters that have inappropriately allowed a rest to primarily dictate how a shaft or bow will be setup? I am sure there have been… and it is obviously still occurring.

CBM SC:

600 hundred kills. Hmmm1 I am not sure, but that number might surpass or rival what Fred Bear did in 50 years with the sport. Maybe the record of Fred Bear and Howard Hill combined. For curiosity only, I' ll have to look that up.



CG 09-10-2003 01:28 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
c903,
I understand your rationale but on the other hand when do we (meaning you) finally decide that something does work even if it' s true effectivesness slides inbetween the " gleefully and giggly" dancers and the nay sayers like yourself. I personally shoot and love the WB and love the qualities it provides for the hunter. I understand it' s weaknesses but am willing to allow it to " dictate" a few things to me to make it effective...... i.e. I shoot feathers because it likes them but would rather shoot vanes BUT I' m willing to make that sacrifice for the advantages they provide and couldn' t be happier.

CBM SC 09-10-2003 02:18 PM

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CBM SC:

600 hundred kills. Hmmm1 I am not sure, but that number might surpass or rival what Fred Bear did in 50 years with the sport. Maybe the record of Fred Bear and Howard Hill combined. For curiosity only, I' ll have to look that up.
C903, Hate to bust that pompus bubble of your' s......he' s killed them.......get over it !! Maybe......and I mean just maybe........you don' t know everything (?) !! The only BS I have seen around here is your continual bashing of a WB rests and I' ll bet you still haven' t actually tried one out !!

BOWFANATIC 09-10-2003 05:52 PM

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As for the two-prong rest, or any other rest, having PRIMARILY dictated shaft and/or bow setup for years; you could not be more wrong in the sense that you obviously intend your statement to be taken.
It couldn' t be more CORRECT in " the sense that I intended it to be taken! Especially when responding to your quote below. Rests have been dictating fletching configurations for years , hence the biggest adavantage to drop aways.



A rest should not primarily dictate what size, number of vanes/fletch, and type (helical, offset, straight, etc.) your shafts require.




Arrroman 09-10-2003 11:23 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
In order to have wisdom one must first aquire knowledge. I have found the whisker biscuit arrowrest an easy rest to tune provided you use the correct spine arrows for the bow. Too light a spine arrow results in the arrow flexing and bending into the rest upon release. It is difficult to achieve optimum speed and accuracy with the rest if the arrow is going through the rest like a snake. Using the proper spine arrows avoids rest interference and vastly improves bow performance. I have used a wide variety of styles of fletch successfully with the biscuit. Turbonocks, straight fletch, offset straight fletch, and helical fletch, in both feathers and vanes will work well with this rest provided you use the correct spine arrows for the bow and you properly tune the bow and the rest so that they can work together. Good luck hunting!

JOE PA 09-11-2003 08:46 AM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Arrowman:

I am curious which rest you are using for the Turbonocks. I tried to use them with my Droptine, and the bottom fin hit the bracket on the bottom. I just forgot about them for the time being since hunting season is near.

BTW, I did get my former #3 bow (now #2) straightened out. I had to adjust tiller
(top bolt out one turn) as the riser is much longer above the grip. Now the broadheads are shooting just fine with the Droptine Biscuit, even with straight offset vanes. New problem is which bow to carry on opening day, the Bowtech, or the one I put together from parts.:D

Howler 09-11-2003 10:35 AM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Heck, 600 animals taken by one man. He must be famous. What' s his name? Must be great getting to hunt with this great one. Heck, if he started hunting when he was 15 and if he is 65, he averaged 12 KILLS A YEAR. Most of us can only dream of getting to hunt year around in many states, countrys, continents to complete such a feat!

Arrroman 09-11-2003 11:04 AM

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Joe PA: I have an MT Sport with a Droptine Whisker Biscuit, its set at 60# with the limbs at max, the arrow is nocked at 90degrees to the bowstring. I also shoot an Icon with a Deluxe Whisker Biscuit at 60#, the limbs are backed off evenly three turns from max for an even tiller, and the arrow is nocked at 90degrees. My Martin Fury has a Droptine Whisker biscuit, is set at 70# with both limbs at max, and the nock point is about 1/16" high. All these bows shoot a level arrow and they all have shot Turbos. I have read the Easton Tuning guide over a hundred times and while I think its a good read, I don' t think they cover anything about tiller. My first compound bow was a Browning Cobra and it didn' t have any limb bolts to adjust tiller with. I think a high nocking point is a habit we got from reading the Easton Guide and having to deal with fixed rests that needed the extra clearance to get good arrow flight. I can' t think of any compound bows made today that don' t have adjustable limb bolts. The Whisker Biscuit is the first rest that shows you from 360* around where the center of the rest is. It seems quite obvious to me that if you have a center you should aim your nock travel toward it and get good results. Good luck hunting!

CBM SC 09-11-2003 01:16 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Howler , You and C903 should start hunting together !! I' ll bet ya' ll would have a fun camp to hang out in !! ;)

I' ll bet you were always the kids that went " nnuuuuhhhhh uuuuuhhhh" !!

t-roy 09-11-2003 02:43 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
i have a 10 year old black bear bow, and shoot XX75 easton aluminum arrows (2117). i just put a whisker biscuit (drop tine) on my bow. it shoots great, and is totally silent. there are different biscuit inserts for carbon and aluminum arrows. i would imagine that those who say the biscuit is loud are using the wrong one. tuning was quick and unbelievably easy

Howler 09-11-2003 03:03 PM

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Howler , You and C903 should start hunting together !! I' ll bet ya' ll would have a fun camp to hang out in !!
Only if he agreed to use a WB:D

Straightarrow 09-11-2003 03:52 PM

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What' s his name? Must be great getting to hunt with this great one. Heck, if he started hunting when he was 15 and if he is 65, he averaged 12 KILLS A YEAR.
What' s so impossible about that? I know a few guys who hunt 4-5 months each year in a few states. I' m positive that at least a couple are averaging very near that amount, or more. This is just within my limited circle of friends who hunt. I can only imagine the number across the country who have done this. I think you underestimate the ability of a hunter with a lot of time on his hands, and the desire, to take lots of big game each year. In addition, I know lots of guys who hunted for more than 50 years - lots.

By the way, the whisker biscuit is a great hunting rest. I just got back from an elk hunting trip and out of the 5 guys on the hunt, 4 used whisker biscuits. 3 out of those 4, took elk- all over 40 yards. I was the only one using the WB who didn' t get an elk. I didn' t get an elk within range.

Arthur P 09-11-2003 04:08 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
In a way, I agree with C903. Fletching contact with the rest is to be avoided at all cost. That' s been a truth of archery ever since arrow rests came along. The WB means total fletching contact and is a direct affront to that old truth. They do rob some speed off the arrow and, with so many people willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a bow that shoots a few fps faster than their old bow, that' s going against the grain too.

I don' t like the way you have to load an arrow into the things, at least in their original version, mainly because there' s no way in the world to load an arrow for a quick follow-up shot. Then it dawned on me that we' re talking compounds, generally shot with a mechanical release, and there won' t be a quick follow-up shot in any case.

Some friends I' ve shot with for a long time switched to WB' s. The rests are dead quiet. Their arrows shoot straight, and they shoot just as accurately with the WB as they did with any rest they' d used before. WB' s appeal to me because they are simple, basic rests without a lot that can go wrong. If I were to use one, it would be the new side loading model.

But I' m completely satisfied with the rests I use and have no plans at all to switch to the WB.

Howler 09-11-2003 07:06 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Who said it was impossible, I know I never did. As a matter of fact, I even said that it would be great to have the opportunity to hunt with someone with that much hunting " wisdom" . I even thought with a name, we would even probably know of the person from record books or even just hear say. Didn' t mean to get your pantys in a wad;) And just for the record, I shoot with the WB, and have for a couple fo years and won' t be changing any time soon. And two of my buddys got elk already this season, both using the WB, one was 42 yrds. and the other was at 61 yrds. SO, with the proper set up, the WB can assist in accuracy just as well as any other rest.

brucelit 09-11-2003 10:45 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
Finally got my drop tine biscuit on and sighted in tonite:D Really didn' t have to sight anything. I had to move my loop less than 1/4" for the arrow to nock at 90 degrees to the string but other than that everything else was still dead on:) Very satisfied so far now after season I think I' ll start shooting turbo nocks;):D

Straightarrow 09-13-2003 02:29 PM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 

Who said it was impossible
I know that I never said, that you said it was impossible. :D You must be inferring that I said, you said it. I was only responding to your post that was dripping with sarcasim. I' m the one who used the word " impossible" . Substitute " difficult" or " unrealistic" if you' d like. Either way, I' m suggesting that it' s not as unlikely as you may think. ;)


Bill Olmesdahl 09-14-2003 03:44 AM

RE: is whisker biscuit a good choice
 
As a pro shop owner I have set up several on bows. I finally wanted to try the WB myself on the hunting bow. I installed the new WB easy load model for carbon. I found had to do zero adjustment in the paper tune and got great arrow and broad head flight. It did slow the speed of the bow down by about 10 feet per sec. But what I want for a hunting bow is a steady shooting platform, the WB meets all these requirements. I for one highly recommend it for the new carbon arrows. I also did not find that you wore out vanes or feathers so far, I have shot 300+ arrows thru the rest.


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