Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Isn't it great when a bow exceeds your expectations/hopes?

Had some difficulty working with the tight string angle of the Admiral- nock pinch. The only thing that would not lift up off the rest and to the side during the draw were G-nocks. X nocks, S nocks, etc- no good. So I went to work tying a nock in underneath the arrow nock with just a small gap. First tie-in nock was too small and there was too much space for the arrow to shift around. Added some material and then it was too big and I was back to pinching. Being that I've not tied in a nock in so many years and add to the fact I was NEVER good at it anyway, you could say I was losing what little patience I had[:@] My friend Tommy at the shop saw my frustration , took the bow from me and got it working right. That big tie-in is not even close to pretty but it works. So now I have the Dave Cousins type loop setup going on. ALONG WITH a brass nock on top of the top loop knot. Tommy puts a brass nock above the loop on all the bows he sets up as "insurance". I usually take them off if he sets up a bow for me, but with the acute string angle and worry about slippage, I decided to leave it on until I found some more patience to tie another nock in to replace it.

After messing around trying to figure out what arrow I'd go with, I finally settled on a half dozen pre-fletched CX Maxima 3D Selects they had (350s). They were my fave blazer colors-Although not my favorite all carbon arrow there is no denying the quality-I know that CX have tight spine & weight, and the 3D Selects have always been super straight even full length. The ICSH, ST Axis, FMJs, and ACC were a bit to quite a heavier than I wanted now that I had to move up to a .340 class shaft. Finshed weights of the 3D Selects are 374.5 to 375.5 grains. Lighter than I wanted but not by much.

So with this longer (heavier) than usual loop to compensate for the big ugly (heavy) tie nock, a (heavy) brass nock, Meta peep, and factory silencers-along with the fact that I had shortened the draw from 29" to 28.5" over the weekend , I was not hopeful in the least to be pleased when I shot through the chronograph- despite the light arrow (yes I know- I said I'd try not to shoot through the chrono- I caved, sue me ).

So again- 28.5" draw Admiral, 71 pounds, heavy loop, big ugly tie in nock, heavy brass nock, meta peep, all the factory silencers, 375 grain arrow. I said a little archery prayer "if it does 275 I'll be happy- really...275 FPS and I'll be happy, I swear, 275 FPS is just fine..I'm OK with 275" Then I let her rip.

290 FPS first shot
290 FPS second shot

Considering the brace height, draw length, junk on the string, and absolute silence and lack of recoil, I'm tickled pink. I've had plenty of bows that would zip a light arrow along at 290-300 FPS, but I've never shot anything remotely this fast that felt like shooting a kids bow with a 500 grain arrow. Yes the draw is pretty stout (though the drop to 28.5" inches cut down alot of the back end load up),but this bow at full draw and at the shot is amazing. Kudos to Bowtech (now if they could just get them to draw like the freedom cam, it would be perfect!)

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Sounds like a nice bow. Why don't they make it in 32" draw length?

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JeffB, a lot of people have described the admiral as feeling like a longer ata bow even though its ata is short. Would you say you felt that too?

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Like many short bows, just not possible unless they really jacked up the brace height. That said, if nock pinch at 28.5" is bad, I guarantee 32" is gonna drive you insane

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

I don't understand your nock pinch dilemna Jeff at 28.5" because I too shot 28.5" on my Admiral. I tie nocksets above and below my arrow nock and use a standard BCY loop, (as seen in Greg/MO's thread at the top) nothing more and I have NO nock pinch. Neither with my large CXL nocks (3D) or G nock on my ACC's.



With a heavy Super Peep with Verifier lens,

At 71 lbs, 380 grain arrow I'm seeing 293 at 28.5". At 63 lbs, 316 grain arrow I'm see 300 fps. I'm very impressed with this as well.

And as far as the question about ATA, I feel it does exceed the feel of a short bow.

Amazingly quiet too.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Jeff, I'm shooting mine at 29 inch draw with 340 Axis for hunting with a loop and Carter Quickie. I don't get any nock pinch with my set up. I have a small tied-in below the nock and nothing but the loop knot above. Got a picture of your set up?

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I've not heard that, but I'd say that's a pretty accurate statement. Its extremely well balanced and with the CP riser design it has a very neutral (in a good way) feel compared to a hard reflex like so many other bows. It holds/aims VERY well- especially considering the A2A. The Captain does too. Ugly or not, ergonomically there are some noticeable advantages to the CP riser design.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Good numbers considering the weight on the string and the fact that you have an adjustable draw cam.You are losing some fps for that but not much.


How is the draw length measuring out?

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Russ- Now I have mine setup like yours- other than my tie in is big and ugly (along with the brass nock above the top not of the loop).

No camera at the moment so it would be

brass nock
top knot of loop
arrow nock
very small gap
big ugly tie in nock
bottom knot of loop

Rob- The nock pinch was with just using a straight loop- no tie ins (which I've not had issue with on other 31"-ish bows) Your setup alleviates the problem. (and BTW is very sweet! looks great- I caved and ordered a Limb Driver myself, we'll see how I like it)

Once I get rid of the brass nock and tie in a nock there I'll pick up a few FPS as well, though I'm not concerned.

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I agree whole heartedly and have from the moment BT came out with the design,the idea is not a new one but to my knowledge,no one has ever done it the way BT does.

I even gave them a try with the guardian but the draw cycle was just something I couldn't get past and the rounded grip that was on the guardian was just something I can't shoot.Of course if the draw cycle would have been manageble,I could get an aftermarket grip.

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Heyya T- Draw measured out basically 28 5/8" (I tinkered with the draw stop a tad to get a bit less letoff than 80%- I'd say at the normal 80% draw stop setting for 28.5" it would measure 28.75" AMO (which is within AMO spec of =/- 1/4" ). It's right there with my GT500 which measured 28.75" (28.5" cams)

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I believe you will be happy with the limbdriver.I would have to have the containment arm.Might have to try and get another bow and put one on it.:D

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

1/4" is acceptable,I would probably even prefer it.I kinda fall in the middle anyway.

My Alphamax was only an 1/8" over,as is my xtec.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

yeah- I'm inbetween as well- generally 28 3/4 to 28 7/8" " so with a slightly longer loop I'm good.

I kinda "cheaped out" a bit and went with a Cobra Double Diamond fall away- poor man's Trophy Taker. Its a good rest for the $, but it is no TT when it comes to "solid". So I decided to give the limb driver a try since I love the general idea (just don't like that extra long cable).

I'm off to bed now, but I have another good thread for the morning- No hints- just gotta say I love my friends at the Pro-shop- you'll see why tomorrow

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Heere's a pic of my loop..

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Weird pic I know but had to use a flashlight because the lense is so far out in front of the flash...

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Put a brass nock above the loop, and make the tie in bigger and uglier and thats what I have Russ-

My loop is oversized too because A) to deal with the oversized(i.e. long) tie in and B) I needed a tad more effective draw length.

It doesn't look great but it works. I'll "clean it up" at some point in the future.

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Jeff I think if you tie a nock set and Loop per Gregs thread you will eliminate any problems. I've tied several in for guys at 29" & 30" and never a problem yet.

I Love the CP bows they really are just a pure pleasure to shoot.

Dan

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Glad you are happy with the new bow Jeff. Those are good numbers for sure.


Ed

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Thx guys- all is good with the loop- at least as far as actually working correctly- arrow flight was brilliant. It's just my horrible looking tie in nock. I never ever could make those things look pretty like some people can. I avoid shoes with laces too- if I can help it

Cannot wait to get back to the shop Friday evening and start getting this bow dialed in.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Jeff, invest in a Viper D-Loop pliers and you'll get some 'tweet tiny d-Loops'.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Jeff,

Glad to see you are happy with the bow. I have yet to chrono any of my new bows but now you have me interested in giving each one a go to see how they perform.

Other than the draw cycle is there anything else you find objectionable about it.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Keith- I believe thats what Tommy at the shop used-crazy looking thing. Works well. The loop is a little long to look at but the draw length is fine. I felt a little bit cramped up with the smaller loop I had on it initially and my Tru-Ball Short & Sweet. as I said, maybe over time I'll get that brass nock off and "clean up" the knots, but for now it works fine, and I'm happier than a pig in you know what with the performance. Getting 4-6 more FPS would just be obnoxious bragging

Frank- Nothing objectionable as of yet- I don't have a ton of arrows on it- I have a couple of nitpicks though-nothing to make me regret the purchase, just little annoyances.

1) As mentioned in the lefty admiral thread, the draw stop screw needs to be replaced- it's going to be way too easy to strip that screw head.

2) I think the multitude of miniscule/hard to see timing dots is a bit much- My eyes are not what they used to be I have a really hard time checking them- Half the number of dots and bigger would work just fine.

3) The grip could/should be squared off a bit more- it is a bit more difficult to repeat your grip by feel because it is rounded off.

4) Cable clearance is a little tight with blazers and I can see the edge of the cables in my sight picture


Nothing major- #s 1 & 3 are the biggest "issues" IMO.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

I couldn't agree more.;)

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Jeff, I shot my Captain a little more today, many similarities to the Admiral, but with a tad more A to A. I Love the way this thing shoots.

Haven't got serious with tuning, checking speed, etc.yet, but as much as I liked the Guardian (it was my go to Bow in 07) I think I like the Captain better.

Now if my Sentinel, and Air Raid come in I'll have a tough road to figure out who gets starting privledges this spring and fall.

Dan

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Jeff, you nailed most of the 'negs' 100%. Especially the grip. I took a sander to mine, using 800 grit sandpaper and polished the grip to the point the back is almost 'flat'. She nowsits well in the palm, soild andvery littleside to side movement.

Regarding the loop, you can get a solid 'tight' smallloop with the d-loop pliers if you use the BCY # 24 Poly.
On the other hand, the Paradox 2.5 nylon round braid and the Gibbs Super loop material stretches too much before it tightens to the string, thus elongating into a U-loop instead of a D-loop.
But I do understand your concern with the claws of the release. I shoot with the Scott NSC wildcat, quite a tiny release head, so my d-loops are no more than 3/8"...just enough to easily slip behind the nock and inside of the loop with a hair or two clearance.

RE: Admiral performance is very impressive!
 

Jeff, there is a company, www.torqueless.com that makes really nice replacement grips for Bowtechs. I put one on my 06 Tribute and love it. It has a nice flat surface vs. the rounded stock one. I think you would really like this grip. Made all the difference in the world to me.

Shane

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TFOX -indeed. Coming off the GT-500 which is so easily repeatable and comfy it's taking a little to get used to.

Dan- I really wanted that brace height of the Admiral (for hunting), that and it drew a tad smoother. I think the Captain may have actually been more quiet apples to apples- If the Captain had more brace height I would have gone with it depite the little bit stiffer back end. regardless- I'm very happy with the Admiral!

Keith- how do you like that wildcat? I saw that at the shop- looked interesting.

Shane- thanks for that link! - I'm def gonna check into that if only for curiosities sake.

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It is kinda interesting that when Hoyt came out with the cam 1/2 in 03,the Ultratec and most of their bows had a radius on the back of the grip(very similar to Bt).I had some really good days with that bow but it was really hard to stay consistant with that grip.Seems like I heard that the Hoyt pro staff threw a fit about the grip and they changed them the following year and they haven't changed it since.Even on the hunting bows with wood grips.If you remove the grip,it is the same flat grip.

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I like the trigger design so as to gain some DL, the smallhead and the NCS system with the velcro wrist band. I'm not for the buckle strap.
Just one down side, when ascending a climbing stick the release head tends to contact the stick, that as youknow sounds an ugly alarm, so prior to getting in and out my stand I secure the release head with a rubber band. I hate a metalic soundin the woods, very unusual. Stepping on a twig isn't life or death, the deer themselves do that, but man a ring from metal on metal give me goose bumps.[:@]

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Great looking grips Shane. I just ordered myself one for my Guardian and another for my 82nd. I wish they had the Evergreen 147, that's really a neat color scheme.
I ordered the medium wrist and competition nose.
Thanks a bunch.

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Been there...done that but with the Ice Man. The screw on the individual Admiral that I have wasn't a problem though I agree that a screw with a larger hole is warranted. I replaced mine with a larger screw and have not had any problems since. I have a pic of it somewhere. I will see if I can find it.

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No problem, I think you will like them. I have been happy with mine.

Shane