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piketon_hunter#9 01-06-2009 04:07 PM

paper tuning
 
i just got my 09 admiral, and had it paper tuned before i took it home... when i sighted it in, it shot low no matter how far up i moved the sights, so i moved the rest up. i knw this will throw the bow out of tune, but it shoots very accurately now. i may be able to adjust the sightso it will move up more, not sure..


will my bow be out of tune that bad? and if it is, what is this hurting?

swamp cowboy 01-06-2009 04:22 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
move your sight down not up. Always move the sight to where the arrow is hitting, it's not like a rifle scope.

TFOX 01-06-2009 04:23 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
I doubt it was tuned (correctly) before if you didn't have enough adjustment but who knows.

Have you put a broadhead on the bow to see where they hit as compared to the fieldpoints?

brucelanthier 01-06-2009 04:24 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
Paper tuning is just one method of getting a bow in tune and, IMO, shouldn't be the only one used. But, if done correctly, it can be effective. Also, part of the problem with having someone else tune your bow is that they are tuning in relation to their form and shooting ability, not yours. It seems reasonable that whoever tuned your bow had it shooting well for them but that doesn't mean it would shoot well for you so, moving the rest as you did, made it shoot well for you. Take a look at the top of this forum and there is some very good info about walk-back tuning. You may want to give that a try. Group tuning would be another way to determine how "tuned" you are also.

bigcountry 01-06-2009 05:01 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
A bow is not tuned until you can hit where you need too. And no matter what anyone says, no one can totally tune your bow. They can get it close, but one needs to account for thier form too.

And paper is just the starting point as Bruce pointed out. See if how it broadhead tunes out to 50-60 yards.

There is no reason other than form that the arrow POI is not moving with sight changes. Think about it this way, would your POI move if you held 1ft High? Sure would not matter how bad tune it is.

A paper setup is easy to make, I highly suggest it. ONly hard part is stopping that arrow. I seem to wear out range bags every year and every once in a while, I hit it hit the wall behind my garage.

TFOX 01-06-2009 08:24 PM

RE: paper tuning
 


ORIGINAL: swamp cowboy

move your sight down not up. Always move the sight to where the arrow is hitting, it's not like a rifle scope.

If in fact that is what he is doing,good catch.I took it as he was trying to move the arrows up by adjusting the sight but you may be correct.

Remember to always follow your arrow.

SouthDakotaHunter 01-06-2009 08:50 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: swamp cowboy

move your sight down not up. Always move the sight to where the arrow is hitting, it's not like a rifle scope.
x2



OHbowhntr 01-06-2009 10:17 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: piketon_hunter#9

i just got my 09 admiral, and had it paper tuned before i took it home... when i sighted it in, it shot low no matter how far up i moved the sights, so i moved the rest up. i knw this will throw the bow out of tune, but it shoots very accurately now. i may be able to adjust the sightso it will move up more, not sure..


will my bow be out of tune that bad? and if it is, what is this hurting?
As another alluded to, you need to "chase the arrow," therefore, you need to move the sight DOWN if the arrow are hitting low. Also, if the peep wasn't installed in the correct place you can run into issues similar to this with that. More than likely you just needed to adjust the sight CORRECTLY though. After figuring that out, Broadhead Tuning can get you ready to cut some "X's."

piketon_hunter#9 01-07-2009 02:00 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: swamp cowboy

move your sight down not up. Always move the sight to where the arrow is hitting, it's not like a rifle scope.
sorry, thts what i meant lol

piketon_hunter#9 01-07-2009 02:02 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: TFOX

I doubt it was tuned (correctly) before if you didn't have enough adjustment but who knows.

Have you put a broadhead on the bow to see where they hit as compared to the fieldpoints?

i havent, i use TR undertakers.... supposedly they fly like field tips

piketon_hunter#9 01-07-2009 02:04 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: bigcountry

A bow is not tuned until you can hit where you need too. And no matter what anyone says, no one can totally tune your bow. They can get it close, but one needs to account for thier form too.

And paper is just the starting point as Bruce pointed out. See if how it broadhead tunes out to 50-60 yards.

There is no reason other than form that the arrow POI is not moving with sight changes. Think about it this way, would your POI move if you held 1ft High? Sure would not matter how bad tune it is.

A paper setup is easy to make, I highly suggest it. ONly hard part is stopping that arrow. I seem to wear out range bags every year and every once in a while, I hit it hit the wall behind my garage.
the poi moved, just not enough.... my friend just got the same bow and rest at the same place and had to do the same.

piketon_hunter#9 01-07-2009 02:07 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
wow i just read all the responses, haha i had a bad choice of words... i was following the arrow with my sight, in hope that it would bring my arrows UP. it did, just not enough

muzzyman88 01-07-2009 02:26 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
One thing I don't think anyone mentioned was that someone else papertuned your bow. It might be close for you, but in my experience, the bow will shoot different through paper for you than it did the other guy. You hold the bow different and put different pressure on the handle than the other guy does and will usually cause a different type of tear.

piketon_hunter#9 01-08-2009 04:00 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: muzzyman88

One thing I don't think anyone mentioned was that someone else papertuned your bow. It might be close for you, but in my experience, the bow will shoot different through paper for you than it did the other guy. You hold the bow different and put different pressure on the handle than the other guy does and will usually cause a different type of tear.
true, i can stack arrows from 40 so i guess im bein paranoid... after the season goes out here in ohio ill take it up to the bt shop and have it tuned, with me shooting it

KodiakArcher 01-08-2009 04:36 PM

RE: paper tuning
 
Paper tuning is just a very basic start. Actually it's so basic that I eyeball the set-up and skip paper tuning all together to move on to bare shaft tuning. Once I have bare shafts hitting with fletched shafts out to 30 or 40 yards I'll screw on a couple broadheads to broadhead tune but I haven't had to touch anything on any rig I've bare shaft tuned. Broadheads drop right in the same holes as FP's but it's still good to check and be sure.

OHbowhntr 01-08-2009 09:13 PM

RE: paper tuning
 

ORIGINAL: piketon_hunter#9

i havent, i use TR undertakers.... supposedly they fly like field tips
If for nothing else, just to TUNE your bow, go buy a pack of Muzzy or Thunderhead BH's, and BH tune your bow. If you're not sure how, check out this link... http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=539460 , it's the best step by step instructions I could possibly give someone. BH tuning your bow will help you shoot even your FP's better when you are finished.



ORIGINAL: piketon_hunter#9

true, i can stack arrows from 40 so i guess im bein paranoid... after the season goes out here in ohio ill take it up to the bt shop and have it tuned, with me shooting it
You really don't even need to do this, just follow the instructions in the link above, and you will very likely be good to go. The only thing I might be concerned about is if you are moving your sight correctly, and still not getting things where they need to be is getting someone to put your peep where it SHOULD be.

Sorry, no offense intended, I have a hard time buyingthis after reading your first post on this thread, not trying to put you on the carpet, but if you can't get your sight set up right, it's a tough sell that you "stack arrows at 40yds." Take some BH's, you pick the brand, make sure they spin TRUE on your arrows and follow those instructions for BH tuning in the link provided, and in the end, your bow will be pretty well tuned. Good Luck and Good Hunting!!!

piketon_hunter#9 01-10-2009 10:21 AM

RE: paper tuning
 
haha, maybe not stacked... def inside of four inches though. thanks for the info & the link


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