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Old 12-10-2008 | 04:44 PM
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Will a back tension release help me with my release/not punching the trigger? I have done some research on this subject but not a whole lot, just giving it some consideration. Will it be ok to use for hunting (especially when spot and stalk/ground hunting like i do)? What is a good mid price release I could get started with? Recommendations?
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Old 12-10-2008 | 05:50 PM
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Will a back tension release help me with my release/not punching the trigger? I have done some research on this subject but not a whole lot, just giving it some consideration. Will it be ok to use for hunting (especially when spot and stalk/ground hunting like i do)? What is a good mid price release I could get started with? Recommendations?

No. Infact, it will probably make it worse. Your target panic problem is not in the release.... its in the releaser (read: YOU).

If you are talking about a pure BT release... and not a thumb trigger... then its really not something designed for hunting. T-Handles work fine for hunting... but most poeple don't shoot them correctly.

The only release that immediately comes to mind that will help you is like a Carter Evolution.... and its anything but mid-priced.

You need to do some simple shootnig drills with the release you have. If you have a release with a super light/hair trigger.... start by making it heavier.... you should be able to rest your finger on it and start applying pressure.

Go back to ten yards.... and shoot at a BIG bullseye... like a paper plate.... focus all your attention on AIMING.... NOT SHOOTING... AIMING.... draw the bow... aim at the center.... hold it for like 30 seconds.... let down.... have your finger on the trigger... don't shoot the arrow.... just aim. I think you'll find about the time you are right on it.... you'll either involuntarily shoot... or you'll have one of those full body flinches.

Blank bale works the same way.... just focus on aiming.... not shooting.
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Old 12-10-2008 | 06:26 PM
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Let me rephrase that about target panic -- I dont think its as much target panic as it is my finger slipping off the trigger when I'm not expecting it to. What you described above is what seems to be happening ( the full body flinch). Its not like I say "trigger in 3...2...1 NOW" I usually take aim and try to concentrate on a very small point at the target. However, sometimes when I subconsciously go to shoot I get the full body flinch. I have thought it may just be that I am not thinking about it and my muscle is so relaxed that its not actually hitting the trigger hard enough (making me think I need to back some bolts out on the release so I can get more of a suprise release). When it doesn't happen I usually am touching arrows at 20 yds. I also think I may be over stretching my finger in order to get it fully on the trigger ( the gap between the release and the wrist strap is too far -- it IS adjustable). Your thoughts Mr. Duck Hunter?
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Old 12-10-2008 | 06:28 PM
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Also should add that when I do get that flinch my finger is always slipped off the trigger. Its like my subconscience pulls the trigger but my finger misses and my brain just says OH SHAT!!! In other words I don't see it coming until after it happens if that makes sense
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Old 12-10-2008 | 06:36 PM
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That sir,is full fledged TARGET PANICK.


Heavy trigger and aiming drills along with blank bail can cure it.There are no short cuts.
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Old 12-10-2008 | 06:50 PM
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That sir,is full fledged TARGET PANICK.


Heavy trigger and aiming drills along with blank bail can cure it.There are no short cuts.
What he said.
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Old 12-10-2008 | 07:32 PM
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Let me rephrase that about target panic -- I dont think its as much target panic as it is my finger slipping off the trigger when I'm not expecting it to. What you described above is what seems to be happening ( the full body flinch). Its not like I say "trigger in 3...2...1 NOW" I usually take aim and try to concentrate on a very small point at the target. However, sometimes when I subconsciously go to shoot I get the full body flinch.
That is your subconscious (which has been improperly trained) screaming NOW.... and your conscious mind stopping yourself. You got the little devil and the little angel on either shoulder.

My target panic was a little more clear cut... you are trying to stop yourself... which in my mind shows you know you got it... you just don't want to admit it. Brother, ain't nobody I know of that hasn'thad target panic... not anybody whose been shooting more than two weeks. But its kinda like the clap.... you gotta get rid of it or you'll have it forever.

I have thought it may just be that I am not thinking about it and my muscle is so relaxed that its not actually hitting the trigger hard enough (making me think I need to back some bolts out on the release so I can get more of a suprise release).
Its quite the opposite. Every muscle is really very tense. You shouldn't be hitting the trigger period. You should have your finger on it. I hate long releases for just that reason.... when you try and relax and at the same time try to reach up to the trigger... you can creep the bow. That will make you freak out too. Shorten that thing up to the first joint in your finger (middle/main joint). You'll be able to lay your finger on it, and pull through the shot is much much easier that way. I know a few guys who shoot long releases and actually have the mindset to pull the trigger smooth like they would on a rifle... two of them are Navy Seal Snipers, the other one is an army sniper (probably half my customers are military.... with the largest Navy base in the world right here in Norfolk/VA beach and two or three huge Army and AF bases in 20 minutes of each other).... common ground is they have some of the best available training in the world on trigger control... and right or wrong, it works for them. Everyone else (you and I included) have to go about it another way.

When it doesn't happen I usually am touching arrows at 20 yds. I also think I may be over stretching my finger in order to get it fully on the trigger ( the gap between the release and the wrist strap is too far -- it IS adjustable). Your thoughts Mr. Duck Hunter?
yeah you are over stretching. And the reason you can slap shafts at 20 is because you have focused on something else... like JUST slapping the trigger.


Also should add that when I do get that flinch my finger is always slipped off the trigger. Its like my subconscience pulls the trigger but my finger misses and my brain just says OH SHAT!!! In other words I don't see it coming until after it happens if that makes sense
What kind of release are you shoot right now?

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Old 12-10-2008 | 09:37 PM
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The BT release will not be good for hunting at all! Its very easy, to accidently make a BT release go off if you are not experienced with it, and even when you are, a hunting situation makes all of those form things, so muchharder to do.

I actuallyseem to goback and forth with tp,where every couple months (maybe 3-4) i will start getting into a bad habit of tp, and start punching the trigger. for the next week or so ofshooting, i have to go into "bail mode". I have to make myself blank bale,adn do like SC said and aim without shooting. The aiming without shooting and letting down is what personally helps me the most.I do that from time to time even when im shooting good, just tocheck up myself and make suremy mind is right when going into shooting. Its hard to make yourself go out and aim adn not shoot. Shooting is the satisfying part, but you have to have the discipline to get your mind right so shooting is second nature.

Setting up your release short will help you too. My trigger is in the perfect spot where my finger is just bent/hanging over the trigger. Then instead of squeezing the trigger, you lay your finger over the trigger, and pull back like your trying to tear apart your bow (pull through the shot) and the release will come asa surprise. It is something that takes a bit to aquire, but once learned itwill make you more accurate. You are incorporating back tension into atrigger release.
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Old 12-10-2008 | 09:52 PM
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I also benefited most from aiming drills.
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Old 12-11-2008 | 06:40 AM
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Along with what the other guys have said I would add that it also sounds like you are shooting with the tip of your finger. NOT GOOOD! Try shortening the release so when you draw and anchor the trigger is between the first and second joints of the finger so you don't have to reach for it.

Something else you might try on a temporary basis is shooting with your middle finger and not the index finger. Index finger is way too sensitive.
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