Single or Double caliper release ??
 

I currently use a Scott Little Goose release and have no complaints but I am looking into a new bow for next year and was wondering if I should be using a double caliper release like the Scott Sabertooth ?

I shoot fine now but could I shoot better with a double caliper or would there be no difference ?

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I have both, and can't tell the difference. Only thing I have to have is a buckle release. This is a must.

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Releases are very subjective. Scott makes a great release... but personally... I hate'em. Great quality and all... I can't shoot with them. WAY too touchy.

I like a double... reason being is all I have to do is release the trigger to close the jaws.... also... its a lot easier to shoot with gloves on.... but mostly because the slightly heavier trigger allows me to lay my whole finger on the trigger while I'm aiming.

I shoot a Tru-Fire Hurricane. Like big, I have to have a buckle... anyone hunting should too.... I also like one that is adjustable length wise becaues I have very short fingers and I like to shoot with the trigger in the middle/first joint on my finger.

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for hunting situationsi agree with you about the touchiness of a release. Idk if i could shoot my little bitty goose with gloves on. But on the other hand, the iidea when releasing is to not have to try and release, b/c it will make you move. I lay my finger on the trigger and pull through using bt. I have tightened my trigger up before nad made it less sensitive but i couldnt not pull through nearly as well, making my releases less clean and fluid.

It seems like its really all about what makes you shoot the best. but to answer your question, no, the sabertooth will not shoot better than the little goose, although, you might be able to shoot better with the sabertooth.
Derek

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I use a scott....and yes it is very touchy. I just put my middle finger behind it and hold it forward until im ready to shoot. Then i use my pointer finger to release. It works for me with gloves.

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I don't like a touchy trigger either but I highly prefer a single caliper over a double.

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With you there all the way. I let my subconscious drive the shot. So I don't exactly release when my mind screams NOW... but I don't sit there all day just pulling either (because thats not how BT works really).

In my situation with a heavier trigger, the idea when releasing is doing so when you are actually ON TARGET. Let's just say I had a bad experience with a Tru-Ball Copperhead about two months ago.... frankly it was because the thing was too long and I couldn't reach it with my short cajun fingers. Suffice it to say that Axis arrows are very tough.... but a concrete floor is still tougher. And yes they do skip.

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I like a double as well, I don't know if all the Scott releases are like the two I tried, but they were almost TOO SMALL to fit around my wrist. I didn't mind the release as much as the damned things were TOO SMALL. I also shoot a Tru-Fire Hurricane, and a Tru-Ball Tornado w/ a buckle, both of which I think are equally good releases.

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Too small,no such thing.[8D]

Here is my Short & Sweet II made by Tru ball.

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I cant believe the scotts are too small to fit around your wrist! Im HUGE and im in the 2nd loop from being bottomed out... It has stretched a tad over time but only one hole. Maybe i have skinny wrist lol!?!

SC, I agree with you about releasing being a subconcius thing. Regardless of what works best for you, as long as you dont have to think "SHOOT" your probably doing all right.
Derek

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TFOX -- Does that super short release give you a longer DL than say a normal sized one?

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That isn't my goal,it might do it but it actually puts my fingers in the proper shooting position.I actually shoot a long loop to accomidate my anchors.I don't try to squeeze anything out of my setups,other than accuracy.






Notice how my son does it as well.We do it very close to the same,except I let my middle finger float,which gives the appearance in my pic that I am releasing with it.

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Oh,and he is using a little bitty goose.;)

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I might just try one of those short things to see if I can squeeze any more speed out of my 82nd. Of course, if it doesn't feel right, I won't stick with it. I am an x-finger shooter and got used to having something to hold onto. That is why I use the tru-fire hurricane that has the nice big pad for me to grab onto. It's just a mental thing. I have trouble trusting my wrist.

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^ If you are looking for speed shoot a handheld and a small loop. You can adjust the little bitty goose all the way in as well. I had it all the way in just experimenting and couldnt even touch the triggerhardlylol!
Derek

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Making a trigger that touchy can lead to target panick and is really hard to relax into the shot so it really isn't advisable.

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I was referring to the length the release goes in or out (distance head is from wrist strap). I was assuming BS was trying to find a way to get more speed by changing the release mechanics. If you make the release shorter, you can lengthen DL which in turn would make more speed? I wouldnt do it, but some do.

Pertaining to speed... the first time i chronoed my 101st it was at 29" of draw. It went 316. I bumped up the draw to 29.5" and shot it, through the exact same chronoe at gandermtn. and it went 318. 1/2" gave me 2fps. Ive heard people say that 1" of draw is about 10fps[>:] I know each bow is different but i dont thinkk that rule of thumbis accurate at all for most. Like I said before, speed is not an issue with me, and i could care less, but i do like to say the changes that certain things do to my bow. In turn, I dont believe that altering your form would be worthy of time for speed BS. Just a thought...
Derek

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My loop is as small as it can be and still fit my tru-fire on it.

I don't like the hand held for hunting because I have heard of people getting up into the stand and attaching their hand held to the string. When the deer comes by, they accidentally bump it and it falls to the ground. For this reason, I want something on my wrist.

I'll give a try and see how it comes out.

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Sorry,I should have known that,must be getting late.:eek:

You really should have seen more of a gain.I have noticed on some chronographs that if you don't shoot through in the same place,it makes a difference on how it reads as well.Maybe that played a role in your results.

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You couldn't hit mine and make it fall off,no way would I have my trigger set that light,however,I am scared to death to take such an expensive release into the woods to hunt with and actually prefer my wrist release for hunting.

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Im going to take my carter insatiable thumb into the woods next year. It has a lock on it but i will definately take my wrist strap as well. I dont know how many times that will last lol!

btw, i just remembered, when i shot it at 315 the first time when i first got the bow, i was shooting the first batch ofmy xringers that i made up. they weighed in at308. my new ones(cut a little longer with blazer instead of 3d duravanes)they weighed 317. Im guessing that the9 or so gr. made a difference of a fps or two. I guess my results were a littleoff b/c of weightdifference. sorry, didnt think about it until now.
Derek

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That makes sense.

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No, I mean the strap is TOO SMALL on the ones I tried out. Not sure what the deal was, maybe they were small sized or something, not sure.

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^That is weird. Mine is plenty big for my wrist. I have plenty of holes left. Must of been a youth or something like that.
Derek

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This is my release of choice!

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I am not 100% clear on the difference between the two. I'm guessing that the double capiler is one where both sides of the grabber move, and a single capiler is one where only one side of the grabber moves. Is this right?

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^Exactly.
Here is my newest one

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Exactly,that must be why I misread it OH because I haven't ever seen this as a problem.

Man,I was out of it last night.[&:]

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May have been small wrist straps on them then, but I tried out a couple different ones when I was shopping for a release, and the one of them was so damned small I had to have help getting it on. I told the guy I wasn't interested in it, and he more or less talked me into shooting a few arrows with it before "making up my mind." And I don't have HUGE wrists by any means, I have a couple holes on both my Tru-ball and Tru-Fire releases, but neither of the Scott releases I tried were big enough for my wrist.