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60#'s might be conservative for me when shooting spots, or in the back yard, but when hauling my big arse around ona 3d course for 20-40 targets, that element of size and strength turns into morefatigue in the long run lol.Especially when its hot! Last year when I shot the Daviess county 3d, i was pulling 70#'s and it was a 40 target shoot in 80+ degree weather. My last 6 or so targets were bad due to fatigue. Thatswhen i decided that i would no longer shoot a 70# bow in comp. of any kind. And since i typically only shoot a few arrows at deerper year, I figured why have a 70# bow, for 1-3 shots per year when i probablyshoot 5k or moreshots per year? That easily justified my reasoning for less poundage. Not only that, but I played high school baseball and already have an elbow issue, and my father has a bad shoulder, so im trying to let myarchery days last as long as my body permits, and if that means to sacrifice speed, so be it. Derek

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I did a 50 shot course in 90°F heat (yes, it gets that hot in Minnesota) with my 82nd at 73#. It was hell, but I didn't do too badly. Granted, I knew the course pretty well. We aren't serious at the shoots, so I don't want to hear anything about 280 fps speed limits and me cheating. There was guy that was getting 370 fps out of a super-tuned x-force at IBO specs. It's not or money, it's for fun.

Anyway, I think that you guys gave me some great advice because I need to work on my form a lot. For a guy that shots nearly 20,000 shots a year, I not that good. I just worked my way up to max poundage for hunting season (I'll probably do it again next season). It was fun while it lasted, but now it's time to get serious and maybe win the Techno hunt league. That is my favorite thing.

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I'll have to see what TVA does for my 82nd. I doubt that it could get 320 fps at 60# with 308 grain arrows right now if I am only getting 335 fps with 369.5 grain arrows at 73#. I was just about to stick the speed tapes on my HHA sight. They sent me some special ones because the ones that come with the sight are not fast enough for my 82nd. I'm a little disappointed about loosing the speed, but I know that being super accurate is way cooler. I guess that I really wanted both 335 fps and a 300 60x on spots. My shop pros joke with me saying that if I practice enough, I'll be the first to win FITA with an 82nd.

Anyway, I'll give it a 1000 shots, which I think is very generous. Plenty of time until hunting season now.

Derek, I am not getting 50-60#. Sorry man, but I'll get the 60-70# and leave it low. You can get them down to 57# anyway, which is pretty low for me. I'm no giant, but my back and shoulders are pretty huge.

I promise you will see more than 320Fps. If not, then i will go and check some more chronographs lol! My bow ibo's at 340, yours at 350. If you set your bow at 61#'s and were to use one of my arrows at 308gr. i gurantee you get at least 5-10fps more than me. As far as you not getting a 50-60# bow, thats cool. If you can get your bow down to 60ish thats awesome. I honestly didnt realize there was that much flexibility in the BT's. when you send your bow to TVA,you shouldhave them set the draw weight then b/c they will set your tiller accordingly. Just a suggestion. Im sure you will be curious to see how much their tune will help your speed. As far as the speed tapes go, i know what your talking about. with my hunting sight, when using it for target (hunter class) My first pin is at 20yds, 2nd atabout 38b/c i couldnt get my second pin any closer to the first lol! When are you having it setup at TVA. you still have to have the strings built dont you? Derek

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Yeah it blows trying to geta fast bow down to ASA lol! Im shooting 3 ASA events this year and still need to find my arrows to get me down to 285 or so. This is my first yearwith a "speed" bow so im still figuring stuff out with it. Im actually going to set my hunter setup up for ASA so I dont have to worry about changing tapes and stuffon the slider. That and I cant hang withthe big boysin open classanyways:D

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I don't know. I am having John make me some a sweet Bucknasy set in blaze orange and white with white servings, which he said are actually clear. If Vapor Trail had those colors, I would go through them, but they don't so, John gets my business.

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Ways to help hold steadier:
#1: Shoot a longer ATA bow. It's harder to manipulate a longer bow around the target.
#2: Have a heavier bow. I can remember pouring lead into the riser voids of an old Golden Eagle spot bow so it weighed more and sat better on target (see #1).
#3: Develope the muscles necessary to hold the bow at full draw. (Weight training or repetative practice but Olympians use both).
#4: Use #3 and proper form to help you relax at full draw. Tension causes muscle fatigue, causes pin float. Chill!

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I totally agree with #2. I added every bowjax accessory to weigh my 82nd down. It's so heavy, the guys I hunt with tell me I'd be better off clubbing the deer than shooting it.

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That sounds awesome!! I was thinking about orange and silver. Not to be a copy cat, but we live about a thousand miles away so... I might be switching to VT's. Im working on getting on their staff for 09[8D] I love the LD and am sure there strings are great as well. If not i will be trying a local guy out that TFOX recommended to me for strings.

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I talk to a VT rep and am convinced that VTX is the best string fiber available. I have more than 10,000 shots on this set and there is not peep rotation, the servings look great and there is no fraying.

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Another way to help steady your pin is to shoot a stabilizer that around 8+" with a weight forward design. it will slow your pin movement down a bit as well.