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mossbergman11/OH 11-16-2008 02:55 PM

new stabilizer?
 
can i get a new stabilizer for my bear lights out? the stabilizer that i have came with it when i bought it and it is very unattractive becasue it is so long but it works very well. what stabilizer do yo u reccommend?

Bullet Hole Bailey 11-16-2008 06:29 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
dude....use the search option, and yer brain....not saying that they are stupid questions but there a ton of em and they all have been answered time and time again and im sure if you search a little bit youll find what you want.

BHB

btw....i use the Z coil stabilizer and thats waht a lot of people on here use and everyone ive talked to bout it likes it.

mossbergman11/OH 11-16-2008 07:05 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: Bullet Hole Bailey

dude....use the search option, and yer brain....not saying that they are stupid questions but there a ton of em and they all have been answered time and time again and im sure if you search a little bit youll find what you want.

BHB

btw....i use the Z coil stabilizer and thats waht a lot of people on here use and everyone ive talked to bout it likes it.
search option? what that?

OHbowhntr 11-16-2008 08:49 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: Bullet Hole Bailey

dude....use the search option, and yer brain....not saying that they are stupid questions but there a ton of em and they all have been answered time and time again and im sure if you search a little bit youll find what you want.

BHB

btw....i use the Z coil stabilizer and thats waht a lot of people on here use and everyone ive talked to bout it likes it.
Come on Patrick, he's a 13yo kid!!! And the search option don't really work any time I've ever tried it. Sure they may seem like silly questions, but you gotta remember how much you knew as a 13yo kid, and if he doesn't have anyone to help him, then we're his "mentors."

You can put all kinds of different stabilizers on your bow kid, take your pick, they all have a universal threading system, so you should be just fine. In all honesty, I'm shooting a cheap $10 stabilizer on all 3 of my bows, and I've found that it is just as good as some of the more expensive ones for me, but much cheaper. Take a look at Eastman Carbon Rod stabilizers, or you could just get a Sims S-Coil, which isn't really much of a stabilizer, but it helps a small amount.

Bullet Hole Bailey 11-16-2008 10:14 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Im sorry man....i was in one of those pissed off moods and shouldnt have said anything....please accept my apology.


But seriously you can spend upto 100 bucks on a stabilizer and I honestly dont think they do anymore than a z coil or anyother 20 $ stabilizer. If my bow didnt need a lil shock dampener i honstly probably wouldnt even shoot one. Im not expert target shooter but I can keep grapefruit groups out to 60 yards (on a good day:D) haha. But seriously...id get something cheap if you dont plan on target shooting a bunch.

Black Stick 11-17-2008 08:35 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
I've never seen a z coil (maybe I have, but I didn't know it). Can you post a link?

I would recommend thinking about the length of the stabilizer. You probably don't want a 30"er, which is designed for target archery, but you will want one that has enough weight on the end for your bow to fall forward after the shot. You are probably planing to hunt with it, so keep it under a foot in length. It is a lot easier to drag a short stabiliser through the woods than a super long one, plus, some states require that your stabilizer be less than a certain length. In Minnesota, it's a foot. I use the Octane, which does cost $80, but it looks really cool and is just as effective as those specialty stabilizers that cost even more. Check you the link and watch the intro video. It's pretty cool.

If you have the time, read this link, it may help you. Choosing the right archery Stabilizer.

KodiakArcher 11-17-2008 12:32 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
I think he means the S-Coil by Simms. Which stabilizer you use depends on the bow, how you use it and what you're after. The stabilizer serves a couple of functions; balancing the bow to stabilize it on target, making it drop upper limb away at the shot (rather than upper limb toward you), and deadening noise/handshock. By adding more weight you're going to make the bow point better. By adding more length (and weight) you'll make it follow through after the shot better and weight along with all the trick add-ons of mercury, sand, sound suppression (Simms, Doinker...) will dampen the shot better. You'll need to pick the combination that's right for you and what you're doing. Personally I like a short, light supression system (Simms S-Coil) for my stalking and mountain hunting but if I were in a tree stand exclusively I wouldn't mind more length and weight.

FSUBIGMAC 11-17-2008 12:59 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher

I think he means the S-Coil by Simms. Which stabilizer you use depends on the bow, how you use it and what you're after. The stabilizer serves a couple of functions; balancing the bow to stabilize it on target, making it drop upper limb away at the shot (rather than upper limb toward you), and deadening noise/handshock. By adding more weight you're going to make the bow point better. By adding more length (and weight) you'll make it follow through after the shot better and weight along with all the trick add-ons of mercury, sand, sound suppression (Simms, Doinker...) will dampen the shot better. You'll need to pick the combination that's right for you and what you're doing. Personally I like a short, light supression system (Simms S-Coil) for my stalking and mountain hunting but if I were in a tree stand exclusively I wouldn't mind more length and weight.
Kodiak just about hit it on the head. I base it on this how do u hunt/what are you using the bow for. You have a lights out so I am going to assume hunting. I had an Sims S-coil -- great little stabilizer for dampening noise. As I have learned recently weight and length help you hold the pin steadier. I recently purchased a B-stinger stab.(12in17oz) but was very skeptical at first. To my suprise I was shooting sick groups. My 20 30 and 40 groups were all touching. Am i suggesting you spend this kind of money on a heavy long stab NO WAY. My advise -- have your dad take you to a store and try some out on your bow. Make sure you shoot your bow with the stabilizer on so you can compare and figure out what you like best. DON'T worry about looks. Like Kodiak mentioned -- the Doiner (7.5 in i think?) is great for vibration dampening and also will help you hold a little steadier. The S-coil is not a bad choice.


KODIAK: PM coming your way

Black Stick 11-17-2008 01:15 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
The Doinkers and Sims are great products, but I found that the Octane can match them inch for inch, is cost effective and looks great. The fact that Octane can make such a quality product that can match the bigger names that have been around much longer says a lot about the company. All I am saying is that you cannot rule them out until you try them. You'll know what you like, and it might not be Octane, which is fine. Buy what you think is best.

Black Stick 11-17-2008 01:20 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Also, if you ike a certain stabilizer, but you think it is a little too short, you can put extensions onto it. Companies like Bowjax make dampeners that screw into the end of many stabilizers. This may give you enough forward weight to tip that top limb away from you.

mossbergman11/OH 11-17-2008 06:16 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
thanks for all the info. apology accecpted BHB no problem tell me how u feel dont bite around the bush:D. BTW im 16
the stabilizer on my lights out works fine but it is just long and unattractive but i guess all good stabilizershave to be long.
thanks for the help
-Evan

Bullet Hole Bailey 11-17-2008 06:52 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Yea...thats what i meant....S coil:D

Black Stick 11-17-2008 07:11 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Wasn't sure. Thanks for the clarification. I like to think I know what products are on the market to recommend the right ones to customers at Gander Mountain. I'm kinda an unofficial employee. I do more bow work the the real employees.

Centaur 1 11-18-2008 03:58 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
You'll hear a lot of opinions about stabilizers, so here's mine.:)Most people feel that for hunting that they need a short stabilizer but if you go to a 3d shoot everyone has stabs that are 30" long. IMO, 30" is way too long to hunt with but there'sno reason to limit yourself to a 4" stab. When I started out I had a cheep 4", then I bought a 7" Doinker thinking that this was about the max size to hunt with. One day while shooting at a buddies house I tried his Switchback with a 10" stab. He insisted that walking through the woods was no problem. That started the experiment, I machined 2 pieces of 1" diameter aluminum rod about 3/8" long. I drilled and tapped a center hole for 5/16-24 then I drilled four holes to accept old arrows, about .296 diameter. Now I can screww my doinker on the end and adjust the overall length by cutting the arrow pieces to size. To make a long story short longer was better for accuracy. I decided to go with 11 1/2" overall length including the bracket for my front mount STS and a QD so it all fits in the case easily. Then I found a guy on e-bay selling 6 sims modular nodes and I won the bid for $36. I put three of them on the end of my homemade extension and they work great, I really did notice a difference over the doinker and with the other three aI made a second stab for my son. As far as it being too long, it's still shorter than the arrow sticking out the front of the bow.When you're walking around in the woods you have have to watch where your arrow tip is, if the stab is shorter it won't create a problem. Just my .02.

Black Stick 11-18-2008 07:48 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Octane has an 11.5 inch model that I have been trying to get in Mossey Oak Obsession for a long time now. I put some stabilizer jax on my 7" until the new one comes in.

FSUBIGMAC 11-18-2008 12:39 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Hey Centaur post a pic of your custom stab. I want to see how you did it -- looks interesting. How heavy is the end weight? I am at 12 in 17oz stinger and I love it. Not a pain to hunt with like I thought it might be.

Black Stick 11-18-2008 12:50 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
I'm thinking about adding those bowjax that screw into the end of the stabilizer to get to 12" and have more forward weight.

mossbergman11/OH 11-18-2008 03:51 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: Centaur 1

You'll hear a lot of opinions about stabilizers, so here's mine.:)Most people feel that for hunting that they need a short stabilizer but if you go to a 3d shoot everyone has stabs that are 30" long. IMO, 30" is way too long to hunt with but there'sno reason to limit yourself to a 4" stab. When I started out I had a cheep 4", then I bought a 7" Doinker thinking that this was about the max size to hunt with. One day while shooting at a buddies house I tried his Switchback with a 10" stab. He insisted that walking through the woods was no problem. That started the experiment, I machined 2 pieces of 1" diameter aluminum rod about 3/8" long. I drilled and tapped a center hole for 5/16-24 then I drilled four holes to accept old arrows, about .296 diameter. Now I can screww my doinker on the end and adjust the overall length by cutting the arrow pieces to size. To make a long story short longer was better for accuracy. I decided to go with 11 1/2" overall length including the bracket for my front mount STS and a QD so it all fits in the case easily. Then I found a guy on e-bay selling 6 sims modular nodes and I won the bid for $36. I put three of them on the end of my homemade extension and they work great, I really did notice a difference over the doinker and with the other three aI made a second stab for my son. As far as it being too long, it's still shorter than the arrow sticking out the front of the bow.When you're walking around in the woods you have have to watch where your arrow tip is, if the stab is shorter it won't create a problem. Just my .02.
ok that makes a lot of sense. thanks.

Black Stick 11-18-2008 05:35 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
If you do decide to put stabilizer extensions on, I strong recommend Bowjax over Sims. I tried them both and there was noticeably less vibration and noise when I switched to Bowjax.

mossbergman11/OH 11-18-2008 07:12 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: Black Stick

If you do decide to put stabilizer extensions on, I strong recommend Bowjax over Sims. I tried them both and there was noticeably less vibration and noise when I switched to Bowjax.
man you guys are like bowhunting gods:D

Black Stick 11-18-2008 08:50 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
I just like to know what I'm buying. I save money that way.

Centaur 1 11-18-2008 09:13 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: FSUBIGMAC

Hey Centaur post a pic of your custom stab. I want to see how you did it -- looks interesting. How heavy is the end weight? I am at 12 in 17oz stinger and I love it. Not a pain to hunt with like I thought it might be.
Here's a couple of pics of the finished stab, the QD is homemade also. I had to take it apart to weigh it, my scale maxes out at about 2.5 ounces(100 grams). The Sims modular nodes weigh about 2 1/4 ounces each for a total of 6 3/4 ounces with the setup that I have. The extension with the arrow shafts weighs about 1.5 ounces and the QD is about 1 1/4 ounces. Total weight is 9 1/2 ounces. I don't know if it really helps but I angled the face of the QD 10 degrees downward because it supposedly helps steady a bow with a short ATA length.








Black Stick 11-18-2008 09:15 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
I'm impressed.

Centaur 1 11-18-2008 09:33 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
This company stole my idea and they're selling a stabilizer kit. They supply the end pieces and you supply the arrow pieces cut to whatever length you want.

http://www.hi-teksports.com/hi%20tek%20stabilizers.html


Black Stick 11-18-2008 09:51 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Dude, that sucks. I suppose there is no way for you to prove that they did it. I like the multiple rod design, but I think that there needs to be dampening materials in the rods like many high end stabilizers. I would like to see an octane with three smaller rods in it and the rest of it be the same.

Centaur 1 11-19-2008 03:48 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 

ORIGINAL: Black Stick

Dude, that sucks. I suppose there is no way for you to prove that they did it. I like the multiple rod design, but I think that there needs to be dampening materials in the rods like many high end stabilizers. I would like to see an octane with three smaller rods in it and the rest of it be the same.
I'm sure that they didn't have a camera in my garage, heck Igot the idea after seeing the multi-rod doinker. I tried several times to add dampening material (sand, RTV,etc.) and I didn't notice a difference. What did make a difference was the Sims nodes over the doinker, these things work.

Black Stick 11-19-2008 07:23 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Did you try it with bowjax?

FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 10:18 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Thats pretty cool but I was refering to the sting/octane stab -- that this is sick

Black Stick 11-19-2008 11:27 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
What do you mean, you were referring to that octane stabilizer?

FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 11:59 AM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
My bad -- i think it must have been on AT or something. Some guy took an octane stab and rigged it to put the B-stinger weights on the end of it -- It is pretty sharp looking.

Black Stick 11-19-2008 12:05 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
If you can, post the picture. I'd like to see it.

FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 12:09 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
how do i add a pic


FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 12:11 PM

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heres the link anyways -- post 11 http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?p=7913178#post7913178

Black Stick 11-19-2008 12:20 PM

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Click reply.
Below the text box, on the left hand side, there is a link that says click here to upload.
A box will appear that says "Select a file to upload:"
Click Browse.
Select the file of the picture that you want to upload.
Its title will appear in the box next to the browse button that you selected.
Select "OK."
It will tell you if you successfully uploaded it.
If so, click "OK."
If not, click "Cancel" and go back and shrink the image.

Black Stick 11-19-2008 12:22 PM

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That is another way to post a pick, just include a link. I think it looks cool and might put one on mine if it is available in Mossy Oak Obsession. I would put it on after two Bowjax.

FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 12:29 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Thought you might like that


FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 12:32 PM

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did this work?

FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 12:33 PM

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YAY

Black Stick 11-19-2008 12:34 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Have you ever seen one in Mossy Oak Obsession? That is my favorite camo pattern. I will not put in unless it is in Mossy Oak Obsession because everything else on my bow is Mossy Oak Obsession if it is camo.

FSUBIGMAC 11-19-2008 12:37 PM

RE: new stabilizer?
 
Check the b stinger wesite -- im not sure what all they have. I am starting a new thread because it seems only you, me, swamo, moss, country, and dock reply


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