mathews vs. hoyt ?????
 

Hello im asking for help on what new bow i should purchse.

Ive shot both bows in the razertec in hoyt, and several modles of the mathews.

also i herd that some guys are having trouble paper tuning the hoyts??

any feed back on these two bows would be a great help thanks

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Out of the Mathews I really like the Q2XL, Legacy, Icon and the new LX. I think the Legacy might be the best all around hunting model they have if you like a short ATA bow with it being 34" . The LX is simply awsome & shot great, the only thing is the brace height is a little shorter than the Legacy but the ATA is alittle longer. Really you wouldn' t have any problems with either bow. My current hunting bow is a Q2XL which I feel is the best hunting model for me (I like longer ATA bows). Mathews are always first class bows with great quality and they shoot great!

The Hoyts I have had experience with have always been first class products also. You simply can' t go wrong with one. The new 2003 bows I have no expereince with nor have I shot one. You should be able to get some feedback on this forum regarding them. I would imagine they are like all Hoyts and are very accurate bows.


Your on your way since you have tried both brands, now start shooting them & see which one just feels better to you. either way you won' t loose and will get a great bow. Good Luck! keep us posted on what you get.

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The new Hoyts are very impressive. I have shot a good many of them and I love them. I didn' t pick one to buy one, I picked the BowTech MightyMite, but that was my prefernce. The new Mathews are awsome too, smooth, quiet, fast, but, they always just felt awkward to me. That was just my personal prefernce. Also, from what I have heard, the new cam and a half system is very easy to tune. Not only that but it is producing fast speeds, it is quieter, and O MY how smooth the draw is.

The whole choice is up to you. Don' t pick a bow because " it will be a cool bow" or because " it is the top bow" . Pick the one that fits you best. If you want some more bow choices to check out, look at the new BowTech' s, Martins, PSE' s, and Parkers. They are all very good bows.

The only complaint I have about the Hoyts is they seem to put all the weight of the bow on your hand, it doesn' t feel spread out. Well, thats not the only complaint, they are pricey [:-], well worth the money, but they still cost alot.

Whatever you choose, make sure it is the bow that FITS YOU BEST. That is ALL that matters.

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Shooting the Razortech. To tell you the truth, it has been the easiest tuning bow I have had. Yesterday I shot bare shafts with my fletched shafts and had them hitting 3" off at 20 yrds. 10 minutes later, had them grouping right along side of my fletched shafts. I will be interested to see how broadheads group. For my money, it' s very easy to tune and I especially love the smooth draw of the cam.5s.Had a great and long discussion with a Mathews shooter on the range, and we came to the conclusion that its personal preference. Good luck deciding (I know my decision was tough when I bought 3 weeks ago).:):)

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You can' t go wrong with either the Hoyt or the Mathews. It is all in what feels good to you. I went with the Hoyt because the grip is much smaller. The less hand you have on the bow for me is more accurate. Shrews makes a grip for the Mathews that is much smaller but I didn' t want to spend the extra money.

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I really liked the mathews over the hoyts as I shot them both extensively on the same day. I shot and compared the legacy to the razortech. Both smooth, but I would say the legacy was quieter. The hoyt seemed to have more kick than the legacy. I mathews was an easy decision for me over the hoyt. Give them both a try and I recommend on the same day. You will get a gut feeling which you like better.
Good-luck

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Look at other bow companies as well. this site is soo biased as far as bows are concerned. other companies make products just as good as hoyt,bowtech an matews.

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I shoot the Mathews ' FX' ; 34" ATA and 235 fps IBO rating and 71/2" Brace Height that makes it a very forgiving bow. It is extremely quiet and super accurate and at 3.3 pounds it should not be overlooked as a GREAT hunters bow.

That said, I do not feel eletist! I chose the bow that felt good and shot well for me. There are FAR too many EXCELLENT bows on the market for me to put any of them down.

I believe most of us here spent a lot of time shooting every different bow that we could lay our hands on. We each simply chose what fit us best. The fact that so many of us shoot bows from a short list should not be construed as biased. It just happens that the shooters here picked what worked best for them and that just happens to be a short list. Logically, there must be a reason.

I have bowhunted since 1963 and have owned Ben Pearson, Fred Bear, Darton, Martin, Golden Eagle and now a Mathews. I chose the Mathews FX because it works for me . . . it may not for you or others on the forum.

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Your getting 235 IBO! Is it a single limb bow or something?

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Actually that was the AMO rating. I last chronographed at 231 fps. Next week I am installing a no peep and getting rid of my kisser. This will increase my speed by as mych as 10 fps. If it improves this muck my Kinetic Energy coud improve from 55 ft-lbs to 69 ft-lbs. The stated IBO is 308 fps. So I' m doing pretti good on the numbers. And if that aint enough . . . it' s driving tacks on top of that.

The Mathews is a solid limb single cam. The 231 was the average of four chronographed readings and I will re run the chroni as soon as I get the changes made.

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dick_cress,

I was just wondering what your draw length/weight are and how heavy is your arrow? I chrono' d my 2002 Hoyt MT Sport at 244 f.p.s. with a 30" draw, 70 draw weight, and a 400 grain arrow. Its IBO speed was only in the 270 f.p.s. range. I had a set of simms string leech' s, a pair of nocks, and a dusk vision peep sight.

It just seems that your FX is incredibly slow for a bow that has a IBO rating of 308 f.p.s. I would make sure that everything is working right and everything is tuned on that bow, because it just doesn' t sound right.

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My bow is set at 67# and my draw length is 28" . I shoot 2213 Easton XX-75' s with three right helical vanes. I use a True Fire X-Caliper release in Relax to Fire method and my rest is a Quicktune 4000 Fallaway. I anso have installed Simms Limbsavers and the Simms Modular Stabilizer with three total modules. And I have two brass knocks and a peair of spider string silencers.

I presently use a peep sight and a kisser knot. Next week I am installing a No Peep Peepsight Eliminator [by Timberline Archery] that will add from 5 to 9 fps and after set up I' ll do away with the kisser knot and that will add 1 fps for an increase of 10 fps total.

My arrows are 462.9 grains and the last chroni was averaged at 231 fps:
463(231X231/450240) = 54.83 ft-lb (Kinetic Energy)

With a 10 fps increase (estimated at present)

463(241X241/450240) = 59.7 ft-lb (Kinetic Energy)

I drive tacks and it shoots perfectly through the paper. I could no doubt do better with carbons but plan to stay with alminum until they stop making them. As for the differences between IBO and AMO ratings I believe they are measured with 30" draw and 70# and if my memory serves . . . they are machine fired. In terms of AMO rating I am presently a little below the 235 (4 fps) but with the changes I' ll make next week, I' ll be well ahead at around 241.

From what I understand my bow is performing superbly. I don' t worry much about IBO and AMO ratings as much as I do KE. and so far I keep the freezer full with pass throughs.

FYI: [the following was copied from an archery website]

A.M.O.(Archery Manufacturing Organization) and I.B.O. (International Bowhunters Association) both have a method for testing arrow speed from bows and although they are different both can be used to compare equipment for relative speed. Both of the speed testing standards use a constant draw length, arrow weight and bow weight to test bow speed.

These are the ways the two differ:

A.M.O.

Under this standard the bow being tested will have a maximum pull weight of 60 lbs. The arrow will have a grain weight of 540(9 grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight). The draw length will be set at 30 inches. The chronograph used for measuring the speed will be placed at point blank range for testing.

I.B.O.

Under this standard the bow being tested will have a maximum pull weight of 70 lbs. The arrow will have a grain weight of 350(5 grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight). The draw length will be set at 30 inches. The chronograph used for measuring the speed will be placed at point blank range for testing.

What is important about these two speed ratings is that they are only to be used to compare bows speed tested under the same standard. They should NOT be used to tell you what you will personally shoot for speed.

For example lets take an average archer……Bill Bowshooter……..Bill has a 29 inch draw length shoots his bow at 65 lbs and shoots a 455 grain aluminum arrow. In our example neither the A.M.O. or the I.B.O standards will accurately reflect the speed of Bill’s bow. Since Bill is shooting a shorter draw than both standards, shooting an arrow that weighs 7 grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight, and is shooting 65 lb peak weight he will shoot at a speed very different to either standard. If we try to make some generalizations about the two different ratings we could say that the I.B.O. speed rating is much faster than most archers could achieve, and conversely the A.M.O. speed rating reflects a speed that is less than what most shooters could achieve with the same bow. If a bows I.B.O. speed rating is 320fps and its A.M.O. speed rating is 245fps that would mean the average archer would shoot that bow somewhere in the middle of that range.


What you have to know about these ratings:
1) They are shot by a machine
2) nothing is on the string
3) they are done by getting everything precise
4) no wind or human error in the shot
5) everything is to get the speed up to the results THEY want
6) no bow torque
7) no string slap
That is why.......any more questions I will be glad to help!!!!!!

It appears that my bow is performing EXACTLY the way it should.

RE: mathews vs. hoyt ?????
 

I just went through the hard decision of choosing a bow (my first in over a decade). I shot every bow I could get my hands on. After several rounds of indecision (there are some really good bows out there!) my last groups of finalists were Mathews Legacy, Mathews FX, and Bowtech Patriot (single cam). I ended up buying the Legacy because it felt the best to me, but the Mathews FX was very close and is the best bow value on the market. The Patriot and top end Hoyts felt a little...umm... jumpier (that' s my own term because no one agrees what the other terms actually mean) after the shot than the Legacy did. The most important consideration is to find the bow that fits and shoots best for you.

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dick_cress,
Your numbers sound good for your Mathews. My Conquest II set at 77lbs. and shooting a 560 grain Goldtip 7795 is registering 254 on the Chronograph. I have a kisser button, trueline peep, cat whiskers and two metal nocks. I use a Scott release.
bmott