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Release for solving target panic?
I have target panic and I have it bad. I used to shoot 4-5 arrows at 20 yards and have them all touching. Now...yeah right. Heres my problem. I'm a drive by shooter. My pin will cross the target dot and my finger (uncontrollably) pulls the trigger. Its like my finger and eye are hard-wired together so when I see my pin on or near the dot...the arrow is already on the way. I can't hold my pin on the dot with intentions of shooting. I pull the trigger prematurely. When I aim with NO intentions of shooting (finger behind trigger) I can hold my pin on the dot all day.
I have your basic wrist strap release right now. Do you guys recommend another style release for curing this problem or can it be accomplished with my current release? Any recommendations? |
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I have had some issues with tp or punching the release in the past. A couple of guys on here (TFOX being one of them) suggested blind bailing at short distances for a while. What I did was set up a big bag target in my basement so I could shoot all winter long. I would set up about 4-5 yards away, draw back, center the pin on the bag, and then close my eyes. I could then just focus on the execution of the shot, without the accuracy part getting in the way. I was amazed at how much is going on during the "release" process. Feeling the squeeze, the back muscles, not anticipating the shot, just actually feeling it go off. Try it. Shoot a bunch of arrows every day "blind" for a couple of weeks. It will definitely help.
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i second the notion. i had the exact same problem as you my friend except i had trained myself to keep my finger back and just jump it around and slap the trigger. this bad habit is a tuff one to break. i recommend the blind shooting as well it really helps. another thing i do, is i keep my finger on the side of my release but in front of my trigger so that when im ready i dont have to jump the trigger my finger is already close, but w/out the temptation of being on it and jumping the gun.
now what has helped me the most honestly. this is somewhat strange but i promise you it will work. i promise. shoot w/out your sight on. look through your peep adn focus on form. stare at the bullseye adn breath, fell youself relax, and when you feel completely relaxed, gently squeeze the trigger. when you shoot its supposed to be a suprise that anything even happened, and if you do this technique right thats what it will feel like. stand 5or6 yards away and do it for days. you will be broken and your mind will be disciplined. im telling you this out of complete experience btw. its not like its hunting season anyway and you can usually just slap your sight back on and it should be fine. good luck though as it is a tough habit to break. |
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Blind bail does help and as you have found out,aiming practice will show you how well you can REALLY hold when not worrying about shooting.Aiming practice is also good to use in unison with blind bale.
BUT,the dreaded b word is an absolute miracle worker at times.Do I need to say it?;) |
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Thanks guys. I have been planning on getting out and blind bailing but I also want to turkey hunt next month with my bow. I picked a good time to start trying to cure this bad habit.
 BUT,the dreaded b word is an absolute miracle worker at times.Do I need to say it? 
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I can't shoot a wrist strap release to save my life. I punch, drive by, whatever you want to call it. I have it bad. With a BackTension release or a Thumb Trigger, I'm golden.
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ORIGINAL: ducsauce Thanks guys. I have been planning on getting out and blind bailing but I also want to turkey hunt next month with my bow. I picked a good time to start trying to cure this bad habit.[&:] BUT,the dreaded b word is an absolute miracle worker at times.Do I need to say it?;) Thanks The cheapest/quality bt I have found is a tru ball ultra 3,only set you back about 60 bucks and will do a world of good.  http://www.truball.com/TRUTension.html |
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Look at the design of the one Matt posted and mine,almost identical.:D His is just heavy.That seems to be "in" right now.
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I agree that the blind bailing helps, another couple of things you may do that will help is change the direction you settle in on the BULLSEYE on. If you usually swing a little to the left, then draw and start out to the LEFT of the bull, forcing you to swing RIGHT, the change is part of what helped me. Another issue I ran into is with my vision. If you don't have EXCELLENT 20/20 or better vision, a trip to the eye doctor may help remedy some of your problem as well. I am due for a new prescription myself, and I notice it significantly especially when TIRED. The old eyes just don't get focus very well!!! One of my biggest fears is that my eyes will fail me before my body and render me incapable of shooting a bow decently!!!
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OHbow
I wear contacts so I'm good on the vision thing. Funny story, before I got contacts I shot at a stump with my 12 ga thinking it was the gobbler I had just called up.:D So yeah...I got that fixed quick.:) TFOX, Matt Heres one for you guys. Will a BT really help with the problem I have? So if I go BT, will I still have problems when my pin crosses the target dot? Also, the release that you suggested TFOX...I won't be using that with my string loop, correct? If I did, my DL would be long. If thats the case, I would like to have one that clips onto my D-loop. |
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You can use it with or without a loop.The rope on the release can be removed and shot directly off the loop if you prefer.
Amazingly enough,they do help to hold on target for those of us that suffer from the dreaded tp. Not saying you can't punch a bt also,but the shot sequence is much better once you learn the bt.In short,it does help you hold ON TARGET. |
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Ok TFOX, you talked me into one.:D I'm willing to give it a shot.
I'm kinda worried about actually using my back muscles to execute the shot. I had a guy at the range trying to show me how to use BT with a wrist strap. I'd never heard of such a thing but he said it could be done. Anyway, I couldn't do it. Hopefully with a true BT release, I will not have any problems. Thanks |
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You can use a shoe string to help learn how to draw and release with the bt untill you get some confidence in the release.Just loop it and hook the release to one end while hanging onto the other.Much safer to learn this way.[8D]
Just remember the post on the release is there for a reason.:D |
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Also, why would you recommend the 3-finger over the 4-finger?
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The whole key to the bt release is learning how to fire it,or should I say let it fire properly.;)
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ORIGINAL: ducsauce Also, why would you recommend the 3-finger over the 4-finger? ORIGINAL: TFOX 3 |
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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: ducsauce Also, why would you recommend the 3-finger over the 4-finger? ORIGINAL: TFOX 3 |
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I just skimmed over it with all the back and forth post that were going on.:D
I thought you were asking which is better,might have something to do with the cold ones I am drinking.[:-] The 3 finger is harder to CHEAT than the 4 finger.What is meant by that is a bt actually requires some rotation to fire and a 4 finger is easier to rotate with your fingers(bypassing the back muscles)than a 3.Once learned,a 2 finger is probably the best way to go but not to learn with. |
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Ok, heres my last question and I'm off to bed. What do you think about the Carter releases that have the safety? I'm just trying to explore all my options.:)
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Expensive and for babies.[8D]
Carter makes some of the finest releases on the market,( I Love mine)I just am not a fan of the safety.:eek: |
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I know switching to a thumb-trigger style release has really helped me with my trigger punching that I experienced for years with my caliper release. I tried to teach myself BT with the caliper, but I was inconsistant. My thumb trigger has been a welcomed change, and my shot consistancy is already improving. I would certainly recommend a BT or Thumb trigger style release based on my limited experience.
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Ok, thanks for the help guys. I'm assuming you all hunt with BT too, correct?
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ORIGINAL: ducsauce Ok, thanks for the help guys. I'm assuming you all hunt with BT too, correct? |
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I highly DO NOT recomend using a pure BT release for hunting, there are a few that use them and seem to do well, but for me I find that a pure BT release in a hunting situation is far less than optimal......and I shoot a pure BT release for everything else.
What I would recomend is that you find a pure BT release that you like and then find a thumb trigger style that has a similar feel to the BT that you are using. This allows you to shoot the pure BT release all year during practice, league, 3D, etc.....and work on getting rid of your target panic. Every once in awhile, slip in the thumb trigger release for a couple of shots just so you are comfortable with it. When you head to the woods, bring the thumb trigger and leave the BT at home. While I do try to use proper form and technique for every shot, sometimes in a hunting situation that just isn't going to happen, or you need to get a shot off quickly. The thumb trigger allows you to command shoot the release if push comes to shove. The wrist strap is a good idea, as is putting a backup release in your pack. I have dropped my hand held from the tree a couple of times but have always had a backup up there with me. |
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ORIGINAL: TFOX Expensive and for babies.[8D] Carter makes some of the finest releases on the market,( I Love mine)I just am not a fan of the safety.:eek: |
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I like to change things up periodically with my releases. Have also been tuning the releases for a fairly light "surprise' let-go. But, sonner or later, I will get in a rut and start "punching" a particular release. Time to rest that one and pick up another one.
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Ok, I'm a little confused now. So the below release is a "true BT" release and it has a thumb post. Thumb trigger releases also exist but they are not considered "true BT", correct? Then a rotary type release is made as well according to this site http://www.koniaris.com/archery/mrd/ which is not considered BT. The black release below is a thumb trigger release that a friend let me borrow. I tried it for the first time today.[:-] The bowstring only releases once the thumb trigger is pressed and then let up until a click is heard. Man, I anticipated the shot badly. As soon as I pushed the trigger I was ready to let my bow down. I knew how the release operated but its just a bad habit I have. I really need to get these issues solved.
http://www.truball.com/TRUTension.htmlThumb trigger release  |
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The TruBall Tru Tension release pictured is a pure BT release, meaning that there is no physical trigger on the release (regardless of weather or not it has a thumb post). The release is activated by the rotation of the handle, which nominally will be due to the tighening of the muscles in your back, causing your hand to move without intentionally trying to move it. The advantage to learning to shoot this type of release is that when it is being shot correctly, the pulling action tends to be a long gradual buildup of pressure rather than a jerking action. This build up of pressure in the back is not easily associated with the bow going off so it tends to keep the association between the pin being on the target and pulling the trigger (target panic) to a minimum. What you end up with is a suprise release every time.
The lower release is a thumb trigger (Spot Hogg Cascade 3 finger), however it operates as a "relax to fire" type. As you noticed, you push the button to "set" the release, then relax your thumb and the release fires. IMHO this is not the best type of triggered release as the relaxing part can cause you to go softly into your shot instead of pulling hard into the wall for a strong shot. Roskoe.....as a general rule, you want your releases set up with a heavy trigger pull. This causes you to have to pull harder and thus get a stronger release. When shooting my BT releases or my thumb triggers for that matter, when I start getting ancy with the release, I typically go with a release that is set up slower or has a heavier trigger. This requires that I pull harder and go into the shot stronger, thus keeping TP to a minimum. |
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It kinda works the other way for me . . . although having a heavier release that lets go real suddenly is better than a light pull that is a little mushy. The real issue is getting surprised by the release of the arrow as opposed to trying to make it happen at a given moment. I have also gotten to where I can shoot a trigger type release with back tension - I just kinda lock my hand when everything is preset and let the back muscles do the rest. The Short 'N Sweet release, at least for me, works particularly well for this technique.
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ORIGINAL: Roskoe I like to change things up periodically with my releases. Have also been tuning the releases for a fairly light "surprise' let-go. But, sonner or later, I will get in a rut and start "punching" a particular release. Time to rest that one and pick up another one. |
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ORIGINAL: ducsauce Ok, I'm a little confused now. So the below release is a "true BT" release and it has a thumb post. Thumb trigger releases also exist but they are not considered "true BT", correct? Then a rotary type release is made as well according to this site http://www.koniaris.com/archery/mrd/ which is not considered BT. The black release below is a thumb trigger release that a friend let me borrow. I tried it for the first time today.[:-] The bowstring only releases once the thumb trigger is pressed and then let up until a click is heard. Man, I anticipated the shot badly. As soon as I pushed the trigger I was ready to let my bow down. I knew how the release operated but its just a bad habit I have. I really need to get these issues solved. http://www.truball.com/TRUTension.htmlThumb trigger release
That web site is technically right but they are still wrong.:DYes,A pure bt does rotate to fire and that is why I suggest a 3 finger over the 4 finger as I stated earlier,you can cheat with the fingers.BUT,you still use your back muscles to fire it when done properly. There are some tension releases that imo,are superior to a rotary style but they are expensive and require alot of discipline in the whole shot process. |
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ORIGINAL: 98Redline The TruBall Tru Tension release pictured is a pure BT release, meaning that there is no physical trigger on the release (regardless of weather or not it has a thumb post). The release is activated by the rotation of the handle, which nominally will be due to the tighening of the muscles in your back, causing your hand to move without intentionally trying to move it. The advantage to learning to shoot this type of release is that when it is being shot correctly, the pulling action tends to be a long gradual buildup of pressure rather than a jerking action. This build up of pressure in the back is not easily associated with the bow going off so it tends to keep the association between the pin being on the target and pulling the trigger (target panic) to a minimum. What you end up with is a suprise release every time. The lower release is a thumb trigger (Spot Hogg Cascade 3 finger), however it operates as a "relax to fire" type. As you noticed, you push the button to "set" the release, then relax your thumb and the release fires. IMHO this is not the best type of triggered release as the relaxing part can cause you to go softly into your shot instead of pulling hard into the wall for a strong shot. Roskoe.....as a general rule, you want your releases set up with a heavy trigger pull. This causes you to have to pull harder and thus get a stronger release. When shooting my BT releases or my thumb triggers for that matter, when I start getting ancy with the release, I typically go with a release that is set up slower or has a heavier trigger. This requires that I pull harder and go into the shot stronger, thus keeping TP to a minimum. I should have read ahead before responding,would have saved me some typing.:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Roskoe It kinda works the other way for me . . . although having a heavier release that lets go real suddenly is better than a light pull that is a little mushy. The real issue is getting surprised by the release of the arrow as opposed to trying to make it happen at a given moment. I have also gotten to where I can shoot a trigger type release with back tension - I just kinda lock my hand when everything is preset and let the back muscles do the rest. The Short 'N Sweet release, at least for me, works particularly well for this technique. Light triggers will cause a bad shot sequence ,but you wanta release with little to no trigger travel.The Short & Sweet is a great release and I also use one for hunting. |
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