draw length too long?
 

well after W.Hunters post, Kellers post and PA's post...i thought it may really benefit me posting a pic and letting some of the "elders" help me out and give me there input....so let me know what you guys think?
thanks,
josh

RE: draw length too long?
 

I would say maybe not the draw but I would try a shorter release.

RE: draw length too long?
 

It appears that you are leaning your head foward to see through your peep. Leave your head in a nuetral position (straight up), close your eyes, draw the bow with your nose touching the string. open your eyes, then you will probably be looking at the top of or over your peep so it will have to be raised. I agree your release may also be a little long, but get the peep set right first.

RE: draw length too long?
 

Do you ever have string slap?

RE: draw length too long?
 

Just took a second look at your picture, 2nd thought is your release isn't to long, it looks like you don't have it tight a round your wrist and it is riding in your palm, tighten up the strap. One other thing you might want to do is not draw your bow without an arrow in it, dryfires suck.

RE: draw length too long?
 

I don't know why but it bothers me to see people pull their bow back without their finger behind the trigger on their release. Regardless if there is an arrow or not. Just kind of a safety thing for me i guess. I usually leave my finger behind the trigger untill I am at full draw and aiming at what i want to shoot. That way there is less of a chance of accidental fire.

RE: draw length too long?
 

I agree, some releases shorten and some dont, if yours dosnt your can still shorten it.

RE: draw length too long?
 

I am no elder or a pro but I have been reading up alot on form and from what I see(and mentioned by others)is your release is to long, its very hard to squeeze the trigger when your finger is reaching and all you have contact with is the tip of your index. Also you are leaning your head into your string to see through your peep raise the peep and your head and I bet theat the string will be touching the tip of your nose. One other I noticed but but could be wrong but it looks like you have too much meat of your hand on the bow(grip).

RE: draw length too long?
 

no i do not get string slaps... i just feel that in comparing to other peoples pictures or watching others shoot there apex is much closer to the corner of their mouths and mine is way further back on my face....but, as another suggested i have to "raise" my head some to look through the peep and i wonder if that could be causing it??

--do you guys mean my nock loop is too long or that my release is too long??..it is adjustable (primos release)..unfortunately i cannot tighten the release to the next hole...it does not fit around my fat wrist[:@]....

---yes you are right about me "leaning forward" i do have to lean forward some to look through the peep to see the sight...i will have it lowered

RE: draw length too long?
 

Your release is too long not your loop. The trigger should arrive first and second knuckle where in the picture it is in front of the first knuckle.And i would raise not lower the peep.

RE: draw length too long?
 

Actually your loop is too long. If you shorten your loop alot then your draw length will probably be pretty good, but from the picture your draw length is too long. Try shortening your loop first to see if it helps. If not you can always tie another one on at the length it's at now.

RE: draw length too long?
 

Your loop looks a little long to me, and the point at which the release attaches to the loop is pretty far forward - causing you to have to anchor way back behind your ear. I would look at a release that allows your hand to get closer to the loop.

RE: draw length too long?
 

ok..i am having it re-strung...i will get the loop smaller and make the release shorter as well...i will check to see if that helps ... also will move the peep.....

thanks

RE: draw length too long?
 

I can't tell because of the pic but it looks to me like your elbow of your release arm is low of your knocking point, but i think it may come up after the afore mentioned problems are addressed.

RE: draw length too long?
 

I would try changing the release before the loop

RE: draw length too long?
 

Your apex should be pretty close to directly under your eye. It looks like it is a little far back. Release also seems long. Good luck man.

RE: draw length too long?
 

Good start and much needed imo.


Your head is forward a little but that isn't necessarily a bad thing,many do that and prefer it.

Your draw really appears to be long to me,atleast a 1/2".I would like to see a full picture though to evaluate further.I would notchange it though untill I made the other changes.If you raised your chin a little,it might be fine with the loop and release changes.


Your grip has way too much palm into the grip.The hand needs to be rotated over so the forearm and wrist are rotated to something near a 45 deg angle.


Just a couple things to work on for now.

RE: draw length too long?
 

Actually,forget the peep is there untill you fix the form issues all together,then readjust it.

RE: draw length too long?
 

will do...got called from archery shop after putting on new strings they found both limbs had a crack in it...not sure if they did or if it happened when the sting broke[:@][:@]

now i have to wait until they get in the limbs from parker...but i will have everything re-adjusted and post a pic once i get the bow back

RE: draw length too long?
 

I would put my money on that happening when the string broke.;)

RE: draw length too long?
 

yes they showed me the cracks running along the limbs and not across the limbs...thus had to be a dry fire or when string broke....i know why you guys buy new bows every year...going to take atleast 14 business days to get the limbs to Parker..then longer to get them here to me in CA[:@].......oh well, just have to wait...hope i can get things together before turkey season

RE: draw length too long? (updated)
 

well got the bow back...new limbs complements of Parker.....here is the release shortened and a bigger pic to look at everything.....let me know what you think?


also, bow came out to be 68#, and draw is still 31" weight of arrow is 485gr........my 7 pin tru glo, i cannot get the pins to seperate enough to get 20-80 yards. put the 20 all the way to the top and the last pin all the way to the buttom and the buttom pin only hits at 73 or so......could it be the weight of the arrow? or is there some other way i can make it work? sight is as close to me as possible.
thanks

RE: draw length too long? (updated)
 

It is pretty tough, with most sights, to get an 80 yard pin - unless youhave arrow speed up there over 300 fpsor you set your first pin a 30 yards instead of 20. At 61 lbs. with a 405 gr arrow, I am probably about the same arrow speed as you - which is about 260 fps. I have to use the level at bottom of my Spott Hogg as an 82 yard aiming point.

RE: draw length too long? (updated)
 

thanks Roskoe.....i was afraid of that....they were shooting at about 248 or so fps and then we put on a lighter arrow that weighed about 390 or so and i was getting 286fps....i am hoping that will be enough...was looking at the maxima 350's....i think they are like 8.9 so i would be at about 400gr give or take depending on if i shoot blazers or 4 inch vanes....

RE: draw length too long?
 

Adjust your peep higher and and use a smaller release loop.Your index finger knuckle should notgo past your ear lobe.

RE: draw length too long?
 

As mentioned, the release trigger is too far forward. Adjust it, if possible, about 3/4" shorter. Between the first and second knuckle.

The bow's draw length is just about 1" too long and the string loop is way too long. A loop needs be only long enough to hook up to without hitting the rrow nock.

One major thing. You need to take a full length picture from the feet all the way up. It's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like your right elbow is lower than your hand, a sure sign of being stretched out too far. This is quite evident by the position of your drawing hand. The hand has no real solid anchor point, but is just floating somewhere behind the ear. All told, from what I can see you are stretched out about 2" too far.

This was based on the first picture. Second pic looks better, but the drawing arm is still bent and the elbow is too low. The draw length of the bow is closer but you need to push the bow forward by taking some of the bend out of the left arm. The drawing arm doesn't have to be bent. This should bring the string closer to the tip of your nose instead of beside it. If you can't see through the peep as well then change the position of the peep or get a different one (larger hole?).

Also get the palm of your hand out of the grip by rotating the hand and forarm out a bit. The grip should push into the meat of the thumb and the palm never touches the grip. Leave the fingers hang loose.

Same goes for the drawing hand. You are holding the fingers straight so we can't really see the position of the fingers on the release. Let the fingers relax.

RE: draw length too long?
 

thanks guys i really appreciate it.....here is another pic, a close up from when i took the second one....my index finger nuckle infront of my ear lobe..so that is ok.....i will work on keeping my palm off the grip and keeping the bow arm straighter and not bent as much to put the sting on the tip of my nose and not beside the nose.

thanks,

RE: draw length too long?
 

here is a pic, i straightened my left arm and put the string on the tip of my nose instead of the side.....i have not changed the d-loop yet...i don't have any more string to re-tie it yet but i will shorten that as well...let me know what you think..

RE: draw length too long?
 

Although the pic is froma different angle it appears that you are making some progress. The nose job is definitely better. You still have a death grip on the bow, though.

Take notice of one thing. See how your right elbow is lower than the hand? The forearm is angled uphill? This is indicative of being stretched out too far. What you are looking for eventually is for the arm to be straight with the arrow.

I can tell you are getting closer to good form. You just look more relaxed.

T think if I were you I'd take a break from all the adjusting and shoot the thing for a about a week. Gibe the body and mind a little time to adjust to a new feel. Then make some smaller changes. A little at a time.

RE: draw length too long?
 

thanks for repying again BG...do you think if i were to lower the draw length some then my elbow would straighten out? or should i first make the d-loop smaller? i have been studying/shooting all day and working on it....pushing the bow away from me more and keeping the string on the tip ofmy nose feels comfortable and the shots feel better ( groups are a little tighter too)

thanks again,
josh

RE: draw length too long?
 

Regardless of anything else (release, loop) it looks to me like you actual draw length is at least an inch too long. The end of the arrow (not the nock) should be a right at the corner of your mouth. Your draw elbow shoud be inline or a little above your wrist, having it below the wrist is an indicator of a DL that's too long.Also, it lookslike you're not standing up straight, rather you're leaning back.

RE: draw length too long?
 

I also believe that your DL is a bit too long. And, although not necessarily related to your form, having that nock ring inside the loop isn't allowing the nock end of the arrow to fly "true" (I notice in the pics that your release is straight behind the ring, not behind the nock) This is a great how-to for a better way: http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2185934

That flying elbow will most likely stay in that position as long as your index finger knuckle is anchored against your ear, unless you really make an effort to pull the elbow down (at least that's what I'm finding as I sit here trying to mimic what you do...) If you're open to suggestions, try turning your wrist so that your fingers are away from your face and shove your thumb underneath your jawbone. I think you'll find that it's almost impossible for the right elbow to be anywhere but aligned with the arrow if you try that.

RE: draw length too long?
 

Yes, according to the way I set things up the bow is too long and so is the loop. You might be able to tweak a little more by shortening the release, too. Take notice as to where your era lobe touches your finger. You should strive to have the next knuckle back, where the finger meets the hand, in the hollow just below your ear lobe or nearly so. This means you need about 1 1/2" shorter. That's a combination of the loop, bow draw length, and release strap. The easy changes at this point are the release and a 1" shorter draw length module. Then do some shooting for a while. You can always do some fine tuning later with loop length. Who knows? You may not have to change it.

If you really get anal about this and play around you'll find a sweet spot for draw length where your aiming process gets rock solid. Too long a draw and you tend to wander around on the target slowly, in a figure eight pattern. When you get too short the movement is pretty much the same pattern, but the movements are more jerky. When you find that sweet spot you'll aim like you have Paul Bunyan arms and with less effort.

RE: draw length too long?
 

thanks for tunning in again.....i really appreciate the analogy....i was going to ask what would happen if i don't change it...but you summed it up......i will do what i can to get the archery shop to get it changed soon (they are far away and with school and family problems it may be a while)....after i go down to 30" and play with it some i will re-post and see what you guys think............i REALLY appreciate all of you taking the time to help me out with this...

Josh

RE: draw length too long?
 

UL 31, good taste. What's it matter, you can't miss with a parker anyways :D

RE: draw length too long?
 

yea even with me having an inch over draw i can still put 3 in the heart at 60 yrds (80% of the time).....but yep, can't beat a Parker, IMO;)