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Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
I guys, I recieved a new trykon xl lastyear, I got it because the vextrix draw was too short for me. I am 6'4 1'2 and have a 32 inch draw, 32 1/2 with loop. However with my setup at 70lbs I think my bow is underpreforming.
I see so many people on this board talk about how there trykon and trykon xl are going 285 and higher with 29 and 30 inch draws, i thought an inch in drawwould make your arrow go almost 10fps faster, but when I tested mine using easton st. epic arrows 400g "including tip" i got about 278. is something wrong with my bow do I need to get it tuned or something, is this normal and is it possible to get my bow to shoot 300fps or faster. |
RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
I don't think your going to get 300 with a 400 arrow. Hoyts are not the leaders anymore. There just trying to keep up and not doing very well. I have got my 05 protec up to 292 with a 396 arrow. I don't even have your length. Dump the stock strings.
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I have the same "problem" I guess you could say. I shoot a Commander at 32" (I don't count the loop in draw length) and am getting 276 with my Maxima hunters. The arrow weight is where long draw folks lose the speed. My hunting arrows are 476 gr, but at 276, that is a deadly combo. If you are looking for speed in your draw length, pretty tough to find it since most "fast" bows are not going to get you to 32" Lighter arrows are an option, but with them being so long, pretty tough to get a well spined setup that is also very light.
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
It's true that you can get an increase in speed (10fps.inch), but only if you are shooting the same weight arrow as all those other guys. As mentioned, your longer arrow probably means it's heavier. One counteracts the other.
What you don't mention, and a lot other don't, is what all is on your string and where it's located. Anything added to the string is much the same as having that weight on the arrow. Sure, such things as kisser buttons and peep are pretty much standard gear, but things like string silencers can make a huge difference just by sliding them closer to the cams. Different string material can make a difference, too, as some are lighter than others. Putting things into perspective your speed isn't too shabby for a hunting rig. Don't want to bust anybody's bubble, but I have a Martin Pantera with Nitrous cams that's doing 275fps at 27" draw and 53#, but it's tuned for speed and shooting nearly 100gr less arrow than you. Of course, set up for 3D it's doing 287fps. But then I play around for months to find out what gives me the best performance. I change things on my bows about as foten as some people change underwear. |
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so if I buy some 300g arrows, then technically they are going to be heavier than 300g because they will be the 32inch version wich will add weight.
if thats true, then what is the lightest and fastest arrow on the market, and do i still follow the 350g and above rule when shooting a 70# bow do i have to shoot heavier than 350 because of the draw or does that not matter |
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Well, the IBO arrow weight at 32" is just about impossible. 350 grains with a full length arrow plus insert and tip, vanes, nock is going to be really hard to do, and if you do get it down that far, spine is most likely going to be an issue. My experience with my long draw is that we are kind of unique in our situation in that most equipment is not made to fit us. A 32" bow is a rarity on the market, just look at how many you can buy in that draw length. You are going to have to sacrifice something and usually that is speed in this case, because of arrow weight. How fast do you think you need to be?
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Yooper has a pretty good idea of what's up. Basically it's called compromise. And you should shoot an absolute minimum of 350gr. More doesn't hurt and can be benefical. Considering your draw a lighter arrow is going to make the bow shoot louderbecause of increased vibration. This inturn can lead to some kind of bow failure. Consider it a pitfall of having such a long draw.
Think about this. Your setup is plenty fast enough and is prducing tons of kinetic energy. If it's quiet and you can draw the bow easily then it makes for an ideal setup. I'd be happy. If you're so inclined to investigate you can log onto Gold Tip's website. Look in Products/Build Your Own Arrow. Look at UL 22 series arrows. Preferrably Pro series for your length. Work up an arrow and see what it comes out to. |
RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
well now that you guys put it that way, my bow is pretty sweet. I did the math and my bow is shooting about 79lbs of kinetic energy at 280
is that respectable |
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is that respectable |
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ORIGINAL: Madmartigan well now that you guys put it that way, my bow is pretty sweet. I did the math and my bow is shooting about 79lbs of kinetic energy at 280 is that respectable |
RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
im going to get an accurate read on my KE this sat, then im setting up a trip to Africa, he he
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Mad....looking over the posts on this thread I see and inconsistency in terminology that you are using and I just want to verify that it is just that, an error in terminology and not an error in equipment selection.
When you say you are shooting a 400g Easton Epic arrow, is that to say you have actually weighed the arrow and it comes in at 400gr or are you shooting Easton Epic 400s. There is a HUGE difference between the two. If you are shooting Epic 400s with a 32" draw, that would put your arrow length somewhere around 31 to 31 1/2" in length. This arrow would be severely underspined for your rig and probably approaching the danger zone of blowing the arrow up on launch. One more point. Easton rates their carbon arrows by spine (inches of deflection when a weight is hung from the center of the arrow with the arrow supported a specified distance apart...I believe this is 28"). Spine essentially gives you the stiffness of the arrow. Lower spine numbers mean lower deflection and a stiffer arrow. An Epic 400 is a .400 spine arrow An Epic 300 is a .300 spine arrow (much stiffer) and heavier. Given the length of your draw, and bow poundage, I would expect that a .300 spine arrow would be about right for your rig. I certainly don't mean to insult your intelegence, however the nice round numbers like 400gr and 300gr that you have been using seem more like arrow spine numbers than actual arrow weights. |
RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
ORIGINAL: 98Redline Mad....looking over the posts on this thread I see and inconsistency in terminology that you are using and I just want to verify that it is just that, an error in terminology and not an error in equipment selection. When you say you are shooting a 400g Easton Epic arrow, is that to say you have actually weighed the arrow and it comes in at 400gr or are you shooting Easton Epic 400s. There is a HUGE difference between the two. If you are shooting Epic 400s with a 32" draw, that would put your arrow length somewhere around 31 to 31 1/2" in length. This arrow would be severely underspined for your rig and probably approaching the danger zone of blowing the arrow up on launch. One more point. Easton rates their carbon arrows by spine (inches of deflection when a weight is hung from the center of the arrow with the arrow supported a specified distance apart...I believe this is 28"). Spine essentially gives you the stiffness of the arrow. Lower spine numbers mean lower deflection and a stiffer arrow. An Epic 400 is a .400 spine arrow An Epic 300 is a .300 spine arrow (much stiffer) and heavier. Given the length of your draw, and bow poundage, I would expect that a .300 spine arrow would be about right for your rig. I certainly don't mean to insult your intelegence, however the nice round numbers like 400gr and 300gr that you have been using seem more like arrow spine numbers than actual arrow weights. GUess we'll see what he says. |
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Good call REdline, I was thinking the same thing, but you put it better than I would have. Long draws are a pain in the ass, but it is all worth it for the KE. My FMJs were 585 grains, which is obese, but they really did some damage on deer. 79 pounds of energy is MORE than enough for pretty much any game on the planet.
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
no, i have just been wording it wrong, I shoot easton 300's im not saying they equal 300
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RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
wait explain how the easton 400's are heaview than the 300's, i don't get that part
also i am lacking a little bit on bow knowledge but, I do make up for it in shooting |
RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
ORIGINAL: Madmartigan wait explain how the easton 400's are heaview than the 300's, i don't get that part also i am lacking a little bit on bow knowledge but, I do make up for it in shooting |
RE: Is something wrong with my trykon xl "speed wise"
You can always shorten your arrow to loose some weight and increase spine. I have a 30" DL and shoot a 27" arrow with a QAD rest. You could also contact GT and ask for their 85/105 (not sure about the 105)series arrows. I was told by a friend that they make the arrows for long DL's and heavy tip hunters. They're probably about a grain per inch lighter than the Eastons.
You can also download a trial version of Ontarget2 from www.pinwheelsoftware.com and run your bow set-up through there to get arrow choices as well as play with your options. I really wouldn't worry about it though. That's bow is still shooting faster than many people's bows with lighter arrows. |
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