Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately, their website doesn't give much information. They talk about how you can reduce draw weight or cut lines, but not how much it increases FOC. It appears to be presented as a target arrow instead of a hunting arrow.

I'm guessing that if Ashby's discoveries ever become well known, companies will be producing more products like this. Can you give us a clue as to how much these things cost? Have you bareshaft tested this shaft? I'm guessing not, since you only have one.

That comparison is just rediculous. A .22 and a .45? Not even close. Try more like a .44 mag and a .45 Long Colt. Or a .41 Mag and a .44 Mag. The difference between those 2 arrows is marginal at best. The difference between the 2 calibers is huge.And people keep saying I make rediculous statements?

190 grain difference between a 360 gn arrow and one at 550 gnsis marginal, eh? Then why all the hassle over a 400 gn minimum? You act like that 400 gns is a death sentence but then say an arrow that's 150 gns heavier makes for a marginal difference in arrow weight???I'm mystified.

heres a little video to check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEMLfTVIv0

And just think, you could actually get to the "bone breaking" threshold of 650 grains and still be shooting over 200 fps. At hunting ranges, this will cause no problem with trajectory, and your arrow becomes that much more deadly.

one more thing this same 180 grain 30-06 bullet will stop dead when shot into a bullet proof vest but an arrow will go through?

Another example of why the media you shoot into is so important. Penetration tests for arrows are only revelant when they are tests into animals.

This is true! but that 30-06 has a whole lot more KE which does not mean beans to the way arrow works,Bowhunters need penetration as a bow kills with hemoirage,an arrow will not penetrate as deep in a dead animal as it will a live one(due to fluids).

I never acted like it's a death sentence. And again you twist my point. Comparing a .22 and a .45 is idiotic. A comparison would be a lighter bullet out of the same gun. not 2 entirely diffrent weapons. Compare apples to apples.

Furthermore, I'm stating that the 391 gr is close to the 521. The difference in penetration and performance is marginal. A marginal diffrence in penetration, not weight. Therefore, why shouldn't I use the 391? and it's 119 gr diff, not 160. That weight in an arrow would be 30 grains in the same gun. Get my point?

My point for the 400 gr minimum was that there is no diff between a 390 and a 520. So, what would the minimum solve?

Are you honestly trying to say that an arrow has to be over 650 gr to break bone? I gurantee that my arrow is just as "deadly" as one weighing 650 grains.

Furthermore, it sounds as if you are saying that 650 gr should be the minimum, not 400?

So, this is why I stated in the beginning that imposing a minimum isn't such a great idea. One guy reads a test buy one other guy and starts to think. Boy, the minimum now is 400 grains. however, this guy's report states taht you need at least 650 gr to break bones. Therefore, we need to change the weight min to 650.

But it doesn't stop there. Some PETA guy/girl sees that this guy does a test that shows all these wonded animals from shooting arrows under 650 gr. And this other guy wants to up the min requirements because of all these wounded animals.So, they decide to post this stuff everywhere. Next thing you know we have more trouble than you could ever imagine. And for those of you who think that can't happen. You are just dreaming.

Bottom line is that many of these wounded animals are the result of the guy/girl behind the bow taking a piss poor shot to begin with. It had nothing to do with the equipment at all. However, we have to ignore the fact that even if they used a bazuka they'd still mess-up.

It's like the guy who gut shoots a deer with a .243. It must be the gun not him. So, the next year he buys a .300 Winchester Mag for whitetail because everyone told him of the awesome power. But the guy doesn't shoot it at all before season and goes out and gut shoots another deer. Same result not matter what.