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I talked to a very wise archery expert about these (all STS). He told me that there is problems in tuning the bow and increased noise (not decreased as advertised). The minimal hand shock out of my Outback I am not going to wory about, but if I could quiet it down a bit more I would. If the STS does just the oposite I am not puting one on. Any and all coments welcome.

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I have used the double STS on my Switchback XT, and I have a CSS from meanv2 on my Guardian and have had no problems. They have both performed as advertised. Heres a pic of the CSS.

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I'm not sure what your expert is saying.
Many new bows are coming w/ STS as standard dress.
I for one, just put a MeanV2 on my Black Ice and I am giong to add one to my Trykon.

The MeanV ADDED 5 solid fps, made it dead quiet and I can't tell I fired a shot.Itdidn't change anything as far as being in tune is concerned.
I can't speak for STS systems , but I'll put a MeanV on every bow I buy.

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IMHO your very wise archery expert is not all that wise;)

I have the CSS on my Black Ice and one on order for my Commander.
After installing it on the BI, I replaced the string and cable with no silencers on the string or cable it is still deadly quite with no hand shock or vibe and I did gain a few fps because of no silencers.

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Trust me guys, TeeJay's "guy" is VERY respected, and his comments almost mirrored mine. I set the STS up on my bow and it was a royal pain in the butt to tune. The only differance between TeeJay's "guy" and myself is that after getting the STS set-up to where the bow could be "MACRO" ;)tuned correctly is that mine helped to reduce noise and his did the opposite.

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I'm not a tech, so maybe I should not say anything but... I am still not sold on the idea that they are absolutely needed, as many are. I got a slap sound with the STS that apparently none of its ardent users can hear. Still, it did effectively kill the vibration in one of the bows, and perhaps reduced it a little in another. I still am amazed that many fans of these things shoot very quiet/ vibe free bows to start with, then say the STS, CSS, or whatever really made a huge difference. The only way to make some of these bows quieter is to hang them up and go do something besides shoot.

As far as the other thing goes, well, again not a tech here, but I have been paying close attention to what has been posted for several years on different boards. Len in Maryland does not favor the STS, as far as I've seen. Mike Carter of Missouri does seem to think highly of them. These two guys are, to my way of thinking, the two most knowledgable techs that post on archery forums. One likes them, one does not. If you like what it does, buy it. If not, don't. Almost any well tuned bow will likely shoot better than its owner can, with or without.

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PA Jay, well said. I have one on my new Allegiance and thus far, really like it. The thing I noticed with the 07 Allegiance is the amount of vibration this bow has compared to the two previous years. While its marginal, it does have a little more. This is because of the lighter mass weight of the bow and nowhere for the vibration to go. However, most of this vibration is coming from the string. TheMeanV2 version I have on mine does an excellent job of killing this vibe. So far, I really haven't been able to shoot much past 20 yds due to the weather, so the jury is still out on how it will ultimately tune with it on. One thing that really has me wondering is whether or not the rubber end flexes side to side on the shot, varying the string path. In other words, say the rubber dampner flexes to the left when the string hits it, then influences the string to go left with it.

To me, quietness is a relative term. There are different kinds of "quietness". Each bow makes a different type of noise. Some notice one bow, but not the other when if fact, they are probably both equally quiet, just create a different noise. Adding different components, like the STS, will create a different type of sound and length of sound from the bow.

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I have been using one for a while and I have noticed that if you have not adjusted it properly (i.e. the proper distance from the string) you will have excessive slap, and in some cases some tuning issues. Unfortunately, I have also found that the "correct" distance is not always the same. Sometimes it will be right upon the string at rest, others it could be 1/8th of and inch of the string. A good starting point is to adjust it so you can slide a dollar bill between the string and stopper without touching either. Then you can fine tune it by shooting from their.

Once adjusted it will reduce the felt vibration and while there may be a dull thud it should decrease the noise as well. Also, I have never had a problem tuning my bow once the STS was properly adjusted.

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Is anyone having their string served where the STS or CSS comes in contact with the string?

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I have had one served on my 05 Allegiance with a STS and I will have my Drenalin served once I put on Meanv2 CSS.

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My Vectrix came from the factory served and I will have my string on my Tribute served where it comes in contact too.

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Is it recommended that you serve the string where they make contact or did you do that "just in case"?

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I had it done and noone told me to do it. Just makes sense to me to guard the string from the high speed slapping and it might help quiet the noise too.

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MeanV's instructions say to serve the string.

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I must get one. Is MeanV on here too or just archerytalk.com?

How much does he charge?

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He's just on AT... his thread where he's selling his string suppressors stays at the top of the classifieds section.

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$44.00 for a color matched camo to your bows' camo color. Cheaper for black.

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They work!You just have to find the sweetspot as to how it performs best--some bows you'll need a small gap between the STS and the string and some bows work better with the STS pushing on the string slightly.I love what they do for noise and string slap prevention but do they really need to charge as much as they do?;):D

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Considering the rest of my setup is close to a grand altogether, I didn't think $44 was too bad ;)

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Do they quiet the bow? I am getting mixed answers, some say they make it louder some say just the oposite, the $44 is peanuts if it does what it claims.

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From a pure decible-meter reading, I would think it would. I think the biggest change in "sound" is the actual kind of sound-- as it goes from a "twang" to a "thump"; I think that's the biggest difference where people take some time getting used to when discussing its sound.

Personally, I feel a dull thud or thump is more appealing on my hunting rig than a twang. Add in the inherent advantages of it not allowing the sting to slap my bulky sleeves on hunting clothes in cold-weather conditions, and that many people claim a "cleaner" release and actually having picked up several fps because the string is not allowed to go beyond brace and "pull" at the arrow as it comes off the string, and I think it's a viable product.

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Guys, I have a genuine question. MyDrenalin has a bit of a thrum when it's fired, and I could probably fix it with a couple of things (heavier arrow, lighter poundage, STS, etc). Won't even the quietest bow make enough noise when fired in the quiet woods to be heard by a deer, though? I've heard some bows at a range that sounded like someone threw a pot in a sink full of dishes, and I understand you wouldn't want to hunt with that. The deer would probably jump straight in the air. I don't know how to determine how loud is too loud. Is the objective to not have a deer hear the shot, and is that even possible?

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Will all bows create a sound when shot? Yes, even the mighty Guardian has some noise, but the deer is more likely to hear the arrow than the bow with how quiet today's bows are.

Is it possible to not have the deer hear the shot? I don't know. The best way to guage your set up is to go down range and behind the safety of some bales have someone shoot your bow and see what you hear. That way you can work on quieting down your bow and experiment with arrow/fletching/broadhead combinations to get the quietest set up.

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I want to look at these things online where is a good place to look I cant find anything about them

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Here ya go... It's only got 58,000 page views ;)

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=338928

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A deer's nose gets all the publicity and I have read only a few articles covering their hearing. From what I remember reading their hearing is a little better than a human's , it's thatradar dish earthat gives them the ability to pinpoint the origin of a sound. I would suppose that based one the shape of their ear and the size, they can pick up more sound waves.

I've tried the down range sound check w/ a couple of my bows in the past. Outdoors, it's really hard to hear at 20 yards. I will say that the weather plays a big role.If there is just a little breeze, I heard nothing.

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I gotone of Mean V's CSS for my Tribute. I was at the pro shop a couple of weeks ago, & a guy next to me was shooting an identical bow. Same stabilizer, leeches, & rest. He commented that my bow was much quieter than the one he was shooting. There's all the proof I need. I noticed it also, after I put it on. I am glad that i listened to those that recommended it on an earlier thread. Try it out, I'm sure you spend $$ on accessories & find out that u want to change it out some time. It's money well spent.

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Ordered and paid for it yesterday. He said he's running 2 to 3 weeks on delivery so I'll just be patient.