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I heard today that in the year 2003 that W/C will not be on the BowTech lineup anymore.Has anyone else heard this?

Some of the 03 line up will have the WC strings and some will have the BT made strings.

Now I dont know if the new BT strings are going to be as good as the WC strings but time will tell.

From what I have heard tho the new strings will be on par with WC strings.

Aussie by birth Texan by choice

It might be helpful if Pat were to come on and explain exactly what Bowtech is doing with their strings this year.

I am actually a little confused myself. My interpretation of it was that all of the bows from prior years that did not have Winners Choice strings on them from their lineup will now be using strings made by Bowtech via a new manufacturing process that is somewhat similar to what Winners Choice uses, at least in terms of the end result.

Is this correct Pat or is it in some other way?

GEEZZz guys, buy the bow for the reasons you have and whine about the strings if you feel the need later! Hoyt,Mathews,Datron, Merlin,Martin, ETC... doesen't come with them so don't worry about it! The O2 strings are supposed to perform as well as WC, BowTech says they will so we'll just have to wait and see. This topic is a very dead horse!

I've decided not to reply to this in any great detail and I've asked moderators to lock this thread.

It's been turned into a serious argument on another message board system where I've have been personally attacked by persons that don't even know me and I don't want the same on here.

To dispell any rumors and such please call both parties and get the information from each manufacturer.

Please keep in mind, BowTech is VERY busy getting ready for the AMO/ATA Show right now.

The Toll free Number for BowTech is 1-888-689-1289 and the phone number for Winner's Choice Custom Bowstring's is 541-575-0818.

I will say this...BowTech is not making any strings in house.

The O2 strings being marketed in the 2003 brochure includes any bows, even the ones with Winner's Choice strings on them. All strings are being marketed as O2 strings no matter who builds them.

Thank you and Regards, Pat

I think Bowtech is just being smart, and figuring out that all of the hype with strings and who makes them is just that. There is no doubt the WC makes excellent strings, but so do Tailor-maid for instance, and a few other "known" companies, and there are many more guys that know the ins and outs of string building out there that are not so instantly recognizedthat can build 'em superbly also.

Look at it from a manmufacturers' perspective--- say you buy WC strings at a "wholesale" manufacturers' cost of lets say(roughly) $60 per set(based upon retail at roughly $100) and multiply that times say 10,000 bows. That's $600,000.00 just for strings/cables. Now, install mass-produced typical "factory" strings/cables of the same material, but built by a general string builder who deals in bulk with manufacturers, and you probably can get them for around $20 per set at manufacturers' wholesale pricing.(black with no twists or colors) Multiply that times the same 10,000 bows. That's $200,000.00. Is it worth it for Bowtech (or any other manufacturer) to spend $400,000.00 extra per year just so they can say they have WC strings/cables on their bows? How many more people will buy that particular bow just because it has WC strings on it instead of stock "factory" strings? Not $400,000.00 worth of them, I can assure you that, they will buy the bow if they truly want it anyway, and the only way any manufacturer can re-coup any of this money would be to put at least a $60 higher price tag on the product,(or $70 if they want to turn a profit from them) which in turn then puts it out of reach financially for a certain percentage of customers. This is all figured out by analysts, and then the most cost-effective way of promoting the products come from that, no different than any other manufacturer. Remember, this is big business for the manufacturers and decisions such as this saving of over a 1/4-million dollars can be the difference between a company floating or sinking. I would've done the same thing if I were them. In fact, I would've never started it at all, but that's just me.

Bowtech is just utilizing the best means to get the most out of their dollar, same as everyone else in the industry. If the consumer wants to purchase the WC strings after they buy the bow, then that is their individual choice. Nothing to be whining about, you are either going to pay extra for the bow at purchase to have them on it,(and still will have to replace them after a year or so) or simply buy them yourself after the first set wears out and save $60 or so on the initial cost of the bow. I think more people are apt to take a $60-70 savings initially, $599 sounds alot better than $669 if you ask me. I'll replace my strings/cables a couple of times with that same $60-70 later on down the road, thanks. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 12/12/2002 13:10:16

I agree with pretty much everything Pinwheel said. However, I don't recall seeing a $40 drop in MSRP for the 2003 models due to this.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> But I don't really care. I'm still gonna get my DC Patriot, and I know I'm gonna love it.

Rod

Edited by - HotLZ on 12/12/2002 13:57:42

Edited by - HotLZ on 12/13/2002 08:25:45

Walks with a Gimp,

Out of the three posts the proceeded yours, one of which was mine, I did not see anyone whining about Bowtech's strings.

I saw a legitimate question about Bowtech's 2003 lineup and some folks that had some of the answers but couldn't verify them.

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I am aware of the thread that Bowtech Shooter has made reference to and can understand why he is reluctant to answer this thread further.

I suggest that anyone with further questions on this issue please refer to the numbers that Pat listed.

Pat.
I dont think any of the guys here are going to personally attack you.
well with the exception of JeffB<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

Aussie by birth Texan by choice

Ausie-guy, I do not blame Pat one bit. I read the ramblings of the other message board and it was ridiculous. I applaud Pat for his patience and professionalism. It took alot of guts for Pat to bite his lip over this freakin jag off on this other board. I am sure Pat is not worried about us, I think he is just sick<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> to his stomach about the whole thing. Some people just have NO CLUE. Good Job PAT <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

LIFE MEMBER: United Bowhunters of PA. >>------> (x)

Yeah I know Frank I read what that other guy had to say.

I had a chat with Pat on the phone this afternoon he knows he has my backing.

I even jumped in on that other board and got accused of saying a couple of things I never said.

But its ok we all know that chap is not playing with a full deck.

I mentioned Jeff but it was more in relation to the famous prototype pic.

Aussie by birth Texan by choice

it is just amazing to me that archers are argueing over strings, isn't the mathews against everyone arguement enough for us?

PaBowhunter, sorry that I came on a little too strong. I just seen another thread started like I've been involved in on another site. It's funny to see some of the things people will come up with just to find a reason not to buy A GREAT BOW! How many people do you see that buy a new truck and then start switching tires and wheels, bug shield, camper shell, etc. Then the same type come on here and cry about how they might not get WC strings on their new bow only to then spend $100.00 on a new sight, $60.00 on a stabilizer etc. All this when no one has even seen or shot the real thing. 90 percent of the shooters out there don't know how to tune their own bow let alone be able to reap the benefits of the world's greatest string. I've made my own strings and cables, even steel cables for over 20 years and not one has ever broke or separated. Building a great string is not rocket science nor is it really necessary for someone who may only shoot 200 arrows a year. I'm done<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bottem line.........will the 2003 bowtech strings be just as good as last years???? just answer yes or no?

Guys,

I read the thread Pat made reference to as well and I do agree that it was absolutely absurd what happened. Personally, I just think that particular forum doesn't like to have any type of Bowtech information on it especially judging but what some of the other responses were to some of the other Bowtech threads that Pat posted over there.

I think you will have these type of problems on message boards that are sponsored by specific bow manufacturers.....though I am not suggesting that it is appropriate though.

Walks with a Gimp,

No offense taken. I knew where you were coming from and if there were folks on here causing trouble about this issue then I could definitely see where your response would be warranted. :)

Weatherby,

I think only time will tell if the new '03 strings will be as good as previous years'. But, from what I have heard so far, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. It definitely wouldn't stop me from buying another one of their bows.

I think it was a leap of faith for bowtec to put wc strings on the first year they did it . It brought the price of their bows up . The owners wanted quality product and the consumers apreciate that , thats one reason bowtec has done well and has a good reputation . If they are changeing to a new string I'll bet it will be of excelent quality also , otherwise they would not do it .

PS ever see a pse with wc strings ?

We all have different oppinions , if we did'nt the world would be a BORING place

Edited by - ijimmy on 12/13/2002 07:09:13

I was not trying to get something sarted over this or was I whinig about it.I was just wondering if anybody else had heard about it.I thought mybe it was a rumor or something.

Hawgz, believe me. You haven't started anything here. It seems BowTech has decided to go a different way with their strings. Their prerogative to do so. As Pinwheel said, the savings to them could be substantial. I have a 2003 Pat on order. Whatever strings come on it are fine with me. It's my prerogative to install something else, if I like.

Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>