Since Muzzyman88's Allegiance thread is no longer getting any love I'll just ask on a new thread.

On new Bowtechs there is a small end cap on the end of the limbs where the cam's axlegoes through the limb.

Are these end caps designed to allow the cam to rub against them with no ill effects?
There is very little to no[/b] room between the cam & limb cap on any of the ~20 some odd Bowtech bows (except the Guardian) at my dealer so obviously this isn't a freak thing.

Not looking to slam, just trying to figure this out.

If this was the intent of the design so be it, just curious if that is the case. And no, the cam is not rubbing the limb itself, just the end cap.

Did the end cap replace the need for a nylon bushing and if so, will it wear out?

dave, if you get the cam off you'll see there is a raised area on the cap itself that is a built in spacer. yes, it is designed that way. there is supposed to be contact between the 'spacer' area of the cap and that central part right around your axle (which i can't think of what its called right now) on your cam, but not much else. the spacer i put in that area was very thin, and only the size of the raised area on the cap, so i didn't change the intended contact points, i just added a little tolerance because although i put new limbs on - i didn't want to have to worry about it.once the worry sets in,you know -its all over.

Thanks for the clarity on the issue.

Unless my eyes and memory are deceiving me-I think I could see more of a raised area on the 2007 cams than I could on my cam, or it was just more exposed to the eye.

FWIW,I found out from someone who has taken an Elite down that they use actual plastic shims between their limb & cam.

Would those in the know consider thisa better system?

last i heard they were using better limbs - and that's where the difference is. i'll say also that i wrote in to elite for some string and cable lengths - and kevin responded w/ not only the lengths - but a complete diagram of the strings and cables for me to work off of. i'm also beginning to hear glowing reports about their customer service and bows. they may be here to stay.

DaveC,

I have an Elite E-500, it does have the the shims(4 of them ) and the spacing of the cams are all uniform to the limb.
No rubbing in sight, what so ever, with plenty of space.

Gibblet,
The string and cables are woking out mint on my bow, you made for me.
You are right, Elite may be here to stay, been hearing good things about their customer service lately as well.

The cap on the limb tips is there simply to reinforce the tips of the limbs and prevent any splitting there. They designed the cams so that they don't need to use the cheap plastic spacers that so many manufacturers use. The sealed bearings take the place of the spacers that others use.

The spacers is a way to cut manufacturing costs becasue a little spacer is much cheaper to produce than the extra aluminum that must be machined off from the billet so that the spacers aren't needed. Also the tollerences can be held much tighter machining aluminum with sealed bearings than a molded plastic spacer.

The spacer method is not the superior system. Think if there was a plastic spacer of some kind on the wheels of your truck.

Ok sounds good so far.

But in the past I have worn these cheap spacers out and had them easily replaced. Is there any chance with the limb cap to cam rubbing I am going to wear out the limb cap (or slowly deminish it's original size).
If so- then what?

No, the limb cap is touching inner "ring" of the sealed bearing, whichis stationary,not the cams so thereare no wear issues.

that's where its touching in theory. and i believe my hoyt cams had sealed bearings, and a teflon spacer, and bowtech used spacers in the past w/ sealed bearings. doesn't mathews use sealed bearings too, anda spacer? not sure. anyway, i'm not sure that's the reasoning or use for teflon washers anymore. are you sure about it? and, really, the limb caps are just a cheap plastic substitute if they aren't just cheap plastic. i'm not saying anything about bowtech - just that to my knowledge that post wasn't quite jiveing - and i'm happy to be corrected.