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Well, my wife says a couple days before Christmas "Are you getting a new bow this year??".........I said "Don't know......haven't shot them yet".........she replies "Go shoot them and if you like them get one and put it under the tree"...........far be it from me to decline such an invite so I called the shop to be sure they had the new lines in and they did so I headed out with high hopes.

I came home not only empty handed but pretty disappointed as well. I REALLY thought this was the year I would be impressed enough with the new bows to get one........the guardian design (and good vibe from reviews I had read) had me thinking it was coming home with me.

I shot the Guardian, The Allegiance, and the Drenalin. All set at 63, 62, and 63 lbs respectively. Bare bows, nothing but a WB rest on each one.

First was the guardian. Looking over the bow it was definately nice to look at but 2 things IMMEDIATELY jumped out at me. I didn't care for the extra moving parts, especially held in place by small clip like cotter pins. Looks like a way too many new areas added that could be a problem. Most of all on initial inspection the cables are twisted around in the cam like a pretzel with two posts set awkwardly close to each other.........just looking at it closely my initial fear was confirmed.......the serving on the cable was already coming apart in that area. The shop owner said 4 people had shot the bow before me and it probably had well under 100 shots through it.
Everything else on the bow looked very good........beautiful bow top to bottom (there was something I missed that I was shown later that was BIG). Time to shoot it. The grip is OK.......not really a grip at all but more of a rounded back side of the riser. I don't like grips THAT thin and if I want to shoot off a cold riser I will just take the grip off all together. The draw on the guardian is awful........just plain awful.........no way I would want that in my stand. 63lbs felt like 70lbs. After my first shot the owner says "How'd you like the draw?" I started laughing and he says "I know". The shot was sweet.........and I mean SWEET!!!. The bow is VERY pleasant during the shot. I felt VERY little in the grip and sound was very low. Nice shooter for sure.
After about 10 shots I say to the shop owner "This one is definately not for me" and he says "Wait until you see this"...........he then takes the bow from me and shows me the spot on the riser where the movable branch of the riser meets the limb in the middle and the finish on the riser arm had a line worn into it down to the metal from where the limb bracket was scraping the arm. YIKES!!!! Less then 100 shots and the serving was coming apart and one of the new moving parts had scraped right through the nice camo dipping. I will be more then surprised if this design lasts very long. It looks like they have a lot of tinkering to do before they nail this one. My opinion of this bow is that it has potential to be great but also potential to be disasterous.........only the future will tell which direction it takes. Lots of issues to be worked out...........but a sweet shooter. Anyone that goes to shoot one should stand aside and watch someone else draw this thing........the stress on the back half of those limbs is incredible.........almost enough to make you wince. The guardian also looks better in person then in mags IMO.

The Allegiance felt light and looked really good...........handled well and was overall not much different then last year's Allegiance, save for some riser tweaks and the new cams. Sadly the Allegiance showed similar (although not as bad) serving wear in the cams. This was disappointing. The bow drew nicely.........I wouldn't say great, but for a fast bow I would say pretty darn good. The draw was definately not a problem with this bow. Then I tripped the release and was shocked by how much I felt the shot go off in the riser. WOW. There was no stabilizer on it but I have to say I don't know if that much vibration could be solved with just a stabilizer. The bow was fast and respectably quiet for a bare bow. Trying to describe the feeling in my hand during the shot would be more of a large vibration vs a small buzz if that makes any sense.......sort of a much lower frequency like if someone hit the side of the riser with their fist...........and not like a high frequency buzz like if you hit a ball off the end of a bat. (Hope that made sense to someone)

Sigh...........I was pretty bummed at this point.

Last on the trip was the Drenalin. I really liked the realtree camo on this bow............just plain sharp looking and very well done. Man they are not kidding when they call them slim limbs The shop owner said they did a test on these new limbs and they are supposedly twice as strong as the old ones........since they are all lifetime warranty I didn't really see why anyone would care.........but I digress. The bow is what Mathews has become today in my opinion........a very good all around bow........a jack of all trades and master of none so to speak. It looks good but the string is junk...........it draws smooth as silk but is slow in today's world.........it shoots smooth as butter but the grip is bulky (like holding a hockey puck).
Certainly a wonderful bow but absolutely no wow factor at all. Smooth and quiet for sure.........but that can be said about 50 other bows on the market. The Drenalin was nice but left me yawning.........and there is NO WAY this bow is worth $850 (MSRP) selling for $800 was a joke IMO.


Once again my Patriot will be with me in the treetops next year. This sucks..........I really thought I was getting a new bow Hopefully I will get to shoot an equalizer sometime and see how it is...........last year's model was as close as I have come to getting a new bow..........and there is always the Vectrix I guess.


The only bow I took to the chronograph was the allegiance and it was 26 fps faster then my Patriot at 1 inch longer draw and nothing on the string........I equated this to about 10-12 fps faster if that.

The shop owner and I are friendly.......he knows I have money and no aversion to spending it on hunting stuff. He told me in his opinion that the nicest bow in the room was the one I brought with me.

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Nice to hear that actually. Someone not caught up in the hype. Personally i dont believe that bows get better every year. Different of course but not really better. The patriot was a great bow and if i were you i would keep it even if you do get a new one. I wishi had my liberty back. I really miss that bow. Maybe its time to check out some other bows besides bowtech and mathews.Check out my post titled HOYT,MATHEWS,BOWTECH...NOOOOO. Would like to hear your thoughts.

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You might try one of the new Hoyts. The new cams are pretty smooth, and they do make bows to fit every style, from a tiny speed bow to a long limbed target bow. Just a suggestion.

jmac

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I have not seen the bows get better every year........and I have shot all the big name bows newest stuff every year for the last 5 years. They are all certainly very very very nice bows and if I didn't already own a very nice bow I would have one of them. I love my Patriot but not so much that I would never get another bow..........I just know the one I get has to be as good or better. Haven't found one yet.

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Yes.........I would like to shoot the Vectrix, even though I have shot my brother's Trykon and don't see much difference in the two. I would like to shoot it to be sure though.

I like Hoyt.........almost bought a Razortech when I got my Patriot.

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well all I can say is that Bowtech and Mathews is not the only two brands in the world
and when it comes to mathews it is ALL hype but that is just my opinion.

Happy Holidays

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First off, if this is your situation, then there really is not that much to complain about.;)

Lots of new bows left to try, Pearson, the Ross Cardiac, new High Country bows. Maybe not by Christmas, but it sounds like you wife is encouraging you, so keep the project rolling until you find something you like better. In the meantime, the Patriot is a really good one to enjoy.:)

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What happen to my post ???????????

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Atlasman, you oughta post this on archertytalk..LOL, they'd fight over who got the torches first! :D
Good review. At least it has the appearance of an honest review vs. the fanboi type I usually read.
regards

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I will definately shoot other bows...........in all honesty I went to Bowtech because (at that time) they were the only ones who could give me respectable speeds at a 27" DL........now that others have done the same I have plenty more options.

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Yes.........my wife is very cool. We both have worked very hard to get where we are so that makes it much easier........but she was just as cool when we had no money in the bank.

I have plenty of time...........and will shoot plenty of bows. If nothing trips my trigger I will tote the Patriot out and be very happy.

I am just surprised/disappointed after reading so much positive feedback on these new bows..............I really thought I was in for something special.

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I'm not sure what you mean...........are you saying they would kill me over there because I didn't like the new bows?? I browse over there sometimes but not that much so I don't know the makeup of that crowd. There are PLENTY of hardcore Bowtech and Mathews guys here as well.

I own a Bowtech and love it so I guess I am a Bowtech guy to a certain degree.

I just wanted to give people a heads up on what I saw and felt when I shot these bows. Some of the issues I saw on the guardian were serious IMO.

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Atlas, when I bought my new Patriot('05) I actually did so because it felt better to me before and after the shot. I am thinking of trying an '07 Allegiance while keeping the Patriot. Perhaps even the Martin Pantera. All in all if you keep the Patriot as your hunting bow, thats not a bad choice. I've already decided it should be considered a legend.

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You honestly can't go wrong with the Patriot, it was one of my all time favorites for a hunting bow and honestly I liked it much better than my allegiance because it was almost as fast and MUCH smoother.

I would also check out the Rytera BulletX with both the vipro cam and nitrous cam and keep your eye on what they have coming after the ATA show later in January.

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well, where's all the staff shooters at today?

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Nice to see an honest review. Some people jump on the new bow bandwagon every year.

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That was an excellent and remarkably unbiased review of the new bows. One suggestion I would make is go back and try the Tribute and the Switchback XT and Also a Ross 331 or 334. I think you might like what you see in those 3 models, longer brace and extremely smooth. Last years technology really isn't anywhere near dated yet. Companies just spit out new stuff every year to generate new sales. But, I have to admit that I regret selling my Patriot also, it was a great bow.

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What exactly is there to say?
Atlas' opinions are his opinions........by me or anyone else having a different take on a bow like Guardian isn't going to change that so why bother? Everyone feels or takes away different things when they shoot a bow for the first time.
I KNOW the Guardian is the most recoil free quiet bow that I have personally ever shot. I have no concerns about reliability or durability and quite frankly think the draw cycle is pretty nice? But I'm not Atlas.
I would certainly encourage everyone to form their own opinions first hand because I have heard everything from "The 2nd coming" to "not impressed" for every new make and model out there.

I took my Guardian to a local 3D shoot this past Saturday and as you could imagine it was quite popular with almost 200 shooters in attendance.(It was like bringing a supermodel to the prom that day[:-])
I let quite a few guys shoot the 29"/70# model and no exxageration at least 6 ofthose people actuallymade the comment that they read on Archerytalk where people said the bow draws hard so they expected the draw cycle to be harsh........every one of those people who stated that all thought the draw cycle was SWEET.
These were all people who had a preconceived notion of the bow drawing poorlyahead of time and they didn't get that impression themselves even though the seed was planted ahead of time by what they read.
They simply couldn't understand what people were feeling other than maybe trying to shoot a bow that was too long for them since only 29" Guardians are going out.
One guy was shooting a 29"/70# Switchback and said thatmy Guardian draws nicer than his personal bow that he thought drew great to begin with. He too read the comments and could only shake his head. (It would be safe to say that most Switchback owners would feel that their bows draw nice?)

I didn't get one single comment about a poor draw cycle, not one, but did get quite a few positive ones even though I got quite a few comments about concerns over the center pivot etc that they were simply unsure about how it worked etc. I was looking for all feedback.......that's what I do.
I also got feedback from 2 local shops who have them and they said people are flipping out over how great the bow is.........
(Oh yeah even though I only had it for exactly 2 days it did pretty good in the shoot too.;))

So even though my experiences don't bear out what Atlas experienced doesn't mean he's wrong......it's just his take on it and you have to respect that.
So by Atlas feeling that the bow drew "awful" and by the first hand experiences I've had I can only say draw your own conclusions by trying it yourself.

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I've shot the Guardian twice at the local shop and I thought it drew pretty nice. It's designed to be a fast bow and fast bows are a little harderto draw because it's storing more energy. However some don't like fast bows and the work they need to do to shoot them. That's why BowTech has more than one bow to choose from:D

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Matt:

There was one comment thatcaught my attention immediately:

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.....he then takes the bow from me and shows me the spot on the riser where the movable branch of the riser meets the limb in the middle and the finish on the riser arm had a line worn into it down to the metal from where the limb bracket was scraping the arm.

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I checked the two Guardians that I have with a total of several thousand shots on them and can't find anything like what's stated. It would be nice to know what Dealer is involved because I'd like to call him to get a better explanation of what they're seeing because I can't find anything like it. If any Dealer would have a problem like that with any new product, you'd think they'd be on the phone with the manufacturer to get it resolved rather than making it an issue with a potential customer.:eek:

Another comment that seems odd was:

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........the stress on the back half of those limbs is incredible.....

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The 'stress' on the limb is equal to the point where you can see a nice rounded arc at full draw. The center pivot design is just that - a pivot that causes equal bending of the limb.

There were other initial comments that didn't 'wash' very well; but, like you said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.;)

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Ialso took note to check on this "wear spot" that was described on or near the Center Pivot arm. I seen no clearance issues anywhere and noted that the bushings are plainly visable between the arm and the limb block. Drawing the bow, nothing moved enough to decrease the clearances that are apparent at brace.

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I agree that she is pretty dead at the shot.


I have major concerns over the durability of guardian. Serving wear and moving parts digging into the finish on the riser in under 100 shots was very alarming to me. I can't tell anyone what I "felt" on the draw but I certainly know I wouldn't dream of toting that thing up a tree. I could draw my bow (and the allegiance) for that matter with half the effort and they were all within 1 lb of each other. The draw was perhaps the worst thing about the bow IMO. If you like the draw and haven't seen the wear I saw then I can see why you like the bow. I would too.


Agree 100%..........I was shocked at what I felt because I had heard and read almost nothing but praise...........you gotta shoot 'em yourself.

Just a thought Matt but I would be less inclined to tell someone who just bought a $700 bow that I didn't like it.........even if I didn't. Not saying that happened but comments made in that setting could be done so in a way not to hurt someone's feelings. Just something to think about.


I was the 5th person to shoot the new lineup and the only ones they have sold were sight unseen to the hardcore regulars who order the newest bow every year as soon as they come out. The shooters had mixed reviews and only one guy ordered one (a Drenalin). Granted that is only 4 guys and I have no idea how serious they were in the first place.



Nice.

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They did contact Bowtech.........I was there right before Christmas and they had not heard back yet.



That was just my observation..........when the bow was drawn the limb tips flexed down way more then I expected them to. Just my eyeballing looked like they were under a ton of stress. Nothing scientific there.......just something I thought was interesting considering the new design.

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There were other initial comments that didn't 'wash' very well; but, like you said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.;)

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Please elaborate...........maybe I can clear things up for you.

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They did contact Bowtech.........I was there right before Christmas and they had not heard back yet.

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Whenever I call BowTech, especially with a problem, someone is back to me within hours, not days. Just last week the GM called me about an issue where I left a message with a salesperson. Companies with that keen an interest in customer relations don't take a week to get back to someone.

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Please elaborate...........maybe I can clear things up for you.

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I think you've made yourself quite clear.

As far as any new design, there is always skepticism andpossible issues that may have to be addressed. Your 'issues', however, seem to be contrary to everything I've examined, the customer reactions encountered in my shop, and the majority of comments/analysis made on this and other forums.

While I accept opinions (2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge), I question statements of 'fact with questionable basis' which iscontrary to accredited analysis.
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I drew both the Guardian and the 07 Allegiance with smooth cams. I love Bowtechs and have beena huge fan since getting my 05 Allegiance. On drawing the two new bows for this year I will agree with Atlas that the Guardian is much stiffer than the 07 Allegiance. IMO it was stiffer than my 05 Allegiance.

The Guardian was set at 62 #s and felt like 70. The Allegiance was set at 65 and drew much nicer. What impressed me the most about the Allegiance was how nice it was to let down. Very smooth and easy which is important for hunting. My 05 wants to jump initially making a smooth let down difficult. The Guardian had a little jump too on let down, but not as bad as my Allegiance.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to shoot them. My hope is that Bowtech will listen to its customers (which they usually do) and come out with a smoother drawing Guardian next year. If they do, that will be my new bow. For now, there isn't anything that makes it worth replacing my baby yet.

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Perhaps you are misunderstanding Len. I was there shooting the bows on Christmas eve at 1 pm........I don't know when the call was placed......and I don't know if Bowtech called back 2 minutes after I left. I have not been back since so all I can tell you is what I know. I have known him for awhile and if he tells me he called Bowtech about it I have no reason not to believe him.

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As far as any new design, there is always skepticism andpossible issues that may have to be addressed. Your 'issues', however, seem to be contrary to everything I've examined, the customer reactions encountered in my shop, and the majority of comments/analysis made on this and other forums.

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There is another thread in this room and another person in this discussion that have pretty much identical comments to mine on the guardian draw............I agree that most people are/were raving about these bows and that is why I was so excited to go shoot them.........All I can do is be honest about what I felt and saw.

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While I accept opinions (2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge), I question statements of 'fact with questionable basis' which iscontrary to accredited analysis.

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It is what it is...........my experience with the bow is my opinion. The wear and tear I saw is fact. Pretty simple.........just a hunter that went to shoot some new bows telling what he felt and saw.

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Atlasman,

Will you please PM me the dealers name and location? I'd like to contact their Sales Rep. to make sure they've been contacted and of course I'm curious as to what this wear and tear you saw was.

Regards, Pat

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I try to keep an open mind about new designs; but, let's just face it, you don't like the design or looks of the bow. I base this on your first comments concerning the bow.

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.....but 2 things IMMEDIATELY jumped out at me. I didn't care for the extra moving parts, especially held in place by small clip like cotter pins. Looks like a way too many new areas added that could be a problem. Most of all on initial inspection the cables are twisted around in the cam like a pretzel with two posts set awkwardly close to each other.........just looking at it closely my initial fear was confirmed.......the serving on the cable was already coming apart in that area.

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And keep in mind that I made no comments about anyone's concern about draw cycle. That's completely a personal opinion much like the fit of a pair of shoes.

It's funny because initial commentsabout the MZE rest were almost identical to your initial comments about this bow design. The concept of thisrest became one of the most copied and it is still one of the mostpopular drop-away rests. I wonder if history will repeat for this bow design.;)

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now that's how you handle yo bidness

pat ='s the man

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Once again I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote........reading my post it is clear that I did like the look and design. I thought I made that pretty clear. I would not have even mentioned anything other then the draw if I had not seen the wear and tear after so few shots. That made me nervous about the long term viability.

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It's funny because initial commentsabout the MZE rest were almost identical to your initial comments about this bow design. The concept of thisrest became one of the most copied and it is still one of the mostpopular drop-away rests. I wonder if history will repeat for this bow design.;)

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Who knows.........I think it has potential to go either way.

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I appreciate that Pat but with all due respect I am gonna have to decline. When I bought my Patriot I had the cable rod fall out of it because a piece of machined alluminum was left in the riser hole.........I thought this was Bowtech's fault as they send out the bows assembled so I called them to voice my displeasure that this happened. They told me to take it back to the dealer and asks me where I got it.

Well, when I got to the dealer I could see the steam coming from his ears and he was cursing me and Bowtech up and down........they called him and blamed him and basically left me in the middle of a very uncomfortable situation.

That is how I ended up at the shop I currently frequent. I am not about to risk burning the only bridge I have left because frankly I don't care. This is the only GOOD pro shop within reasonable distance of my home so I hope you understand.

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you may want to check out what Richard over at Archery Pro/HCA is doingtheyhave a whole new line and they are very fast.

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shouldve tried hoyt. i got their new vectrix and i am amazed. then again if your happy with your patriot why change? dont fix it if it aint broke imo.

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Someone posted me a link earlier (or in another thread) and that new HCA looks interesting..........and FAST.

There are so many bows I would love to shoot but have none near by.......I would love to shoot the Elite Synergy or Envy.......just can't find them. Ross is another one.

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My brother owns a Trykon and it is sweet.............haven't shot the Vectrix yet but plan to. If I do end up getting a bow it won't be because my Patriot isn't good enough............just looking for a new toy.

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atlasman, I can see your point in the disappointment. This was my feeling when I shot with Hoyt for so many years. I just didn't feel Hoyt made a better bow than my 01 VorTec and couldn't see trading up. I loved the VorTec and couldn't put it down when shooting all the new ones. Of course at the time, I didn't try another manufacturer because I was with Hoyt. When I decided to "retire" with Hoyt I also decided I wanted a new bow this year, I went out and shot the top 3 and was so impressed with the Trykon and Allegiance that I purchased both, sold my VorTec to a very close friend for a steal and he absolutely loves it now too.

I'd be hard pressed to put down either, especially the Allegiance against these new bows. I'm going to shoot them just to see what everyone is talking about and see who knows their stuff and whose being a "fanboy" as someone put's it. I think I already know the answer to some.

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Hey Len,

I don't think I have posted for about a year, but felt like this one deserved comment. I have a new Guardian as well as an example of almost every new high end bow out at this time. The Guardian is interesting, but I still have a bow from 30 years ago with a similar center pivot. So much for the "Refuse to Follow" Slogan. Kind ofreminds me of the Mathews roller cable guard that is so popular. I have an old Martin with a cruder, but similar arrangement.

The Guardian is very still in the hand and quiet, but IMHO a far from lovely draw. The serving wear is simply stupid. Let me repeat that. The serving wear is simply stupid! The design has good potential, but the Guardian IMHO is not quite ready for prime time. Maybe the Commander will win my heart.....

I like my Guardian,but it won't be with me inAfrica, Wyoming, or Colorado nextyear. My guess is that it won't be in the woods with you either.....be honest. It's cute and fast, but there are a lot of other bows that I would prefer to hunt with. By the way....how many have you sold?

Give Atlasman a break. He called it like he saw it.....something I use to think you did too.

PS.....the ZE is still a great rest (except on a roller guard Mathews IMHO)

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Nubbb:

If you can find anywhere where I've ever been been less than honest, I'll remove myself from these forums and never return. I have been hunting with the Guardian for the past two weeks.:D It is rigged with a Limbdriver rest, VG sight, and Wild Thing stabilizer that is extended 4" out and 3" down with an offset stabilizer. Arrows are CT Rhinos weighing about 490 grains. The rig is in a SKB Field soft case in the back of my truck and hopefully will see more action this afternoon. You're more than welcome to stop by to see the rig or send a second to verify.

As far as anyone's opinions on the bow, that's their privilege. It's also my privilege to counter with facts, questions, and personal observations. atlasman's comments about draw cycle and feel are his opinions and your defendinghim is commendable.

The bow from 30 years ago with the center pivot was NOT successful, much the same as the Graham Dynabow was not a successful one cam bow. The serving issue is something that can happen with ANY bow and I'm sure that will be or has been addressed by BowTech.

The fact that they spent 3 years developing this product means it wasn't just an afterthought. Give them a break. Are there a few issues? You bet. Will they be resolved? You bet. If you'll notice, I addressed technical issues and not draw cycle/feel. Those are personal. I also questioned the damage to the finish because, for the life of me, I can't comprehend how that could happen. Then his answers, if I understand them correctly, are that he doesn't want to irritate his shop because he's alienated the other shop in town. Sometimesit's not the information, but how it's presented.;)

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Where is the serving wear occuring? I didn't see any on the one in the shop.

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Len,

I would NEVER accuse you of being less than honest. You have always been a fine and objective evaluator of archery products. I simply felt that you were putting your objectivity a little behind your loyalty to Bowtech.

I am glad that you are trying the Guardian in the field. I may try the Commander fooling around on Hogs or Turkey.....the Guardian wont cut it for me in the field.

Atlasman would be a fool to reveal his shop as you and I both know. Bowtech has done a nice job with this design, but........ when Hunting the draw cycle is more important to most than the dead in hand part IMHO. Remember the Black Knight II? I still have a couple... Fast as heck....but OOH what a draw cycle!

My hopes for the Commander are high...... The serving wear at this point is ridiculous for a bow of this grade. If your cams are this rough on strings, either use better strings (Winners Choice come to mind), or redesign your cam. The quest for those couple of extra FPS causes manufacturers to make poor design decisions as we both know.

Last year in Alaska I was so happy to be shooting a SMOOTH drawing bow in the frigid cold rather than a shoulder pounder.

At the show we'll see what strings they put on the demos. My guess is better ones than they are shipping the Guardian with.

Some of my Bowtech bows of the past few years are among my favorites, maybe the Commander will be as well.

Atlasman......I haven't had wear on my finish, but I think your evaluation was pretty straight up.....and your keeping the shop's name out of it smart.

Len, good luck in the field this afternoon. I plan a little duck hunting this afternoon myself, I'll be using Hevishot instead of CTs though.

Cheers!

Nubbb