RE: Disappointed in the new Bowtech and Mathews bows
 

I appreciate that Pat but with all due respect I am gonna have to decline. When I bought my Patriot I had the cable rod fall out of it because a piece of machined alluminum was left in the riser hole.........I thought this was Bowtech's fault as they send out the bows assembled so I called them to voice my displeasure that this happened. They told me to take it back to the dealer and asks me where I got it.

Well, when I got to the dealer I could see the steam coming from his ears and he was cursing me and Bowtech up and down........they called him and blamed him and basically left me in the middle of a very uncomfortable situation.

That is how I ended up at the shop I currently frequent. I am not about to risk burning the only bridge I have left because frankly I don't care. This is the only GOOD pro shop within reasonable distance of my home so I hope you understand.

RE: Disappointed in the new Bowtech and Mathews bows
 

you may want to check out what Richard over at Archery Pro/HCA is doingtheyhave a whole new line and they are very fast.

RE: Disappointed in the new Bowtech and Mathews bows
 

shouldve tried hoyt. i got their new vectrix and i am amazed. then again if your happy with your patriot why change? dont fix it if it aint broke imo.

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Someone posted me a link earlier (or in another thread) and that new HCA looks interesting..........and FAST.

There are so many bows I would love to shoot but have none near by.......I would love to shoot the Elite Synergy or Envy.......just can't find them. Ross is another one.

RE: Disappointed in the new Bowtech and Mathews bows
 

My brother owns a Trykon and it is sweet.............haven't shot the Vectrix yet but plan to. If I do end up getting a bow it won't be because my Patriot isn't good enough............just looking for a new toy.

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atlasman, I can see your point in the disappointment. This was my feeling when I shot with Hoyt for so many years. I just didn't feel Hoyt made a better bow than my 01 VorTec and couldn't see trading up. I loved the VorTec and couldn't put it down when shooting all the new ones. Of course at the time, I didn't try another manufacturer because I was with Hoyt. When I decided to "retire" with Hoyt I also decided I wanted a new bow this year, I went out and shot the top 3 and was so impressed with the Trykon and Allegiance that I purchased both, sold my VorTec to a very close friend for a steal and he absolutely loves it now too.

I'd be hard pressed to put down either, especially the Allegiance against these new bows. I'm going to shoot them just to see what everyone is talking about and see who knows their stuff and whose being a "fanboy" as someone put's it. I think I already know the answer to some.

RE: Disappointed in the new Bowtech and Mathews bows
 

Hey Len,

I don't think I have posted for about a year, but felt like this one deserved comment. I have a new Guardian as well as an example of almost every new high end bow out at this time. The Guardian is interesting, but I still have a bow from 30 years ago with a similar center pivot. So much for the "Refuse to Follow" Slogan. Kind ofreminds me of the Mathews roller cable guard that is so popular. I have an old Martin with a cruder, but similar arrangement.

The Guardian is very still in the hand and quiet, but IMHO a far from lovely draw. The serving wear is simply stupid. Let me repeat that. The serving wear is simply stupid! The design has good potential, but the Guardian IMHO is not quite ready for prime time. Maybe the Commander will win my heart.....

I like my Guardian,but it won't be with me inAfrica, Wyoming, or Colorado nextyear. My guess is that it won't be in the woods with you either.....be honest. It's cute and fast, but there are a lot of other bows that I would prefer to hunt with. By the way....how many have you sold?

Give Atlasman a break. He called it like he saw it.....something I use to think you did too.

PS.....the ZE is still a great rest (except on a roller guard Mathews IMHO)

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Nubbb:

If you can find anywhere where I've ever been been less than honest, I'll remove myself from these forums and never return. I have been hunting with the Guardian for the past two weeks.:D It is rigged with a Limbdriver rest, VG sight, and Wild Thing stabilizer that is extended 4" out and 3" down with an offset stabilizer. Arrows are CT Rhinos weighing about 490 grains. The rig is in a SKB Field soft case in the back of my truck and hopefully will see more action this afternoon. You're more than welcome to stop by to see the rig or send a second to verify.

As far as anyone's opinions on the bow, that's their privilege. It's also my privilege to counter with facts, questions, and personal observations. atlasman's comments about draw cycle and feel are his opinions and your defendinghim is commendable.

The bow from 30 years ago with the center pivot was NOT successful, much the same as the Graham Dynabow was not a successful one cam bow. The serving issue is something that can happen with ANY bow and I'm sure that will be or has been addressed by BowTech.

The fact that they spent 3 years developing this product means it wasn't just an afterthought. Give them a break. Are there a few issues? You bet. Will they be resolved? You bet. If you'll notice, I addressed technical issues and not draw cycle/feel. Those are personal. I also questioned the damage to the finish because, for the life of me, I can't comprehend how that could happen. Then his answers, if I understand them correctly, are that he doesn't want to irritate his shop because he's alienated the other shop in town. Sometimesit's not the information, but how it's presented.;)

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Where is the serving wear occuring? I didn't see any on the one in the shop.

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Len,

I would NEVER accuse you of being less than honest. You have always been a fine and objective evaluator of archery products. I simply felt that you were putting your objectivity a little behind your loyalty to Bowtech.

I am glad that you are trying the Guardian in the field. I may try the Commander fooling around on Hogs or Turkey.....the Guardian wont cut it for me in the field.

Atlasman would be a fool to reveal his shop as you and I both know. Bowtech has done a nice job with this design, but........ when Hunting the draw cycle is more important to most than the dead in hand part IMHO. Remember the Black Knight II? I still have a couple... Fast as heck....but OOH what a draw cycle!

My hopes for the Commander are high...... The serving wear at this point is ridiculous for a bow of this grade. If your cams are this rough on strings, either use better strings (Winners Choice come to mind), or redesign your cam. The quest for those couple of extra FPS causes manufacturers to make poor design decisions as we both know.

Last year in Alaska I was so happy to be shooting a SMOOTH drawing bow in the frigid cold rather than a shoulder pounder.

At the show we'll see what strings they put on the demos. My guess is better ones than they are shipping the Guardian with.

Some of my Bowtech bows of the past few years are among my favorites, maybe the Commander will be as well.

Atlasman......I haven't had wear on my finish, but I think your evaluation was pretty straight up.....and your keeping the shop's name out of it smart.

Len, good luck in the field this afternoon. I plan a little duck hunting this afternoon myself, I'll be using Hevishot instead of CTs though.

Cheers!

Nubbb