Great post here...
Another solution...get a Darton Tempest, which has draw length adjustments of a 1/8". Still, you will have to doctor with it to get it perfect, but still, have that little range of adjustability helps tremendously!

campo, that does sound like a very nice feature.

Gibblet

You hit the preverbial nail right on the preverbial headwith your post
I just hope you didn't mash your preverbial thumb with your eyes swollen shut-N-all I cant help it I had to poke on you a little I hope you get to feeling better soon!

I take it you've changed your mind about pressing bows?

It's just another piece of the puzzle for the puzzled as I can see it. One reason I bought a Hoyt and don't care for the Trykon. I don't think I would like having to change mods.Ishortened my Dl when I started shooting with my jacket. Noticed the string hit my sleeve.It doesn't now. Could have been costly if I wouldn't have practised it first. I didn't have that problem last year. Funny. I must be shrinking.

Sorry to here about the PI.

Gibblet:

If I weren't so tired from working in the shop7 days a week and up to 16 hours a dayfor the past 4 months, I'd sit here and work up a lengthy response. Basically there are many reasons why tournament shooters shoot the style form that they do and many reasons why hunters shouldn't emulate them. The problem is that hunters have copied tournament form for many years because they 'appear' to shoot so well.

Well, they do shoot well, but in their environment. And that environment is nothing like a hunting environment. Think about it for a minute. Time to practice before the first shot is taken, 2 minutes to take a shot, excellent to moderate climate, limited clothing,shooting at a stationary target, shooting in good to excellent lighting,shooting lower poundage,etc.

However, a hunting environment is very different and the form must be accommodating. The draw length will be different but the essentialanchors must always be maintained.

Good night.
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The fine tuning of draw length that was possible with my single cam Patriot is a feature that I truly miss. I can see myself going back to a single cam ( and length adjustable ) bow for my next one. I may move over to a Diamond or a Ross if they have a similar feature.

Len,

In regards to target specific setups, do you not see guys changing anchor point slightly from a target bow thats used for FITA/Field (long distance out to 90 meters) as compared to an indoor bow used only at 20 yards, or a hunting/3D bow that is used out to 50 yards?

I have been taught by my coach to setup peep height/anchor point for the average distance that any particular rig is going to be used for in it's intended purpose. I don't remember exact numbers on peep height, but I have identical Apex 7's (one 56lbs, one 71lbs) and one is for 3D specifically, the other is for fita/field/indoors. When the one was setup for field/fita, I had the peep almost 3/8" lower than the 71lb bow because of the different distances they were used for, I set the 3D rig's peep to be comfortable at 30 yards, the fita/field rigs peep at 50 meters. This made me much more consistent out on the 70+ yard shots on the field course, and the 70m and 90m targets in FITA.

Is this not common or is there another way to do this other than a $500+ hoggernaut?

this is why i'm a little confused on the subject. len says he uses the same bow @ the same draw and poundage for everything - but changes his form for hunting.

and i sure can understand how busy you are len. maybe late winter we can get into it a little on here - when you may have a bit of time. i think there are a fair number of us interested in the topic.

I'm one of the lucky ones and have had a little forminstruction from Len.

The biggest single form difference, for me, from target to hunting is the bow arm shoulder. With target you have light clothing and don't have to worry muchabout string clearance. You can move your shoulder closer to the arrow at full draw. This can give youa steadier sight picture and you can tune it to the least range of motion possible for you.

When we are hunting with heavier clothes, we have to consider string clearance. The bow arm shoulder has to be much further away from the arrow at full draw.

You are also making shots fromodd and changing positions. So youusuallyneed a bow with a shorter draw length for hunting than for target. For me, it's about 3/8". The shorter DL allows you to keep your anchor consistent without creeping or collapsing on the shot.

There is more to this, but I'll let Len address them when things slow down in the shop.

i don't want to open a can o' worms, but that's the only reason i use an sts on my hunting bow - so i don't have to worry about my clothes - so i don't have to change my form in that way.

i think w/ the 3d events in these mtns, hunting form and3d aren't really any different where form is concerned. sometimes thereare absolutely0 shots on an entire course that are anywhere close to level.
at least hunting from a stand like we do in the east your featand/or seat is generally level.