perfectly tuned bows
 

How do you know that your bow is or is not perfectly tunned. I have paper tunned it and it shoot bullet holes but is there any other way to tell. I ask because i have some arrows that fly a little crazy, they still hit very close to where i wont them to but looks like they kick at first. I am also hitting the same with broadheads and field points with most arrows. thanks for the help and info.
Mac

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If you are shooting bullet holes, you're in tune. The most likely culprit is bow torque. Loosen up the grip a bit.

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it could be your arrow shoot a group the arrow that dont fly right make a small mark on it where yo wont see it and shoot a group again if it does it again you will know is that arrow that need attention

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I'm sorry, but just because you're shooting bullet holes does NOT mean you're properly tuned. Form errors can sometimes compensate for incorrect centershot, arrow inconsistency, and arrow spine.

You're also not properly tuned if you're only tuning at one distance. And once you get it properly paper tuned, there are other steps that will enhance your tuning.

Proper tuning is best defined as a "Tuning Trilogy": Tune the bow, tune the arrow and tune the archer. Unless you have all three in synch, you don't have a tuned system. I did a seminar on this subject a few years ago and they published it in one of the trade journals.

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It sounds like your bow is tuned correctly. Sometimes I think we all wounder about our bows being tuned. If you are shooting groups like you say and are happy with them not mess with it. The one arrow shooting off could have something wrong with it. Mark it and shoot it a few times if it does not shot like the rest get ride of it.
GOOD HUNTING.......

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Len said it.

When it happens you'll know it. You'll know then when you aren't.

I am down to just a few shafts myself and have been shooting broadheads lately. One arrow just will not fly right regardless of what I do with it, The other @ 30 will just about drill the same hole every time. You could also have a bad shaft.

I prefer goup tuning myself. Calls for putting a level line across the target and shooting some good shafts at the line from 15,20,25 yrds. Adjusting the nock hieght untill they all hit the line (then going to the next distance and doing it again). After that I do a verticle line from 20,25,30,35,40 with the same shaft adjusting the center shot until the drop right down the line using the same pin for all shots. Takes days and the weather has to be right. I do have a rest that's micro, micro adjustable. A huge help.

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i think a great way to test tuning is to bare shaft tune... Thats how i knew i was shooting good. when my bare shafts group w/ my fletched shafts

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What Len said , and a guess that you may have fletch contact on some arrows , if it is the same arrows that allways fishtail , if they are random , bow toqure is another suspect .

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I have a question about this site. Why can we not copy and paste text into the message boxes anymore? This is the only site I go to that does this. I typed a fairly lengthy response this question and when I went to post it it timed out and didn't post for some reason. And unfortunately there is no way to save the text and paste it back into a new message box and post it on the forum. My only choice is to re type the whole thing, but to be honest I can't remember everything I typed, nor do I feel like typing all of it over again. This has happened a few times to me lately and I am getting pretty anoyed with it. I would actually prefer to type longer posts in WORD and then paste them here, but that is not an option any more either.

Am I the only one that has this problem? Is there a way to fix it? I may quit posting if I can't find a way around this.

Paul

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As IJimmy mentioned, Len really knows his stuff. When the thread was called perfectly tuned bows, I thought he might reply. Anywho, your bow sounds like it is at least close to a good tune, if not there. I suspect that your arrows that don't seem to be flying right are due to 1) a rough release or torque, 2) poor nock alignment or a damaged nock, 3) fletch contact. In any case, if it only happens with some arrows, and not the others, then you can't tune it out with rest adjustments, etc. It is an arrow problem most likely.

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If right clicking and copying and pasting doesn't work for you... try this:


To copy text, highlight it and then press Ctrl + 'C'

To paste press Ctrl + 'V'

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This tuning thing comes up a lot, and it should since it is so important to good arrow flight, tight groups, broadhead consistency, and penetration in animals.

Paper is a rough tune (and you must check it at several distances for it to be of any use at all), bareshaft tuning gets you much much better, and then there are some other things worth doing too, like broadhead tuning if you hunt.

I'm a big proponent of bareshaft tuning, as is Paul. Sorry to seeyou had trouble buddy. He explains it well, and often. Check recent posts of his or look for tuning topics in the last few pages of Technical. Now, to be clear, I'm not talking about just the 'bareshaft tuning' where you shoot at very close range to seeif thearrow is leaving the bow at an angle.

I'm talking aboutshooting groups of fletched an unfletchedshaftsat several distances out past your max hunting range. You then compare the distance between the two groups. Make adjustments, and then do it again until the groups of fletched and unfletched shafts are superimposed on each other-meaning that they are centered at the same spot.

This can tell you WAY WAY more about what your arrows are doing in the air than paper,and the end result is amazing. When you get it dialed in, there is no wobble, kick, corckscrew, or anything in your arrow's path except a bit of drop. It's beautiful when you get it. Check it out, and see for yourself.

-Bulz

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This is what control C did, it copied it, but it put it made it a quote as soon as I opened the message window, I didn't "put" it there, it just happened. Control P opens my Printer properties menu. I just printed a pretty copy of this message window;).

The problem is there is when you right click there is on option to paste. You can select all and copy, but it does you no godd when there is no option to paste. It doesn't read the window as text, it reads it as some sort web page or something? I don't know that much about HTML so I don't know how to explain it. All I know is the menu that pops up when you right click here is not the same menu I get on any other message board.

Paul

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My bad....

Not control 'P' use control +'V'

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Hey, you edited your message, control V works. Thanks a million, saved me many a headaches. Whish I would have known this sooner. I will test it and see if it works with WORD as well. And the cool thing is a just found out an easy way to quote people. Which sort of annoys me actually, so I doubt I will do it much.

I will get back on topic now. I will post my opinions on tuning in a little while if I have time. Sorry for Hi Jacking the thread.


Paul

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Glad to help. Even if it takes me a couple of trys...

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I feel I should explain a bit further:

Why would you want fletched and unfletched shafts to hit the same spot?
Who cares? Won't we always shoot with fletched shafts?

The reason is this...
If they are hitting different places, then your fletching is compensating for some mismatch of forces within the bow/arrow/shooter system. The bare shafts are showing you the raw data (what the arrow wants to do from being acted on by the bow and shooter, a scientific 'control' if you will), and the fletched ones are showing you what your fletches are doing to the arrow's flight because things aren't right.

You don't want to rely on your fletch to get the arrow going in the right direction with the right orientation. The shaft's spine, rest, your form, and stuff should take care of that.The fletch is just there to keep the arrow on it's path and provide stability once it's in flight.

Even if you are shooting bullet holes in paper, you can still have a foot or more of difference in point of impact at 20 or 30 yards. When you bareshaft it down to hitting the same spot, paper will still show you a bullet hole.

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I wish my trilogy was perfected:D.

Control +C , my oh my where has that trick been!!
NowI can spell check my post on word again, thanks for the tip!