I've had it with kisser buttons, going back to just using a little serving for a small reference point or no kisser at all. What is the sense of using one if you cannot get comfortable with it? I'd put a peep back on, but since I refuse to hunt with one I am not doing that either. Manufactured kisser buttons suck IMO.[>:]

coug, tell us how you really feel.

lol, really. Cougar, I'd never recommend a kisser button. I really don't see the point under most circumstances....The Peep however, yes, I'd recommend them most of the time. The new Tru Peep with the huge aperature might be up your alley...What is the issue with peeps for ya? With todays fiber optic sights, if you can't see the deer, it's too dark to shoot with or without a peep.

Curious Coug, I respect ya enough to know you know what your doing but why ya hatin on peeps?

i bet the same reason i hate on them for hunting, can't see thru them late. the new 1/4" ones may cure that though.

I use an eliminator button served in place for a kisser, it will never shoot off.

I'm colorblind... all those fiber optics look the same to me.. a little bit of a light - so I will stick with my no-peep.

I have one of those new magnesium G5 1/4" peeps on order. They only weigh 2.5 grains !!!!!!

A peep in a dark interior ground blind is a bad thing at dawn & dusk, ask the "2"+ outside the ears" ten point I had to let walk because I couldn't see through the danged thing[:'(].
I'm a no-peeper now, where's that ten at????

TerryM= I think i just found the peep that is going on my new Alligiance when i get it, that G5 looks like the ticket!

Gibblet= as soon as i get it i will be contacting you for a royal(Airforce) blue string....man i can't wait!!!

Coug, I keep tellin' you to get rid of the peeps, kissers and sights altogher. That stuff is okay for shooting targets but I think it's all worse than worthless in the hunting woods. Peep turns the wrong way. Can't see the pins or can't see the animal or both unless the lighting conditons are within certain parameters. And the peep and sights at least partially block your vision of everything, specifically the animal and it's immediate surroundings. The bow itself blocks off half your field of view, because it's sticking up there, just like getting stuck in one of the cheap seats behind one of the building columns at a basketball game. You only get to see half of the game.

Learn to shoot barebow. No peep, sights or kissers to try and peer though. You can cant the bow over and take it out of your field of vision also, so you have pretty much the full panoramic view of the scene. When you don't have all that fooferaw in front of your face, you can see everything, in alllighting conditions - except total darkness, of course.

Focus your concentrationon the spot behind the critter's shoulder, be aware of the arrow's tip in your peripheral vision for elevation reference, and let fly. A good anchor that puts the arrow directly under your master eye so you shoot down the center, thenalittle practice to ingrain the proper elevation sight picture for different distances. You're good to go.You should be shooting apple size groups at 35-40 yards in a few weeks time. And a deer's heart is how big?