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dave, i don't know about your twisting question, i've never tried it. i will now though.

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I'm not asking because I've never run into this problem[&o].

If It's doable I'll reconsider, but here's the situation-
Sitting in abrush blind on a seat that put's your thighs parallel to the ground, knee's bent at a 90* angle. The deer that was off to theleft at 20 yards when you drewis now 13yards in front of you (your zipper is pointed at her), but still providing a broadside shot. You follow her with your drawn bow by twisting your upper body only (seat doesn't rotate, can't make any noise shuffling feet) - extend the shoulders and - nothing pull a little harder and nothing. Brain goes into what-the -heck mode and tell's your finger to pull on the release's trigger, but now it's too late- she's gone before you could figure it out. Maybe I was using back tension wrong(somewhat similar to C-Woods-Shoot example above, without the elbow trick), but it never failed me in the backyard.

I'm glad this happened when it did because it wasn't15 minutes later when I putthe hole in the buck in my pic. Had the doe not provided the lesson I might have had to learn on him- which might have taken 30 seconds longer than I needed.

This is just one poor man's example of what worked and didn't work for me. In a perfect world all hunting shot's should only be taken when perfect form exist, I just don't exist there.

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that's a great story. sounds like back tension made your day one way or the other :D:D:D



actually, goofing with it. if you hold yours arms like your going to shoot, without your bow, and twist in the manner you describe, its easy to feel the 'squish' of the rhomboid your supposed to use for bt by continuing the release elbow around while the rest of you stops.

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Greg,

I guess the answer to that question is yes, the release can be fired that way, however it is VERY critical to form and fitment when shooting like that with a BT/hinge style release. I am lucky to have access to a 60 yard indoor facility where I can practice up and downhill angled shots so I am used to it and prepared fo those scenarios, however it is not easy or ideal. I shot the harrisburg sportsmans show with one, and that was nothing but weird angles and bending at the waist. I do not however hunt with a BT release. I do hunt with a thumb trigger handheld though, as I feel I am much more accurate with that and develop less bad habits with it as compared to a index finger trigger style release. I actually bought a cobra green mamba index finger release last september, and only a week into shooting it I was punching the trigger, so I sold it and bought a wrist strap for my TRU Ball Ultra Xtreme. This is what I hunted with.

I guess the short answer is this. Do you shoot a bow primarily because of bowhunting? Or do you shoot because you hope to someday be competitive on the state and national level in 3D/Spots/Field archery? If you desire to be highly competitive, then a BT may be for you. If you want to be a good shot for hunting, it may not be the best option or use of your time. It will take you 6 months of dedication to it to shoot well with one.

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6 months for rickjames ='s 10 months for me. he's a much quicker study.

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Great information on this thread, thanks for sharing your experiences.

Ausie,

Thanks again for your help and opinions.

Rick James,

I appreciate knowing how long it will take to learn back tension and I would like to hear more about why you have two releases. What are the advantages of the one you use for hunting?

C-Woods-shoot,

Thanks for the information and description. Your description gave me another option to test out. I will give it a try. Sounds like as long as we do something consistent, we will get good results.


Oldhootowl,

Like I said before… I flip burgers and “mic” how thick the cheese is! :DOn a serious note, I started off as a pilot, then obtained my FAA A&P certification and worked as a Citation Jet Technician for about 7 years. During that time, I went to Embry Riddle Aeronautical University and received my B.S. degree in Aviation Business Administration with a minor in Aviation Safety (aircraft accident investigation). I currently have been in an administrative position for 5 years for a large aircraft company. To justify why I’m the way I am, I will list the following. In my line of work I have been accustomed to making judgment calls on high dollar equipment and it always comes down to thousandths of an inch.We work on airframes/structures, engines, electrical, hydraulic, and pneumatic systems on a daily bases. Try rigging 70 feet of flight control cables for one of these jets and you will see that there is only one sweet spot to get flight characteristics that are acceptable to a flight crew. I bring this example up to correlate how and why I did the same thing with my bow cables. I was looking for that sweet spot. I would rather rig my bow any day over 8 different systems on one of these corporate jet. I can’t help, but take my hobbies to the same level as I did when I was a technician; this in itself, drives most people and friends of mine nuts. I apologize for my extensive tinkering all the time, but it is who I am. I practice shooting almost every night, so I don’t just tinker and tune, I get to see the actual results. I live in the city and work in the city, but I dream of living in the mountains with my family and working at a place like Cabelas or a place that performs in field tests and evaluations on hunting and fishing gear. I need to put all that technical training to good use right?Nice talking to you.:)

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You keep on riggin them flight controls, and I will keep on yankin and bankin!!

Good post on the BCS. I have been thinking about a new Allegience, but my Liberty is such a sweeeeeeeeettshooter!

Thought I'd say hello to a fellow aviator!

You wouldn't be out of CMH would you?

NC

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I'm out of SMF Citation Service Center. We have 9 Service Centers throughout the US and a couple overseas. Headquarters is out in Wichita Kansas. What are you flying these days? If it's a Citation I'll take a guess and say you work for NetJets???;)Nice to meet you.

The Liberty from what I hear is a great bow, but after you get a few years on it, you may want to try one of the newest editions to the BowTech family. Looks like you don't post very often, soif you get a new bow, let us know how you like it.

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Yep, you got me pegged!! If you work onany CE560 Ultra with a QS tail, then I have flown it! hahaha

You guys do GREAT work at the service centers! We really appreciate you!

I will keep you posted on the new bow. I love the Bowtechs!!

NC

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Ausie-guy

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Ausie,

I tried the 65% let-off the last couple nights and I can not hold as steady as I do with 80% let-off. 80% let-off gives me the best accuracy with this binary cam bow.