Tribute Chrono results: Update 3/17
 

I went with a Buddy of mine to Gander this weekend and shot at the indoor range and chronoed the new Tribute I have against his LX.

I am using Easton Realtree Hardwoods Green Camo carbons that are 28 inches and 9.1 gpi with a 100gr head. My draw length is 29 and the Bow setup with the speed cam and at approx 60-65 lbs ( Not been on scale yet, but we turned it down from factory 70.8) My first few arrows were at approx 267-269 fps. His was shooting278 with unknown 26 inch un-camoed (black)arrows with 7.5 gpi and 100gr headso I used his arrow in my bow and mine was 279 fps. He used my arrows in his LX and shot aolmost the same as mine 266-268 fps.

My question is. How do you calculate your finished arrow weight? Does the 9.1 on the arrow account for flectings,inserts,and nocks. If so my arrow is only 354.80gfinished and at that weight I should be shooting much faster I would think. If I can shoot the lighter arrow and it still satisfy my required bow specs I will switch for sure to gain 10-12 fps.

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The arrow weight would be the weight per inch in grains X the number of inches the shaft is and then add the weight of the insert, nock and insert if any is used, the weight of the fletching and the weight of the point. Just measure each arrow on a scale, I use a reloading powder scale for mine. The brace height on your Tribute is 7.5 inches and the LX I believe is 6 5/8 inches,, lot of difference in brace height;)

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Nope that is the weight per inch of the shaft.

best way is weigh them on a grain scale.

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Thanks for the response. Do you guys know what I should gestimate the insert,fletchings and nocks at? I know that I have 28 inches @9.1gpi +100gr head so total now is 354g. I assume that the extras listed above would add 100g...maybee. Thus I am guessing I amshooting a 454g arrow which was chronoed at 269. Still seems slow to me.

My 05 Tomkat shot the same arrows @ 260 fps with the single cam. I know the Tribute has to be faster than that....

Do not get me wrong here. This is the best bow I have ever owned an shoots like no other. I have no problems hitting the X's on a 5spot 95% of the time at 20yrds. If I can gain speed and be safe I will switch arows for sure. But it is kinda like getting rid of your lucky underwear, I never used anything but Easton.

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Nocks should be about 12gr's insert depending on arrow should be 15 to 20 gr's the fletching weight will also depend on the type and lenght of fletching.

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Here's my speed 289. Time after time I clocked that out of my tribute. I shoot black Gold Tip Hunters 7595. I'm not sure of the grain weight yet cause I haven't weighed them. They fly awesome, and I'm shooting fast. Maybe it'll work for you.

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Guessing arrow weight can get you close, but there's no better way to know than actually weighing them. The amount of glue holding the insert inand thefletchings on could vary the results, not to mention the type of fletching itself.

Another thing that sticks out is the amount you let off the limb bolts from maxed out. Unless your buddies bow & tomcat were let out the same amount you'll have a hard time comparing apples to apples.

Scale each bow, weigh the arrows, account for draw length (1 inch = 9-10 fps) , make sure the cam timing marks are "on" and that your bow is getting ~80% let-off and then you can start comparing the end results.

Until then the results are rough comparisons at best IMHO.

Let us know what you find :)

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Just to correct the numbers..

Iwas shooting myMathews 05 SWB set @ 70#/29" draw and shooting a GT Pro Hunter Black 5575 (8.2 grains per inch) cut to 28" with standard GT vanes (not sure on weight), Inserts (14.2 grains), no clue on the nock weightand 100 grain practice tip.The SWB has nothing on the string but a loop and no tube peep. Hope this helps.

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Buck,

I just did some math and if you are shooting the average 4" vanes then your total arrow weight is going to be around 410gr, give or take a few.
The nock weighs 12gr. Insert is 15gr. Three 4" vanes are about 25-30gr. Add this to the 354gr for the arrow and point.

Speed is also going to be dependent on how much junk is on the string and where it is located. Also what type of string material is used. How long the center serving is. There are so many variables in every setup.

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Zingnut, I think you need to measure them arrows again. No nock just shaft, mine are longer than yours and mine are exactly 28 shaft only.

Thanks for the info fellas on the grains etc.

My bow has string leaches top and bottom. Speed knocks,peep with no tube and a D loop.

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try this calculator chttp://home.att.net/~sajackson/arrow_axis.htmlalculator

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Until you pull your bow on a scale and weigh the arrows you are only going to be guessing and driving yourself crazy. I know I have before. [8D]

Go pull the bow on a scale, weighthe arrows and then shoot through a chronograph.

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Ok, wemt back to Gander and got 1/2 dozen Gold Tip 3555 27.5 inches. The finished weight with all items such as nock, tip,glue,vanes etc is 360. We put my bow on the scale and it is exactly 60lbs.

We ran them thru the chrono and got the same numbers as earlier 287-289 with the gold tips and 267 with the eastons.

That calculates to 6g per pound of draw weight which I understand is flirting with the 5g minimum that most manufactures suggest. You all think that 6g per pound is acceptable? I shoot about 3-4 days a week and do not want to risk reliability and integrrity of the bow.

The good think is I had one of my 4 blade muzzy practice tips with me and it was dead on at 20yrds with the new Gold tips. The same tip on my easton was high left 2-3 inches. 6 shots with the muzzy equiped GT and all bulls. When we paper tuned it it was spot on also.

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Buck442, shooting 6 grains per pound is more than exceptable on your bow. Most hunters today drop down to the 5 grains per pound without faults. You won't have any problems with this setup but I am concerned that you bought a 70.8 lb Tribute and have back down all the way to 60 lbs. I assume you want to work into more poundage or why didn't you just purchase a 60 lb bow?

You have a real nice set up, congratulations and enjoy.

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Wow, I missed the part about shooting a 70# bow at 60#. You're giving up a lot by doing that. All bows shoot at peak effeciency when they are maxed out or close to it. If you are intending on shooting that bow at 60#, then I'd suggest trying to buy or trade for a pair of 60# limbs.

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Thanks for the info fellas. I did not know that this bow was at 60lbs untill I scaled it this weekend. I was used to the Draw cycle of the single cam Tomkat and it was set at approx 68lbs. I just kept lowering this one untill I could draw with out raising my arms above my chest line. If it is shooting 287 and is not at its peak, I am very happy as that is smoking for 60lbs.

I also hunt turkeys with it as well so the 70.8 is just to much for me to shoot comfortable.

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IMO, keep the 70 pound limbs and shoot it where you want to. You're not going to gain much with the 60 pound limbs as far as efficency and those turkeys will not know the difference either:D



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The Tribute I shot, a 60 lb bow, shot a 381 grain ACC at 281 with a 28" draw. I was impressed with it but the Allegiance is faster and the Tribute is too short for my liking.

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Rob/PA- the bow you shot is the one I'm looking for[8D].
60#, 29"draw, 400gr arrow going 270fps- that's the one I'm after.

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How about my Tribute at 60/29 and 264 fps with a 430 grain Axis 340;) 66+ foot pounds of K.E. with a 7 1/2 inch brace and smooth mods[8D]



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WAGGS- Smooth mods! Yikes I didn't know the smooth mods could pull that off- yes, that would work very well ;). Are you running the stock string to achieve that?

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That's the way it came out of the box. I'm shooting mine with just a kisser button and tied in nock set and string loop. I haven't adjusted the string or cables,, just shoot it as factory set[8D] The fast mods did 274 fps with the same arrow, the BC said 305 fps with the smooth mods at 60/29/300 grains. The Binary cams seem to throw a heavier arrow better than the single cams in my experience.



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Yummy yummy. Although they carry the same IBO rating, the Tribute's speed is acquired using the 452x (was it 24 strand?) while my Pat's speed was obtained using the olderTS-1 material. When I switched to 452x I lost an easy 7fps, of course there is more involved than just the string material (old string stretched, cam timing etc.)

Looks like the Tribute will give me what I'm after.

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For comparisons sake, my 06 Allegiance 60/29 with peep and a loop is shooting 400g GT7595 at 271 with the smooth mods when shot through a new whisker biscuit. This was a little slower than I had expected given the 317 birth cirtificate--I suspect that new biscuit is robbing me of several fps. I know I could drop some arrow weight and pick up speed, but for hunting, this speed/weight combination has proven pretty effective. Besides, it's convenitent to shoot one arrow out of my 3 bows. I shot a smooth mod tribute repeatedly before choosing the smooth mod allegiance--it wasa toss up between the two for me. It would be interesting to compare a fast mod tribute with a smooth mod allegiance. I'll bet it'ssixes. The smooth mod is pleasant to shoot and the velocity is not bad considering I'm shooting 100g over IBO. Interestingly, the 271fpsis the same velocity I was getting out a 70/29 Patriot SC (with a full string and plus a peep/tube) shooting the same arrows. My 05 Alegiance 70/29 with peep, loop and extra nock is shooting the same arrows at 294 fps. It's sure not as pleasant to draw. Given the speeds of these new bows, that 05 allegiance may well be my last 70lb bow. It's hard to imagine speeds continuing to climb a whole more with reasonable brace heights. We'll see!

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Elkaddict, very interesting that you and WAGGS are getting the nearly same speed with two different model bows and an BC differential of 12 fps. I wonder if it's the diference in chronies + the WB?

My new bowhunting magazineshows NAP's new improved capture rest and I may consider giving it a go over my WB, if my TT or drop zone don't pan out. The new NAP looks like it would work very well, no fletching contact and full containment with bristles holding the top sides of the arrow.

My NEW BOWTECH dealer (finally:)) has a 60#tribute (he said it shows 59. something on the BC) shooting a 350 grain arrow 275 through a WB at 28". I may go by today and shoot it some.

But if I buy I will probably order or wait until a 60 # tribute comes in that actually pulls somewhat over 60#. Heck at least 60[8D].

He also has two Tomcats in, both 70#ers and feels he may have made a mistake of ordering more allegiances than anything else.

Anyhow- I'm not sure his 28" 60# tribute will pull off my 400gr, 270fps, 29" draw goal. He has no mods in at this time- but I can wait- my Pat is still shooting good.

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I chrono'd my Tribute with both mods today and here are my results:


I have a kisser, loop, and TruFletcher Magnum peep and string leeches on the string.Bow is maxed out.

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61.8#/12.8# at 29” AMO (digital scale)

Gr's / FPS-Smooth / Fast Mods

300 – 302 / 310
334 – 289 / 297
375 – 275 / 281
402 – 267 / 273
422 – 261 / 268
498 – 243 / 250
607 – 222 / 227

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Thanks for taking the time to post your results.
I like the following-
375 – 275 / 281
402 – 267 / 273

Add in the fact that I shoot with a loop only (no-peep & sts) and things could even get better :D.

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See, I was right about the speed;) With a 430 grain AXIS and 60/29/smooth mod, mine did 264 fps with only one of the stock eliminator buttons used as a kisser and a string loop.

VERY close,, many, many states apart anddifferent chronos! says a lot about today's quality archery products and tools:)

Tributes ROCK:D
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