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I just got mt Trykon today Im having a problem with fletching clearence. I shoot Bohning blazers strait fletch and they are hitting my rest koch up or down. I heard of people speeding the drop on them. I was curious how to do this. I know this has been posted before but I didnt have the problem then. Any helpwould be appreciated.

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It's most likely a rigging problem, but to know for sure I need more info. What is your Bow draw weight, arrow weight, draw length, chrono speed if possible? Where do you currently have the launcher arm cable tied into? Is it tied into the top of grip, middle of grip, bottom of grip or slide? Advancing the spring tension should be your last resort. Since it's the weekend, I may not be able to get right back to you...I'll be out shooting my QAD rest trying to keep it from getting fletching contact. HA! Just kidding. :D

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hey mildot, i've got a buddy up in Co, and he says sometimes it shoots perfect and sometimes it gets stuck in the up position. he's shooting an allegiance at 28" and 71#. i didn't know what to tell him. is it a fine line to have it set just right? my gut reaction was he just needed a little micro-adjustment and it should be great.

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Im shooting 70#. My draw is 31". MY arrow weight Im guessing is about 375 grains. carbon express cx400 aprox 10grain " ,100gr tips, wrap,bohning blazers 2",and insert.29" arrow including nock. As far as the crono dont know yet. IfI get a chance to shoot laterIll crono it.My cable is tied mid grip.

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Just out of curiousity do you have some sort of fleeceskin on the shelf, or does the rest even hit the shelp upon release? Reason I ask is on my Martin my QAD was mounted so when it was in the down position the rest could not hit my shelf, it sat slightly behind. On my Bowtech it sits right over the shelf on the down position, but because its even with the berger button holes in the launch position, it can't and doesn't hit my shelf for any kind of bounce. Honestly, I have shot the heck out of mine and have NEVER had any problems.

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I have never seen mine get stuck in the up position; however I have seen it where it was not dropping fast enough with my lighter arrows and the fletching was driving the launcher arm down. The only way I could see it getting stuck in the up position was if the oil plug on the left housing of rest where it says do not oil came loose and fell inside rest housing and is intermittently causeing binding from the internal parts. QAD has had a batch where the oil plugs did not have tight enough tolerances and the oil plugs were falling out and going inside housing.

If his oil plug is still in place then yes you are correct, he just needs to keep fine tunning it. I use lip-stick on launcher arm to see if I'm getting minor fletchingcontact. Also make sure he has the launcher arm string to the base of grip to help minimize the load it puts on down buss cable. If launcher arm cable is straight out to cable above grip, it causes issues with the timming because in that position it has more leverage and pullsharder on down buss cable toward riser. In short have him rig it to where the launcher arm is going from 80 degrees to 90 degrees in the last 1 inch of draw length. If that isn't working, it is all trial and error from therebased off of his arrow speed. He needs to make small adjustments either tigher or looser to get the timming right. Once he finds the "sweet spot" he can't change a thing on his bow that effects cable movement or the rest will have to be rigged again.

I know this sounds complicated, but once you get it right the restworks great. If you have good quality strings the thing will stay in time and give you no fletching contact.

Let me know about his oil plug in left lower side of housing...if the oil plug holeis empty and dark, then that meansthe plugfeel inside housing.

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your description of the fletchings driving the arm down is how he described the issue. i'll point him to this thread. i've been trying to get him to join over here anyway and this might do it. he's an obsessive and compulsive paper tuner, and could talk for days about each paper tear. lets see if he bites on that one.

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WOW! 375 grains with your 70# bow and 31 inch draw length is just asking for it if the bow is maxed out at 70#.I was at 400 grain arrows and had to getthe spring tension internally advanced. My only hope withyour situationis that your arrow weight is heavier than375 grains. Either way you need to attach launcher arm cable to the lower side of your grip on down buss cable. Should be about 5-6 inches below rest/bow shelf. Try that first and read the post above this one for further rigging details. If you already cut the launcher arm cable you are going to need to get some more of that material at the local archery shop...I don't recal what it iscalled, (I'm sure gibblet will know name, size, diamter, etc).

Keep adjusting the launcher arm cable in very small increments and then test. There will be a spot where everything just comes together. Just like I said before, make sure your center shot and nock height is all dead on and then adjust your launcher arm cable tension. With your set-up you don't want to have launcher arm at anything less than 90 degrees at full draw. Draw your bow and have somebody else push launcher arm toward you, if it moves you are too loose and tension and the rest will not fall fast enough. On the other hand make sure your rest launcher arm is not going to 90 degrees and your still pulling string back another 1.5-2 inches. That will be too much tension on launcher arm cable which then will pull your down buss cable toward riser and cause all kinds of issues.

Let us all know what happens...we can all keep learning by each others experiences.

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Gibblet,

That is exactly what mine was doing. To make matters worse it was an intermittent problem and only happed every 5th shot and would cause flyers. I found that Ididn't have enough tension on launcher arm cable and since I was right on the edge to having enough tensionthe problem was intermittent. All I did was lower launcher arm cable on my bows down buss cable 1/32 of an inch to add a little more tensionand the problem was fixed. He also needs to keep in mind that he can get the same results if he has too much tension and at full draw he is pulling bow down buss cable toward riser...that is not good. I think everybody can get this rest to work, it just takes time.

If he wants to get real picky he can spray his arrow shaft and shot arrows into harder than normal target and see where the launcher arm stopssupporting the arrow shaft. I was told 8-10 inches is perfect for best accuracy. You want the arrow supported while the center of gravity is still forward or balanced. If you tune any rest to where your not getting fletching contact, but you are supporting arrow shaft right up1-2 inches before fletching that will negativly effect accuracy. Just what I have been toldby Rick McKinney from Carbon Tech.

Someday we need to make a long post that has all these rigging tips on it so it would be a one stop wonder for all of us. I have notes scattered everywhere. :eek:

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MDM:

From what you've described here and on other posts, there are way too many 'what if', 'equipment particular', and 'harder than normally necessary'adjustments that have to be made to use this rest across the board.

A manufacturer has to make a product that is either readily usable by the marketplace or can be adapted to unique applications via minor adjustments or offer alternative design offerings. A 'one size fits all' approach will only sell if the 'adjustments' are easy and documented for the 'average Joe'.

The manufacturer can't expect the customer to 'figure it out' or call for a very indepth technical explanation every time there is a problem. Just like the Air-Rest, this rest does not appear tohave a wide enough tolerance for the marketplace.

You keep trying to promote its assets (which have merit), but the liabilities need to be addressed by the manufacturer moreso than what they've already done. JMPO;)

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mike carter advised him to get this rest, but mike may not have remembered that not everyone knows how to set up a bow like he does.

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What you say is true to an extent, but it really isn’t that hard to adjust this thing. I’m long winded because I want to cover all the bases. It’s well worth the time if you truly need all the features this rest has to offer. The launcher arm cable is either too tight, just right, or too loose. Anybody with common since can adjust this thing. All you do is slide it down to make it tighter or slide it up to make the cable looser. Anybody who is smart enough to tune their bow; which is the biggest contributing factor to this rest going out of tune, would be smart enough to know how to readjust launcher arm cable tension. Sorry if I’m making it sound difficult. Maybe this last post will simplify things.

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mildot: I was mistaken in my math now that I look back I think the correct arrow weight is closer to 475. Sorry about that. thanks for pointing that out. Ill try what you sugested and let you know. thanks for the help

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I am not trying to be smart and this is not addressed to anyone in particular..........but why in the world do archers with dropaways adjust their cord tension in this manner? I am talking about adjusting the cord up or down on the down buss cable? Around here all the shops and most archers have the cord sticking out tied in a knot ON the rest, in that manner its an easy adjustment. All you have to do is untie the knot and either lengthen or shorten the cord, then retie the knot. It stays secure and no risk is run of the cord slipping changing the timing. At least that is how all the QAD users around here do it.

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Cougar,

That's a great point and some people even tie the QAD launcher arm cable right into the hole in cable slide. There are several ways and all work. I prefer sliding it down the down buss cable because for one I'm using the plastic adapter, many don't;and two I can make very minor adjustments by sliding it down the cable. I found it hard to make a minor adjustment by using the "knot" method, but sounds like that works great for you. There is a guy at heartland archery and he ties all his QAD rests into the hole in cable slide. He says he sells the QAD to almost every customer he has. Due to his success in rigging I have even been thinking of rigging mine to the hole in cable slide. He says it puts less or no stress on down buss cable, which gives him less chances of reworking customer rests after date of purchase.

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Mildot if you have the opportunity, could you post a pic of a cord tied into or through a cable slide? I'd be interested in doing that if I could figure out a way of not drilling a hole into my slide. Using the Bowtech cable slide I can't see any way of putting a cord through it.

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I don’t have a picture because I have not tried it yet. The last time I talked to QAD Tech Service they told me one of their dealers does nothing but tie the rest into this location and has great results. I called and talked to that dealer for about 15 minutes on the phone and he gave me all the details. I think he wonders why everyone else isn’t doing what he is. HA! :)I was thinking of trying it when I get my pivots changed out this week. My QAD is dialed in so good right now, I don’t want to touch it. Looks like the 2006 BowTech slide hole is big enough to get the launcher arm cable to fit through, then tie your knot on the back side. If need be, you can always drill the hole out to the next larger size. Go ahead…you try it first, I dare ya.:D

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coug, if you get a sims the hole is on the opposite side of the slide giving your more vane clearance. i've got my trophy taker done that way, but i have recently heard if i saw slow motion video of what it does to the rod i would change it.

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Some guys have been able to get good clearance with the qad, but I am not one of them....neither is a good friend of mine that knows more than most people forget about tuning. I am a decent tuner, but not as good as him. My problem started with the rest on a pro 40 dually. No matter what I did, I could not get clearance, every time. Called QAD and spoke to charles at length. THis was the summer of 04. He said that I needed to send it back for a stronger spring. Great customer service. Changed the spring and still had contact issues, though not as much. I went back to the trophy taker that I used to shoot and have no problems. My buddy went to a rip cord and has had no problems. I accept that people can get this rest to work, but I also think that there are some people that have more contact than they think. SO, I have a strong spring QAD sitting in the garage....

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[quote]ORIGINAL: MizzoukiSpot

neither is a good friend of mine that knows more than most people forget about tuning.

Ok, so that did not make sense....meant "forgot more than most people know"

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mildot tried everything you sugested without success. I moved the cable up and down. The cable is a little lower then my gripand set it so its comming to 90 degrees right at full draw. seems there is an awfull lot af slack hanging. i know ihave a long draw length (31")and i think thats why there is so much string needed but it kinda bothers me. do i have to send the rest back to get a faster spring? thanks for the help so far.

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If you went to 90 degrees at full draw and then even tried a little more tension on launcher arm cable and you still get fletching contact, then yes it sounds like you need a modified rest. I had to send mine off and get it adjusted, but that was with 400 grain arrows with 70# and 31 inch draw length. I think a 1 hole advance would be plenty since your arrows are 475 grains. Sorry you couldn't get things to work. If you purchased the rest recently, ask them to ship a new one out to you already advanced 1 hole and when you get their modified rest, then ship your original restback to them. They did it for me, that way your not out of commission for 10-12 days. Plenty of time before season opens.

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ok, i know what rest i'm not getting.

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Gee thanks Gibblet...way to twist the knife after it has already been stuck in. :DBy the way...the wall thickness of that 2nd knife was thicker than the first knife, therefore it was stronger.:D

I have a feeling there are at least 5 people on this board that want to here me say..." The QAD REST SUCKS"!!!

Ok are you guys happy now? [:@]

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oops. last i heard from my buddy in Co he got his figured out before he got my email, and like i said, mike carter advised him to get it - who i trust a lot. if i've got a question about my machine or a string i call mike first. if mike says its the way to go on binaries - there has to be something there to it. i'm actually getting a fixed position for my 3-d bow, the gkf infinity with tuning gauge - comes with 4 launchers - i'll be using the lizard tongue. on my hunting rig i like my TT standard launcher, no contact, not too much moving,and i trust if i drop my bow it won't get damaged. i took off my dropzone, which i liked very much, in favor of it when i was leaving for a week of hunting camp only because i knew i wouldn't have to worry about it at all, and there are some parts on the DZ that look a little rinky - and i didn't want to take a chance. i'm not saying the thing is bad, or junk, or anything like that, i've just changed my mind about what kind of hunting rest i want. i'll bypass some performance options if necessary for something simple, predictable, and that can take a pounding, something that won't cross my mind for a week in the woods. and while it may have more options, and when set properly, may have better performance, it just doesn't sound like what i'm looking for in a hunting rest.

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I have a feeling there are at least 5 people on this board that want to here me say..." The QAD REST SUCKS"!!!

Ok are you guys happy now? [:@]

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Yes!

Actually, that's quite a bit harsh. It really needs a little more design effort to make it conducive to the broad requirements of the market.

There, does that make moresense to you? ;)

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If it needs more work then why do I love it so much?:D

Len,

What full containment drop away rest do you recommend for others who do not wish to purchase the QAD?

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Mildot,

I would be a little worried thatthe dropaway string would snag on things while moving through the woods. With the rip cord attached to the cable where it can be slid up or down, it seems far to easy for it to move while walking through brush and such. Are you able just to move it on the string with your fingers or do you have to loosen it up every time?? If so I don't think I would ever trust that for a hunting rig. It's also something you would not be able to notice too easy.....that is until you go to shoot it.[:@]

Edit: I forgot to add, do you ever worry about the rip cord clamp ever comming loose on it's own?

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BigJ12,

I do not have my clamp so loose that it slides. I use the small alen wrench to make very fine adjustments during target days. After having this rest advanced one hole with spring tension, I’m finding that I have a bigger “sweet spot” to work with. Once I get my correct pivots installed this week and tune cams for best accuracy and performance, I will be tying in the launcher arm cable to hole in cable slide. If I don’t like it there, I will put it back onto the down buss cable using clamp. Once I find the correct spot, I will have it served into position. Those I have talked to that use the plastic clamp in the field have not had any issues, but I don’t see any reason to use the clamp, once you figure out what position to place cable. I use it to make fine adjustments while sliding it up or down the cable during tuning days.

As far as the extra length getting caught up in the brush, I’m not too worried about that. The country I hunt in is steep and open. Most of it is at elevations of 7500 feet in the granite rock peaks above the pine trees. These dang bucks in our area hang out up there where nobody else cares to go. By the time they come down, the season is closed. We have to go up and root them out of their hiding places. We don’t even get the chance to hunt them in the rut, even when rifle season is open they are still not in the rut. California sucks man. :DCable getting snagged isn’t my main concern; I was more concerned about having my arrow fall out of position while stalking a deer and climbing these rocks with bow in hand. That’s why I picked a full containment drop away rest, nothing else will do. Once this rest is rigged correctly it works great.

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I was referring to the snagging moving the rip cord. But you answerd that when you said you use an allen wrench. Have you ever used this rest hunting? What you describe (hunting method and terrain) sounds like a perfect match for a Whisker Biscuit rest.

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I concur. I hunted hard with my QAD and never had the first problem. But I was shooting 440 grain arrows at 64 lbs. too, so I wasn't shooting at speeds fast enough to perhaps give me problems. Actually the best feature about the QAD is the containment feature AND on a slow letdown the rest staying up in the ready. IF there are any issues and tweaking that need to be done and QAD does improve it....the QAD will be my choice of rest forever. Now don't ask me why I am getting ready to mount the Schaffer dropaway......just like the design and wanna try something different.[&:]

On my down cable I put 3/4" of serving right above the cord and their is no way the cord can pull through. If I want to adjust the cord all I have to do is untie and retie the knot in my cord on the other end of the rest. Its quick and easy.

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Cougar,

I'm glad the rest works for you. It may also work for Mildot as well. But the big difference is both you and I have been bow hunting for years and I don't think Mildot has hunted with hissetupyet. Iremember him posting inlateNovember that he just picked up the sport. So I think he should try different types of rests, sightsetc...to find out what works forhim in his hunting situations. It may turn out that the QAD will work great for him. It sure looks like a well built rest, but I remember trying many different setups before I figured out what worked best for me and my hunting style.

For the most part I know what I like and I pretty much stick to it, but I am always looking for something different. I just was trying to let him know he doesn't have to be "married" to a certain type of component. Then again some things can only be learned over time, he needs to get out and see for himself.

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Yep first year with this...should be fine as long as I serve it in. This rest isn't built cheap, so I'm not worried how it will hold up. Well unless the unexpected happenes to prove me wrong.:D

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Good luck and I hope it works well for you, like I said it looks like a well built rest.After a few seasons under your belt you will figure out what works, what doesn't, what is WAY over rated and what is most important. Me, I like to keep it as simple as possible....works for me, but that's just my experience.

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I guess I get all amped up about my gear because I spent weeks researching evey piece that went on my bow. I don't think I could have put any more thought into everything that I decided on. I'm a researching fool. I didn't just pick one and call it the best in my opinion. I gathered numerous information and made a decision based off of all the info I had. When it came down to a rest; I read in several places about the accuracy gains with using a drop away, so that's why I picked this category or rest. I have a high attention to detail, so tinkering with stuff doesn't bother me, I actually like it.I can see where other hunters would be lost trying to tune this thing or be worried about it staying in tune in the field under harsh conditions. Your rest is a great rest and is still the top seller, but I was concerned with how it would effect longer range accuracy. That's why it's good we have so many choices to match our personalities.

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that's good, but reading isn't going to do it. you need hands on experience with a lot of different rests to know what works best for you. i frikking hate when guys who have been reading up on string materials call me up to have a conversation with me about them and try to tell me something.

just yesterday this fool called me up and explained that after all his reading he'd figured out a little known industry secret - that D-75, the stuff that comes on hoyts (not fuse strings), is actually a good bit better than 8125, and it only costs a lot less because demand is creating the price difference. i told him he was an idiot - but he didn't listen.

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Gibblet,

I don’t think you know me too well. First off, I don't have the time or money to test all the rests on the market and many don't unless they work in the field. Second, if I were to blindly follow any advice or written opinions, I would be shooting a Tribute with Easton Arrows. Last year it was the Allegiance. It’s not what people recommend that I watch; it’s what their reasons are for recommending a certain product. You always have to read between the lines to find what gear would work best for your purposes. On the other hand, I don’t believe that there are several products out there in each category that are the best. I believe that there is only one or two and it’s our challenge if we desire to find them. Written opinions from reputable sources, facts, personal experiences and an eye for a quality product all mixed together make for a good decision. If you only factor in one of these to make a decision, such as personal experience, then you may be missing allot of things that may benefit your circumstances. Remember your experience with Carbon Tech Arrows? If you only went off of your personal experience, then you may have just past up a gem in the rough. Personal experience alone may make a person feel like they made the best decision, but in reality it’s not always the case. I have seen many businesses fail due to always relying on their own capabilities or limited knowledge or even by operating their business with the mentality of….”well, we have always done things this way, so why change”. My point is that it takes several resources to make a good decision and for my purposes and terrain I hunt in, I still believe I picked the right rest. My personal experience in the accuracy this rest has contributed too is just another bonus to my decision. Do I think this rest is the best for all? NO! Do I think this rest is the best for me? YES!

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Thats why we try things, to see what works best for us as individuals. I can honestly say the QAD is built rugged and through all the dragging my bow through the brush, no problems. Am I saying the QAD is the best dropaway rest on the market? NO!!! I don't have enough experience with other dropaways and I don't have enough resources to try everything, but gonna give the Schaffer a try. Remember this is coming from a guy who probably has shot his best and felt very confident using a TM Hunter for many years.....lol.

I do think the biggest improvement QAD could make is enabling the user to change the internal spring tension without having to take the rest apart.

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Well I e-mailedQADsat.and I tried calling them today still no response if this is how they handlecustomers that are having problems with their product Im not impressed. I have a couple guys that seen my rest and r intrested but not into the fact Im having problems getting it tuned correctly or getting responses from the company. Not a good way to broaden your customer base in my opion.

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Cougar Mag:

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I do think the biggest improvement QAD could make is enabling the user to change the internal spring tension without having to take the rest apart.

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I couldn't agree with you more.;)

MDM:

You asked if I would recommend a rest. I don't do that for anyone. In my shop we keep a large variety of all aspects of archery goods. We will answer any customer's questions and will usually onlyoffer comments when we feel the product doesn't meet the customer's requirements/needs.

Whether it be rests, arrows, stabilizers, releases, quivers or bows; we stock many so that the customers have many choices. We also offer individual testing of most equipment before a purchase is made. This way the customer doesn't have to second-guess themselves after they leave the shop.