I am pissed.... I have shot for years and have never had problems like I am having now with my 05 Allegiance. I like the idea of the binary cams and I like the speed of this bow, but I can not get it to tune as well as it should.

My goal is to have field points and broadheads hit the same spot.. . . and bareshafts also in a perfect world. I have had no problems doing this in the past with any one of my bows. I am also the guy that my friends come to to help tune their bows, and once again, no problems.

I have shot numerous arrows with all different spines and tip weights and just cant get it. I thought I was there today when I got 5 arrows ( gold tip pro 7595s / 125 grn tip )to ALL group in the ten spot at 25 yrds, 3 times in a row, but then I shot some broadheads.

The broadheads were diving down and to the right. I proceeded to paper tune to try to fix the problem, but I cant get away from the frickin downward tear ( field tip down ) Tried adjusting the nock height and its not that. No visable flecting interference with the Mach 4 / Trap Door.

Adjustment after adjustment, still same shi-. That may suggest too weak of a spine right? Well, I used lighter tips all the way down to a 75 grn and same story. I hate to think that I have to shoot Gold Tip 100+ arrows with an 80# Allegiance, but could that be the answer???? I really think that something is jazzed up with this bow.

Has anyone ever had a problem like this??
My 05 Black Knight did what I wanted it to do within 15 minutes. Today I spent 6 hours at the range with the allegiance and its gettin to me.

What else can a man do???

measure yourcenter shotfrom the riser and let us know

1 inch and it varies when i was tuning. what does that have to do with a downward tear?

I bought the first Allegiance my local shop got in and set it up and have not had one problem w/ it....I'm curious about whats going on with yours...Keep us informed

I'm also shooting an 05 Allegiance and don't have any complaints here. Simply the best shooting bow I've had in years. I liked it so much in fact that I just got a steal on a new Old Glory on ebay to use as a target bow.

To what extent are you guys tuning your bow. for example where are your field points hitting in relation to youbroadheads? how is it bareshafting?

My allegiance was a great shooting bow, until I changed the strings and cables. UGH. My bow used to shoot broaheads and fieldtips to the same point. Put brand new Winners Choice, set and things are not as good as they used to be. I must take some blame. I probably took a full twist out of the top of the string and a a twist and a half out of the bottom to get the peep to rotate. THe bow shot like ****, when it came to shooting broadheads after the new string. I put the twists back in and it still shoots like ****. I have owned 4 bowtechs. One 03 patriot dually, one 03 pro 40 dually. One 05 allegiance and an 05 allegiance frame with 05 bk dually cams. I can say tbis, with pure certainty.....all bows shot great until creep occurred. Then they do not perform as well unless you stay on top of them. I am about done with it. And I do know how to tune the duallys...they are easier, as you stated, to keep in tuned. I am SERIOUSLY thinking about going back to hoyt.

zouk you ought to let me hook you up.

Ole brother Gibblet, I think I need help! What do you suggest?

some better strings.

i know some people have got things fixed up by getting a sims slide and hooking the cord to that (the cord goes to the opposite side of the cable guard so no contact) and it gets all the tension off the cable. even a little tension on that down cable throws those bows out of whack for some folks.