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So I made the change last week and put a WB on my bow. So far I am not overly excited about it. Granted it is convenient to have the arrow not bouncing around. But, what good is that if the fletching on your arrows have waves in them from shooting through the thing? My fletches are getting TORN UP!! Accuracy leaves something to be desired as well. I had remarkably tighter groups with my simple 2 prong rest. I like the idea of being able to manuever easier to draw on the deer, but I'm not confident to even take it in the woods.

Anyone have any light to shed on why my vanes are getting destroyed or why it seems to shoot a little wild?

Maybe I should've gone with something like a Muzzy Zero Effect drop away?

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It will require tuning to get good groups. The hole in the biscuit may be too small. You can easily enlarge it if it is. You can even trim the back of the biscuit.The arrow should fit loosely in it. Wavy vanes won't hurt anything, but you can change to a more durable vane if you don't like it. I've never had a vane get torn through the WB, but I do know how to properly fletch one. I've shot many tens of thousands of shots through to WB since it first came out. I've used it on several bows and have never had anything but the best success with it. As a hunting rest, it is unequaled in my opinion. If you're a target shooter, you can get along with any type of rest.

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you need to get it tuned. It will shoot just as well as any other rest once tuned. Jimmy Despart (national pro indoor shooter for Martin) walked into a local shop and laid down a 450 - 42x vegas score with a bow equipped w/ a whisker biscuit, they are no less accurate than any other rest out there.

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NY- I tried the biscuit on my Switchback for all of 3 days. I then switched to a fall away style rest(Ultra-RestPro Series for $100)andI couldn't be any happier. I wanted a rest that was quiet andsecured the arrow inthe eventI layed the bow downor did a spot and stalk. Obviously, these are features you get with the biscuit, but I didn't like the sound of the vanes ripping through the biscuit or having to straighten out the vanes, which can be done with a blow dryer. With the ultra-rest there is zero contact with the arrow after being release,super quiet, very consistent,and a retainer bar to secure the arrow...what else could you ask for. IMO, this is one of the better rests on the market.

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i experienced not so tight groups compared to my old 2 prong set up also . it was a tuning issue. i still cant get the biscuit to group as tight past 30 yards. as far as being a hunting rest with no moving parts its hard to beat. i loved and shot the muzzy zero- but it looks way to c0mplicated. im experimanting with the nap quicktune 360 after the season is over but i had initial problems with that too. it keeps me busy anyway:D

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Trim the backside of the whiskers, enlarge the hole if needed, buy better quality vanes and be sure to put a drop of glue over the leading end of each vane to keep them from snagging in the whiskers.

Or, what I'd do, go with what you know works and put the prong rest back on the bow.

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I use a WB and had the same problem with wrinkling vanes. I bought some Bohning Blazers and problem solved. Shoots tight and no sound.

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If you want to shoot the WB with good results you will need to use shorter stiffer fletch, like blazers or standard bohing vanes, tune your bow properly and be aware of the tuning problems that can come up. I have a full review and tips on my website for those interested. It's a good rest for hunting, but you can not just bolt it on and expect good results. Infact It acutally takes a bit more work to get it going well, but once you do your set.

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I shoot a WB on two bows. Accuracy is no problem at all. I switched to feathers yeas ago and they work the best through a bisquit. People tend to think you dont have to fine tune a WB. Go to the Carolina Archery site for more information on setting up and tuning the WB rest.

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Don't get me wrong, the WB is revolutionary and it is a great hunting rest. I've used it a lot,but I find it not as accurate as a prong or drop away as well. However it can be tuned to where it is very close to as accurate and most guys find the advantage of the full containment a benefit that out weighs this slight variance in accuracy. The WB has to be tuned in a slightly different manner than other rests.You'll get your bestaccuracy out of it if you follow the tips listed on the CAP sight: http://www.carolinaarcheryprod.com/tuningtips.html

That being said, I am using a GWS drop away this year on one bow, and have a Savage Jewell grasshopper prong on the other. I keep my WB just in case I want to go back to it (which has happened). But right now I really like this cheapie GWS dropper.

As far as vanes go, the Blazers proved excellent through my WB, but just before I took it off I tried the Vane Tech V-Maxes and found I prefered them for various reasons. They, too, were excellent through the WB.

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Sounds like you have received quite a few excellent suggestions. Tuning it more is definitely recommended. I have often heard that if it is properly tuned then you should have minimal fletching damage especially after it is broken in.

Stay away from softer fletches.....and trim the biscuit a bit to get less wear.

You can also heat your vanes to get them back into shape...blow dryer, etc...

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haven been in archey some 30+ years i have sene a lot of stuff come an go the WB is one of the LOL things .ya it looks good but there are a lot of better thing to use than that one

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PERSONALLY, I think the whisker biscuit is the biggest hunk of crap rest on the market, if I were you i'd switch to a drop away, preferably the trophy ridge dropzone. It's the only way to go. I worked at Gander Mt. in the pro shop, and can't tell you how many of those i replaced with a dropaway....think about it.......you'll benefit later on.

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Yeah , just about everyone says that when they first look at one. :D
Quite a few try it out anyway and change their tune quickly.;)I'm sure CAP is LOL all the way to the bank.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the WB if you get the good one (Droptine or Deluxe), you know how to tune a bow , and you match the right fletchings and correct spine arrowwith your setup. It is indeed a great rest for close range hunting in the hands of an average archer. However ,if you have a tendency to torque your bow then you will notice a difference in accuracy , especially at longer yardages.

When it comes to threading a needle at 30 yards and beyond , nothing beats a MZE! Try one and see what the hype is about.;)
Oh yeah , you don't have to worry about the arrow falling off the rest with the MZE either.

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I have never had any problems with my WB. I wont buy another rest. ;)

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The reason accuracy can go south is mostly a form issue, and most people don't know it. With any kind of prong or drop-away rest the arrow, when shot, can float where it is tuned to shoot without interference. Shooting through any type of full containment rest there is contact with the rest till the arrow clears the bow. In this case it is more important to have a good follow through. Any movement you make with the bow is more apparent. So just forget where the arrow is going. Aim the bow.

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The "LOL" factor really comes into play, every time I hear that reasoning for a rest. If someone isso big a klutz thathe can't keep the arrow onhis rest..... I mean really! Uncoordinated people should not be allowed to play with sharp sticks, and here we are making special arrow rests for them!??![8D]

Sorry... I've been holding that back for five years now and just had to let it out. Feel much better now.:);)

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Arthur, I use to think the same way, but then it happened to me. My arrow fell off the rest when I drew back on a buck. I had my bow at a bit of an odd angle and.... clank, the buck was gone. I guess I must be a klutz, but I personaly know lots of hunters who experienced exactly the same thing. Even more than that, I use to frequently have an arrow make a noise against the riser while sitting in my stand. The great thing about the WB is how it cradles your arrow in silence the whole time your on your stand. Sure, you can keep your arrow in a quiver and hope you can nock it without being seen - but sooner or later the animal is going to be spooked and if you hunt enough, probably many will. The WB has a huge advantage while your simply waiting for a deer to come by.

Proof of it's advantages come from the sheer numbers using it. I'll bet it's on more hunter's compound bows than any other rest - far more. This kind of following does not come from gimicks, poorly designed products or products that are junk. I don't mind anyone not using it - heck use whatever you want. But when someone calls it a hunk of crap (not you), I figure they know very little about tuning their setup, have never hunted, have never tried it or have an incentive to bash it (as in competitor).

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Yeah, Straightarrow, I knowthe arguments for and against the thing. I still think the 'arrow falling off' stuff is way overblown. I mean really... How many arrows have you had fall off your rest in the years you've been hunting? You only mention one. One isolated incident -falling under the heading of 'stuff happens' - andthen you absolutelyMUST have a full containment rest? C'mon!;)

Proof of it's advantages come from the sheer numbers using it??!!?? Pardon me whilst I break out the can of BS repellent for that'n.[8D]

I've seen how a lot of bows wound up with WB's on 'em. I hung aroundenough pro shops watching new shooters getting set up. They had the things shoved off on them like the shops were getting kickbacks from the company! Maybe they were, I don't know.

Never once did anyone ever say a word about accuracy, tuneability or versatility. No sir, not once. It was always 'No way your arrow is falling off THIS rest.' Advnatages? Plural?? Not hardly. It's got only that one, singleadvantage. That's theONLYselling point the thing has!

And new shooters don't know enough to question it when the 'expert' behind the counter starts spouting aburdities. That is how I think so many WB's wound up on bows. Definitely not due to advantages.

Somewhat slower arrow speeds, wrinkled vanes, has to be modified before you can even get it to work right, increased susceptability to torque, gotta have special anti-icing spray to keep it working in the cold and wet.... You gotta admit a WB has a lot more going against it than it's got going for it.

I can honestly and truthfully say I have never had an arrow fall off my rest while hunting. I can also honestly and truthfully say I have never once spooked an animal while loading an arrow on the bow. I've had 'em spook while drawing, but not while getting the bow ready to shoot.

Of course, I shoot a bit different style than most folks do nowadays, because I know all too well the DISadvantages of using metal risered clank bows, elevated rests for arrows to fall off of, sights to obscureyour vision of the animaland mechanical releases which prohibit you from having any control over the arrow, whatsoever.

Believe me, I can understand WHY someone with all those burdensmight think they need a full containment rest.;)

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For those of us who prefer a biscuit and perhaps have the form to shoot straight with them, they're excellent. They demand a solid hold and proper follow-through. For one who started bowhunting just as the original glue-on Flipper rest was introduced I remember the problems. The flipper might let go, fall out, or get torn off during a hunt leaving you in trouble unless you carried another in your pocket. That left me coveting a solid, no worries rest that holds the arrow for you. Also, coming from the north country where it does tend to get cold, a rest that holds the arrow in place can be a blessing! If it doesn't work for you or if you can't shoot with it no problem, get something that makes you happy.

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My brother has a bisquit, he couldn't get a tight group. took it to a pro shop and they said he had a hard time fine tuning it as well, to much contact with the fletching. As for the zerro efect I put one on my hoyt and it's better than I hoped for.

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I actually just switched back from a TR drop zone to the WB deluxe!! The WB has no moving parts, there's not been any one story about a WB "freezing" that I have read any where. Loss of speed, come on, if I loose a foot or even two fps, what does it really matter! I shot my antelope at 60 yards this fall, with a fixed broadhead (inner-loc) with blazer vanes. I guess I must not have a torqueing problem that apparently would be amplified with the WB! Could I have made the shot with the TR drop zone, probably! But I like the full containment when stalking, I was able to lay my bow on the ground as I inched forward, and I knew for a fact that the arrow would stay on my bow and would be ready as soon as I had a shot opportunity. That's one thing I would not have had with the Drop Zone!!
I have no plans of going back to the drop away rest, or any other rest. I'll stick with what works FOR ME!

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I've been shooting and going back and forth to my pro shop fine tuning my bow for the past week since I put the WB on. I've been bowhunting for many years now and have always been pretty consistent with my shooting. I think my form and shooting abilities should be more than adequate for a WB. If lack of form or torqueing the bow is the culprit and magnified more with the WB than I guess I'll never be able to shoot one because I've been shooting the same way for years with not much problem.

Arthur-
I agree that the biggest selling point is the arrow not falling off the rest. I also agree that maybe once in a blue moon the arrow will fall off a 2 prong rest and you just chalk that up as **** happens. You should manage to be able to keep the arrow on the rest while positioning to draw.
However, there is a big difference IMO between the arrow not falling off the rest and not having to worry at all about the arrow not falling off the rest. When you have to conciously take a moment or two to ensure the arrow will not fall of a rest, you're giving something up on the other side. If the arrow not falling off the rest is NO concern (WB) then 100% of your concentration is on your game and positioning for a shot. That is undeniably a great feature to have with a rest.
Is that attribute a big enough factor to offset giving up accuracy?? Not in my opinion. I'll be going back to my 2 prong and go back to my tight groups with my bad form and untuned bow.[:-];)

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I tested a B-2 Whisker Biscuit arrowrest on an older Hoyt Havoc bow using a Hooter-Shooter to hold the bow. At thirty-five yards the bow shot the exact same hole twelves times in a row.

If the rest sounds loud or you are getting wrinkled vanes the bow is out of tune and or you are shooting the incorrect spine arrows for the bow.

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>

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I agree with that, but...Someone who has practiced in the offseason, enough so that he knows his equipment thoroughly, knows it is set up properly and knows how it will perform, doesn't concern himself with arrow fall-off either. That's the guy who has found out, on the 3D course or practice range, his arrow has a tendency to fall off the rest on occasion and has made the necessary adjustments/changes to prevent it. Usually just widening the gap between the prongs a tiny bit,so the arrow shaft sits just a smidge further down in the rest, will eliminate the whole problem just as well asa full containment rest.

Now, if he snags the arrow on a twig and nocks the arrow off, that's just poor preparation on his part for not clearing his shooting area properly, if not outright clumsiness.

As far as I'm concerned, full containment rests are nothing more than bandaids for underlying problems. IMO, lack of practice, poor preparation and/or clumsiness are problems to be cured instead of disguised. The popularity of full containment rests is way out of proportion to their actual benefits. But then, the same can be said for single cam bows, short axle to axle bows, scentblock clothing, umpteen different designer camo patterns.... [:-];)

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Arthur
If you do not or have not used a WB how can you say how it is.


Every one else
The big deal here is how you hunt.Any one that stands in a tree stand.Has no need for a WB.I kill most all my deer/elk on the ground.I do not use a WB at the moment all though I did.I do use a rest that holds my arrow.Ican hold my bow upside down and shoot if need be.This it a trait that is needed by ground hunter.If anything happen to the rest I have now I would go back to the WB.My wife uses one and dose very well with it.

I place my arrow in the bow when I leave the truck and take it out when I get back.I hear a ton of crap over it but every time there is a shot when walking in or out I get it :} This means when the grouse is on the trail. I get to kill mine befor you get an arrow in.And when we jump the big bull after the cow I get to shoot when you get to just watch him walk bywile you are puting an arrow in.Try to tell me you have never walked up on a nice buck and wished you had an arrow in the bow allready.I get to take thouse shots.This is one reason I get to kill elk/deer every year.

I hope the WB will stay around for years.

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ELKINMTCWB, I've never stuck my foot in a pool of lava either, and I know how that is. At the club's range, I can look at a person's quiver and tell whether they're shooting a wB or not. I've seen all kinds of problems with them. Also,as a lifelong dedicated ground hunter, I've never ever been in a situation where I felt the need to hold my bow upside down to shoot it, either.I've had to cant the bow over level with the ground a few times, but upside down?? :D

Frankly, you need to hear a lot of crap over loading an arrow on your bow at the truck and leaving it while walking around. That's extremely dangerous to yourself and anyone else you're around. Maybe if you hear enough of it, it'll finally sink in. Hopefullybefore you wind up sprawled on the ground with an arrow in your guts.

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Arthur
You have got to be kidding me.You make it sound like you never make a mistake with the old stick and string.I would bet my life aginst you on that one.I am very sure you have made misstakes many many more times than you care to addmit.
I know I have shoot many many deer.5 of them over 170 bc.At only 35 I do not think that all bad.I have allso killed some real nice elk. Only 1 over 330 though. I can tell you many times I have made many misstakes.Just as many with the stick and sring as my old mity compound. I shoot a mathews 100 # bow .}

Any rest with moving parts is just waiting for something to happen to it.My bud used one of the dropaway rest for 1 hunting trip.Boy it shot good at the range.

And for your fall off thing :} How many once in a life time shots do you get. I sure hope any of those moving parts dont mess up.

Charles Bradford

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Arthur
Packing a loaded gun around all the time is dangerous allso.But if you know how to use the gun it is a difrant story.Gess I just know how to use my bow.been doing for many years never have stuck my self or any thing I did not want to.

I do however know 3 dif guys that have hade there arrows fall off there rest[or shelf] and got real nice damage from it.One of them shot for hoyt for 3 years than an arrow fell off his rest.Gess what he will never soot for hoyt agin.Now he is in no way good enough.He got allmost 200 stiches.By the way still today he tells me.[It was the 1st time the arrow EVER fell off.But I see how your arrow staying put would never be good.

You can only lean a stick bow one direction.I am sure you know this.I am allso sure you have never would have liked to lean it any difrant.

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You're right, it's not proof, but it is evidence that many hunters like it. No matter what anyone talks you into, you can always take it off. I spend more than my share of time around the local bow shops, and I can say without doubt that far more experienced hunters have switched to the WB, than there are new hunters using it as their first rest. I see almost all of them making very favorable comments on them (there are a few exceptions, but what product doesn't have it's detractors).

As for the one advantage? I spend about 1/1000% of my hunting time, drawing back on an animal. Yes, this is a very important moment, and I like a rest that assures that the arrow won't fall off. It's not absolutely neccessary, but I prefer it. Why not use something that does what I prefer?

99.999% of my hunting time, I'm sitting, walking, standing or whatever and quite a bit of that time I have an arrow nocked. I prefer not having to hold the arrow on the rest or against the riser with my finger or having the arrow bump a branch and make noise. With the WB I have total silence and control of the arrow at all times. That's a very good thing in my book. When it actually comes time to shoot at an animal, I don't have to worry about it's accuracy (it's tuned to shoot as accurately as any other rest). I don't have to worry about wrinkled vanes, noise, frozen biscuits or any of the other so-called problems it has. I've used it in freezing rain, where everything was coated with a 1/4" of ice, yet the biscuit was still unfrozen (I didn't spray it with anything). If there was a wrinkle in a vane and it bothered me, I'd fix it before I went hunting (I use feathers when hunting, so it's not an issue).

Now, what advantage is there to a prong rest or a "flipper" rest? More accurate - hardly! More reliable - not with all those moving parts! There must be some advantage. They may not wrinkle your vane, but the vane might easily hit the rest and deflect. I'd rather have the wrinkle (which by the way doesn't affect arrow flight).

Most of us WB users, simply like the rest. We prefer using it. Many of us think it's the best hunting rest on the market and when we see someone struggling with it, we know what the possible problems are and give them some suggestions. I have no desire to convert those who don't like it. On the other hand, the inference that it's total crap and those using it are simply putting a bandaid on a problem, is off base and I don't mind saying so.

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Guns have safety devices. Sharp broadheads don't. You need to amend that last comment to say you've never stuck yourself YET. I hope you never do, but... Well, I just hope you don't wind up being nominated as a Darwin Award candidate.

One doesn't spend nearly half a century huntingwithout makingmistakes. Of course I've made mistakes. Some real doozies at that. But walking around with an arrow on my string is not one of them. I'll put an arrow on my string for the last 5-10 yards of a stalk, but that's it.

Even with you having an arrow nocked, I guarantee you I can remove an arrow from my quiver, nock it and getan accurateshot off before you can even hook up your release, get the bow drawnand settle the sight on your target.You want to get off a quick shot? You're using the wrong equipment.

You don't cant your bow at all! Not with sights you don't. Canting a bow with sights to the2 o'clock or 10 o'clock positionwill make you miss by several feet at 20 yards. And there's not much way you're gonna shoot instinctive with that disc of fibers out there blocking your view. Let's keep at least a modest grip on reality here.[8D]

Sorry to hear about that. However, it's an excellent example of what can happen due tocutting your arrows so short that you're drawing the broadhead into the sight window at full draw. When they're that short, the broadhead can do a gotcha. Overdraws are even worse. If he'd been using arrows long enough to keep the broadhead in front of the riser, he'd have come off unscathed.

Then there is the non-control of using mechanical releases. With a fingers release, you've got the arrow's nock between your fingers, so you've got a way to keep the arrow under control. With a release, there is nothing. The arrow is left to it's own devices during the draw and release. Rather than using that as an excuse to use a WB, I think it's an excellent reason to toss the release and buy a tab.

A well practiced fingers shooter can shoot just as accurately in the woods as a release shooter, and execute the shot a good bit quicker. When you nock the arrow, your fingers are already on the string. No fumbling around with a dangling release trying to get it in position to hook it up. Saves at least 10 seconds right there. Again, if you want to get off a quick shot, a release is the wrong equipment.

I've also noticed that light arrows are much worse about falling off rests than moderately heavy ones. Someone who is overbowed and shakes like a bowl of Jello when they draw can make a lightarrow jump off a rest, but that's a reason to cut down the draw weight rather than use a WB. I've seen a strong gust of wind nock a carbon arrow off a rest, but that's a reason to use heavier arrows, not go buy a WB.

Straightarrow, I'm not saying the WB is complete crap and I don't mean to infer it. I said what I meant earlier when I said it's popularity is all out of proportion to it's benefits. I feel the same way about dropaway rests. At least the WB is simple and uncomplicated, something the dropaway restsdecidedly are NOT, as our friend above has already noted. I like simple and uncomplicated.

On the other hand, even though you say you haven't been plagued by the problems associated with the WB, I've seen a great many who are. I got to see one fella blow up his brand new bow when the bristles in that biskit clamped down on his vanes. It was a low brace bow, so low that his vanes were sticking halfway through the disc at brace. He pulled the nock right out of the end of his arrow when he drew and, as twenty people simultaneously hollered "LET DOWN", he released. Wasn't pretty.[:-]

We haven't even discussed wear yet, where the arrows wear that nice little round hole into an egg shape. Which means the bow's zero and tune are constantly changing as the rest wears.

ELKINMTCWB jumped my case for talking about the WB without having used one. I've seen enough of the things around our club's range and local 3D shoots at other clubs that I decided long ago that I likely wouldn't use one. Observation is a scientifically approved method of gathering data, ya know.;)

Side note... I was wondering how long it would take to get you WB boys fired up. Had to do a lot of baiting to get it done. [8D]

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I know you didn't, that was someone else.

I agree that it's very easy to have a problem with the WB. It is also very easy to correct every issue I've ever seen with one. The problems are not ones encountered while hunting. They are ones that happen from improper set-up, using the wrong arrows or fletching, or something else that can be corrected easily enough before you go into the woods with it. Once you have it set-up correctly, it's an extraordinarily simple, sturdy, reliable and enjoyable rest in the field. Anyone who doesn't have the ability to set it up properly before hunting with it, shouldn't use it.

And you're right - you couldn't pay me to use a dropaway rest while hunting. Maybe we can fire up those guys! ;)

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Arthur
I am sure you pack you gun around loaded,and you have never shot your self YET.But it is some thing that could happen.

I can allso tell you,I have hunted with the stick and string[still do a lot].There is no way I can get an arrow out knock it and draw as fast as I can shoot with my mathews.Nor has any one else that has hunted with me so far.There has ben a few guys 2 that have stuck friends tring to load there bow when they spoted a deer walking out/in.
You a real lucky or realy realy good to only have to have your arrow loaded for the last 5 to 10 yards.I normaly kill 5 to 10 deer a speed goat or 2 and elk with my bowmost every year.Very very seldom do I get to stock a stoped animal.They are most allways grasing or in root to somewhere.

And for leaning my mathews.I would bet on my leaning.Most guys never lean there bows.As a ground hunter you have to lean or pass shots.I do lean right and left.I have even layed on the ground and shot[ yes learned this when useing the stick and string].I killed a nice 5x5 elk.

Not all of us comound shooters pack a box of bandaids.
Charles Bradford

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very well said, Straightarrow. (your 1st post)

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My shotgun has a safety and I use it. Not to mention I practice good muzzle control. Accidents can happen though. At least I don't go out of my way to invite them. Carrying a nocked arrow on a bow is an invitation.

I guess I am. I learned how to stalk up close on prairie dogswhen I was a little kid. Stalking up on a deer is no big deal.

MaybeYOU can't. You need tosee what someone can do who actually practices speed shooting from time to time.I can start out with my arrows in the quiver, bow at my hip, shoot 6 arrowsand hit 6 different targets at 15 yards in under 30 seconds with a recurve or longbow.I know a few guys who are faster than I am, but they're about 20 years younger than me too.

You guys holding hands while you hunt or what? Sounds like you might oughta spread out some and put a little distance between yourselves.[8D]

As for that stuff about canting your compound and shooting accurately, you need to explain that'n. I'm not buying it until you say you don't use the sights and then I'd want to know a good bit about how you gage your elevation when you can't see the tip of the arrow. Maybe you just use The Force? Poke-n-hope?;)

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As you said I musts have good muzzle control with my bow allso.I do not see any difrance.Point your gun at some one they could die.Point your arrow at some one they could die.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Seems the same to me,DONT point your bow/gun at any thing you do not want to shoot.

Sorry arthur did not see you where from TX.Walking up on a feeder isnot to hard.I dont get to to that. The deer/elk up here feed on what grows there.Not what is planted or dumped out.

This may fall back to the TX thing.We do not get to hunt out of the truck.Here in MT I have to walk miles some times to get to where I would like to hunt.When I walk out/in I do walk close to friends so we can talk about hunting or any thing for that matter.Maby you dont have any friends to hunt with.

I gess you if have never shot your bow that way you will never know.I do shoot tilting my bow.I even have shot my bow laying on the ground.I would think as a stick bow shooter you would know how to judge placment.[gess not] If you get to Helena MT give me a yell.I will be glade to shot you 1sthand how to shoot.I am not a3d stooter to me it waist my money that I can use to hunt with.

At under 25 yards you should be ablel to shoot any wepion at all with no sights.I for what ever reasion can pick up any ones bow and shoot 6in plates.I have showed this to many people.I have done it with left hand bows short draw bows.6in is not target shooting by no meens,but it will kill any deer/elk out there.

Fill free to come to Mt and hunt with me.
Charles Bradford

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Just so you'llknow,they don't allow feeders, food plots, baitingor hunting fromvehicleson public land here, and that's about all the hunting I get to do. Can't afford the got-rocks price tags they put on private leases down here. My hunting is every bit as pure and holy as yours is.

If you can't see the difference between carrying a gun with the safety on and carrying an arrow on the bow with exposed, razor sharp blades on it, then there is no hope for you. And you very well might be up for a Darwin Award someday. There is always that slick patch of mud to slip on; rock hidden in the grass waiting to trip you up; a root just waiting to grab your ankle.... Just one tumble and you could easily wind up with that arrow sticking where you wish it wasn't. I wish you all the best.

Too bad you don't go to a 3D shoot every now and then to hang out with archers. You're turning your back on learning valuable things about shooting bows, different equipment and stuff, not to mention making connections that could open up new hunting opportunities. You might actually see a rest that'd work even better for you than your WB, if you got out and around some. It's far from a waste of money. But they won't let you walk around the course with an arrow nocked on your bow. That's a severe safety violation.

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wb has no moving parts!!!! that is why i got one

RE: Regret the Whisker Bisquit
 

Arthur, you tell it like it is. I like that.


First and foremost rule in tuning a bow is........ no flething contact. period.
Not less vane deformation. LOL !

RE: Regret the Whisker Bisquit
 

I'd rather have all fletch contact equal and an arrow that flys 2 f.p.s. slower and hit dead on at target than have an arrow that occasionally has one fletch make contact and fly off course, occasionally[8D];)