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Guns have safety devices. Sharp broadheads don't. You need to amend that last comment to say you've never stuck yourself YET. I hope you never do, but... Well, I just hope you don't wind up being nominated as a Darwin Award candidate.

One doesn't spend nearly half a century huntingwithout makingmistakes. Of course I've made mistakes. Some real doozies at that. But walking around with an arrow on my string is not one of them. I'll put an arrow on my string for the last 5-10 yards of a stalk, but that's it.

Even with you having an arrow nocked, I guarantee you I can remove an arrow from my quiver, nock it and getan accurateshot off before you can even hook up your release, get the bow drawnand settle the sight on your target.You want to get off a quick shot? You're using the wrong equipment.

You don't cant your bow at all! Not with sights you don't. Canting a bow with sights to the2 o'clock or 10 o'clock positionwill make you miss by several feet at 20 yards. And there's not much way you're gonna shoot instinctive with that disc of fibers out there blocking your view. Let's keep at least a modest grip on reality here.[8D]

Sorry to hear about that. However, it's an excellent example of what can happen due tocutting your arrows so short that you're drawing the broadhead into the sight window at full draw. When they're that short, the broadhead can do a gotcha. Overdraws are even worse. If he'd been using arrows long enough to keep the broadhead in front of the riser, he'd have come off unscathed.

Then there is the non-control of using mechanical releases. With a fingers release, you've got the arrow's nock between your fingers, so you've got a way to keep the arrow under control. With a release, there is nothing. The arrow is left to it's own devices during the draw and release. Rather than using that as an excuse to use a WB, I think it's an excellent reason to toss the release and buy a tab.

A well practiced fingers shooter can shoot just as accurately in the woods as a release shooter, and execute the shot a good bit quicker. When you nock the arrow, your fingers are already on the string. No fumbling around with a dangling release trying to get it in position to hook it up. Saves at least 10 seconds right there. Again, if you want to get off a quick shot, a release is the wrong equipment.

I've also noticed that light arrows are much worse about falling off rests than moderately heavy ones. Someone who is overbowed and shakes like a bowl of Jello when they draw can make a lightarrow jump off a rest, but that's a reason to cut down the draw weight rather than use a WB. I've seen a strong gust of wind nock a carbon arrow off a rest, but that's a reason to use heavier arrows, not go buy a WB.

Straightarrow, I'm not saying the WB is complete crap and I don't mean to infer it. I said what I meant earlier when I said it's popularity is all out of proportion to it's benefits. I feel the same way about dropaway rests. At least the WB is simple and uncomplicated, something the dropaway restsdecidedly are NOT, as our friend above has already noted. I like simple and uncomplicated.

On the other hand, even though you say you haven't been plagued by the problems associated with the WB, I've seen a great many who are. I got to see one fella blow up his brand new bow when the bristles in that biskit clamped down on his vanes. It was a low brace bow, so low that his vanes were sticking halfway through the disc at brace. He pulled the nock right out of the end of his arrow when he drew and, as twenty people simultaneously hollered "LET DOWN", he released. Wasn't pretty.[:-]

We haven't even discussed wear yet, where the arrows wear that nice little round hole into an egg shape. Which means the bow's zero and tune are constantly changing as the rest wears.

ELKINMTCWB jumped my case for talking about the WB without having used one. I've seen enough of the things around our club's range and local 3D shoots at other clubs that I decided long ago that I likely wouldn't use one. Observation is a scientifically approved method of gathering data, ya know.;)

Side note... I was wondering how long it would take to get you WB boys fired up. Had to do a lot of baiting to get it done. [8D]

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I know you didn't, that was someone else.

I agree that it's very easy to have a problem with the WB. It is also very easy to correct every issue I've ever seen with one. The problems are not ones encountered while hunting. They are ones that happen from improper set-up, using the wrong arrows or fletching, or something else that can be corrected easily enough before you go into the woods with it. Once you have it set-up correctly, it's an extraordinarily simple, sturdy, reliable and enjoyable rest in the field. Anyone who doesn't have the ability to set it up properly before hunting with it, shouldn't use it.

And you're right - you couldn't pay me to use a dropaway rest while hunting. Maybe we can fire up those guys! ;)

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Arthur
I am sure you pack you gun around loaded,and you have never shot your self YET.But it is some thing that could happen.

I can allso tell you,I have hunted with the stick and string[still do a lot].There is no way I can get an arrow out knock it and draw as fast as I can shoot with my mathews.Nor has any one else that has hunted with me so far.There has ben a few guys 2 that have stuck friends tring to load there bow when they spoted a deer walking out/in.
You a real lucky or realy realy good to only have to have your arrow loaded for the last 5 to 10 yards.I normaly kill 5 to 10 deer a speed goat or 2 and elk with my bowmost every year.Very very seldom do I get to stock a stoped animal.They are most allways grasing or in root to somewhere.

And for leaning my mathews.I would bet on my leaning.Most guys never lean there bows.As a ground hunter you have to lean or pass shots.I do lean right and left.I have even layed on the ground and shot[ yes learned this when useing the stick and string].I killed a nice 5x5 elk.

Not all of us comound shooters pack a box of bandaids.
Charles Bradford

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very well said, Straightarrow. (your 1st post)

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My shotgun has a safety and I use it. Not to mention I practice good muzzle control. Accidents can happen though. At least I don't go out of my way to invite them. Carrying a nocked arrow on a bow is an invitation.

I guess I am. I learned how to stalk up close on prairie dogswhen I was a little kid. Stalking up on a deer is no big deal.

MaybeYOU can't. You need tosee what someone can do who actually practices speed shooting from time to time.I can start out with my arrows in the quiver, bow at my hip, shoot 6 arrowsand hit 6 different targets at 15 yards in under 30 seconds with a recurve or longbow.I know a few guys who are faster than I am, but they're about 20 years younger than me too.

You guys holding hands while you hunt or what? Sounds like you might oughta spread out some and put a little distance between yourselves.[8D]

As for that stuff about canting your compound and shooting accurately, you need to explain that'n. I'm not buying it until you say you don't use the sights and then I'd want to know a good bit about how you gage your elevation when you can't see the tip of the arrow. Maybe you just use The Force? Poke-n-hope?;)

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As you said I musts have good muzzle control with my bow allso.I do not see any difrance.Point your gun at some one they could die.Point your arrow at some one they could die.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Seems the same to me,DONT point your bow/gun at any thing you do not want to shoot.

Sorry arthur did not see you where from TX.Walking up on a feeder isnot to hard.I dont get to to that. The deer/elk up here feed on what grows there.Not what is planted or dumped out.

This may fall back to the TX thing.We do not get to hunt out of the truck.Here in MT I have to walk miles some times to get to where I would like to hunt.When I walk out/in I do walk close to friends so we can talk about hunting or any thing for that matter.Maby you dont have any friends to hunt with.

I gess you if have never shot your bow that way you will never know.I do shoot tilting my bow.I even have shot my bow laying on the ground.I would think as a stick bow shooter you would know how to judge placment.[gess not] If you get to Helena MT give me a yell.I will be glade to shot you 1sthand how to shoot.I am not a3d stooter to me it waist my money that I can use to hunt with.

At under 25 yards you should be ablel to shoot any wepion at all with no sights.I for what ever reasion can pick up any ones bow and shoot 6in plates.I have showed this to many people.I have done it with left hand bows short draw bows.6in is not target shooting by no meens,but it will kill any deer/elk out there.

Fill free to come to Mt and hunt with me.
Charles Bradford

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Just so you'llknow,they don't allow feeders, food plots, baitingor hunting fromvehicleson public land here, and that's about all the hunting I get to do. Can't afford the got-rocks price tags they put on private leases down here. My hunting is every bit as pure and holy as yours is.

If you can't see the difference between carrying a gun with the safety on and carrying an arrow on the bow with exposed, razor sharp blades on it, then there is no hope for you. And you very well might be up for a Darwin Award someday. There is always that slick patch of mud to slip on; rock hidden in the grass waiting to trip you up; a root just waiting to grab your ankle.... Just one tumble and you could easily wind up with that arrow sticking where you wish it wasn't. I wish you all the best.

Too bad you don't go to a 3D shoot every now and then to hang out with archers. You're turning your back on learning valuable things about shooting bows, different equipment and stuff, not to mention making connections that could open up new hunting opportunities. You might actually see a rest that'd work even better for you than your WB, if you got out and around some. It's far from a waste of money. But they won't let you walk around the course with an arrow nocked on your bow. That's a severe safety violation.

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wb has no moving parts!!!! that is why i got one

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Arthur, you tell it like it is. I like that.


First and foremost rule in tuning a bow is........ no flething contact. period.
Not less vane deformation. LOL !

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I'd rather have all fletch contact equal and an arrow that flys 2 f.p.s. slower and hit dead on at target than have an arrow that occasionally has one fletch make contact and fly off course, occasionally[8D];)