Say I wanted to get a new bow..and my choices were
 

A BowTech Old Glory or a Hoyt UltraTec/V-tec C.5....

What would you choose and why? Why is the c.5 better than the equalizer? or why is the equalizer better than the c.5? I know the c.5 well, but have no exp w/ the equalizer. Service is not an issue with either brand for me...looking just for technical merit.

No "BT sucks" or "Hoyt sucks" posts please...or other brand suggestions for that matter, as those are the bows I have narrowed down to.

OK class...discuss

:D

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Wait until next year:D;)

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Thanks Russ..


I guess my question now is..

Would you havea suggestion as to ways I can improve my Kinetic Energy for hand launched arrows if I *do* get out to the woods this fall? :eek:

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Jeff.

If you had a 28" drawI would send you my Old Glory to test for a couple of days.

Oh hang on I take that back cause once you shoot the OG ya will want it and wont send it back.:);):D

I have found the Draw on the OG to be a lot smoother than the Allegiance and the V-Tec but that is just me;)

The speed is there also its not as fast as the Alley but not by much;)

It holds rock solid on target, no hand shock that I can feel and deadly quite.

The OG is also a tack driver when I do my part right.
I got a dozen Gold Tips 22 ultra light to try and just in group tuning wrecked 9 arrows[:@]Guess one day I am gonna learn not to group tune.:D

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Hey, Jeff:

Good to see you back here.

I don't know personally, but if you go over to ArcheryTalk, there was a pretty good discussion on that subject. A target shooter named Marcus from Australia was saying that the Cam.5 would get poor nock travel around full draw when the system was not in synch. He explained why a single cam was better than the Cam.5, mostly talking about the NRG cam. He had no experience with the CPS system, or Merlin's hybrids, apparently. He is shooting an Allegiance, and has extolled the virtues in glowing terms. Seems to be a big fan of the Equalizer system. For me and my limited experience, I shot Frank's OG, and really liked everything about it except for the little hump before letoff. That might have been worse, since his draw is 1.5" longer than mine. Shot feel, quiet, vibe, all were as good as any bow I'v shot. Also, the only Binary bows I've seen with the dreaded cam lean have been the Defenders. The Hoyts do thump a little more, but are very quiet. They peak too late for my taste, but maybe not yours. I also think the Hoyt system is more prone to serving wear on the power cable, not to mention that you would need new string/cables where you could actually shoot the ones that come on the OG. I try to pay attention to this stuff, but personally, I'm happy as a clam with my 40" ATA, 7.5" brace, 311 IBO Tundra!:D

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Not trying to start a bashing thread or anything, but it seems as if Bowtech has solved their limb/limb pocket problems this year. That being said, I went from a Liberty to a Protec with spirals, and they both feel dead in the hand, are whisper quiet, and have no vibration. I have shot an Old Glory and found it to be the same. I'd say the cam and a half would be better if you wanted adjustability of the draw without switching cams. But I'd also be willing to bet that the Old Glory was a bit faster.

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Heh..I feel that way most of the time Josh :D

keep those opinions/experiences coming folks...I'm outta the loop on these new 2005 bows...

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.....feel dead in the head......


OPPS [:-]

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no clue why this thing keeps making all my post show double.

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I am deciding between the same two bows as you are. This thread could be interesting.:D

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I'm glad to see that you may be returning to bowhunting after your recent implied hiatus. I take it this thread means you sold the Switchback.

One thought that comes to mind and has already been mentioned is the cam & 1/2's adjustability. Seems like this option would help you sell this bow by opening up to a larger buying base than a cam that is draw length specific.

Aside from that I know nothing of the two bows except those who own them love them.

I too will be watching this thread to see where it goes. I've often wondered how the two cam systems compare to each other.

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I wanted a Ultratec so bad for the last two years. Well, this year I finally got a new bow. I narrowed it down to the Ultratec, Allegiance, and the Switchback. After shooting all of them I bought the Switchback. I thought the Ultratec was the worst of the three. That is just my opinion. The Ultratec was a nice bow. Not what I expected. I liked the Allegiance also, but decided on the Switchback because it was 100 bucks cheaper than the Allegiance. The Ultratec is more adjustable, but to me that is its only advantage. I should have shot that Old Glory, I bet its a very nice bow. Good Luck!!

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They both suck. Buy a Diamond and be done with it.

:D....sorry but you were just beggin' for it with your original post.

My opinion? I do like the E-cam over the Cam.5 for the very advantages that it is advertised for. I think having both cams slaved to each other makes alot of sense. Tuning the Old Glory was a breeze initially. I haven't touched the cams since I started shooting the bow. They are slightly out of time, maybe an eigth of an inch, but still in synch with one another.

For next year's version of it though I would like a slightly wider valley and some type of rotating modular or replacement modular draw length adjustment system on it. I tinker with my draw length too much to settle for a cam design that doesn't offer much in that regard.

I have no means to measure nock travel but considering how easily the bow tuned both with fieldpoints and fixed blade broadheads I cannot imagine that is is much of an issue.

Hope this is what you were looking for.

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Those would be know as SPEARS,, very effective at VERY short range, very durable and you won't develop target panic:D

3/4 inch rebar will yield the best K.E.:)

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I thought about saying it, then I thought better of it. I knew 'someone else' would do it for me.:D Get a recurve, Jeff!;)

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I went through the same situation. I ended up with the Hoyt Vtec for a couple of reasons, one was how the bow felt in my hands, the 2nd was how adjustable the cam and a half is. The bowtech is nice, but not as adjustable and since I like to play with stuff the Hoyt was the natural choice for me. So far it's been a nice bow, super quiet, fast, easy to shoot etc. If I ever get time I am going to write up a review on it, my first attempt at a bow review, but it won't be as long or boring as someone else's I used to read;)LOL

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Now wait a minute...Do you mean to tell me you could hunt African Lions with a spear and NOT have target panic?. You da man Russ...:D


Jeff,

If I know you, you'll buy both anyway so if you do you should probably get the Hoyt first because once you have the Allegiance you won't want to get rid of it.;):D

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I'll take that into consideration. Thank You for your suggestions and your time

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I'm tryin to get motvated here Dave... a few recent hunting opportnity offers def got my mind back into the game a bit..that and slightly cooler weather and the days gettin a wee bit shorter...my fave time of year is fall...

anyhoo....Sale is pending on the SB...I'm waiting on payment...but I'm startin to get a little worried I won't be getting it. Regardless, the SB is too much bow for the time being since I basically have shot only 30-50 arrows in the past year. I need something a bitmore forgivingto get back into the groove with....SB is not nearly as easy to shoot as the OB was.

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Thats a BowTech, silly. :eek:

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Ok Smart@$$...just for that I'm gonna buy a PSE [:@]

And pay attention buttmunch!...who said anything about me buying an Allegiance??:eek:

yeesh...

[&:]

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That would be simplest and the best(Tho I prefer longbows)...I just dont have the kinda time required for proficiency with such a weapon anymore Art. :(Barely have enough time to shoot a compound and remain "skilled"

And I saw that little comment there Mr. Broadhead Test. [:@]

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Jeff,
I shot the 2005 models of both the Ultratec and the OG this past spring. One difference is the grip. Very different on these bows. Of course, you can change either once you buy it, so that is not really a big factor. The draw on both was smooth, but different. They peak differently, so it isa matter of personal feel. The c.5 adjusts, the EQ does not. In my limited testing, the EQ was more efficient. Better energy transfer using different arrow weights.

Bottom line, I liked both. I ended up with the OG for 2 reasons. 1) it was $200 cheaper than the Hoyt (really, it was) and 2) the Bowtech dealer is just better.

I have never looked back. I love that bow. I am shooting better than I ever have.

JMAC

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Hey JeffB....I guess I'm one of those idiots that buys a new bow every year but what the heck you can't take it with ya.:D:D

Seriously though I do switch bows alot and I make sure to try and shoot everything out there before I do and you won't go wrong with either brand..I don't have any experience with the OG and never shot it because it is longer ATA than I like. I did however have the X-Tec which is similar to this years V-Tec and I loved it. I had no problems out of the c.5 system and it shot extremely well. Smooth draw,Soild wall,No hand shock, and very quiet.

I have shot Hoyts for the last 4 years because I just wasn't picking up anything that really caught my attention or shot as well.

Until this year I switched to Bowtech...I am not a pronounced Bowtech Man but this new Allegiance I got is very sweet. The new equalizer technology had me interested and is why I decided to try one this year. It might not be quite as quiet as my Hoyts were but man is it a shooter. I shoot this bow better than any I've owned. It has a nice consistent draw IMO and avery soild back wall. I notice very little hand shock and it is blazing fast. I have a short DL and have never owned a hunting bow that shot over about 265-270. Well this one is pushing it out at 305-308 or so. Its just kinda neat only using one pin out to 30yds. Well just my 2cents...Good Luck with your decision...:):D

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Duh, I did goofy...

Obviously you're the one not paying attention...[8D];)

BTW, none of the bows you've mentioned suck, but you on the other hand...:D;)

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Pat,, while hunting lions with a spear,, the spear would simply indicate the spot where I turned and RAN back to the Landrover

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Yes, the spear would also mark a steamy corn laced pile of dung that the big bad lion would ultimately slip and fall in breaking his neck making for another wound free harvest. :D:D

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See that? You come back on here and everybody is having fun again!:D

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I saw that Chris. That is 3 bows now that I have known you. You are getting as bad as Jeff...or at least as bad as Jeff was....;)

Yeah, but with the original single cam style....;). I like the PSE idea...better yet, go Browning. I hear that new Illusion is da bomb.

Ain't that the truth.

:D

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Thanks everyone for the advice..ultimately I ended up going with something..errrmm...different

You folks haven't been having any fun since I've been scarce?

Yeesh...:eek:

I'm gonna start charging you people...

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Hey, wait a minute. You can't just go post something like that and not elaborate. Fess up!...another Martin?.....Jennings?....Merlin?

;)

:)

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That's weird I thought we spelled it R-O-S-S