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I just got my new Extreme VFT today and its killing me to wait to get my accesories on it. I am looking at getting either a Trophy Taker or NAP Quicktune rest. I need something easy to set up and tune.

I have a few guys that shoot the trophy taker shakey hunterand like it but one has a pretty fast bow and said getting it set up was a real bugger . His bow was the fastest of the 3and had a heck of a time getting it tied in right on the cablethat his fletching would clear before the arm fell. The slower bows didntseem to have the problem?Is this common? this Extreme VFT certificatesays it was shooting 275 fps at a 26" draw length and 350gr arrow. My draw is 27" so it may be a little quicker.

The NAP Quicktune looks easy since it replaces the slide and would be easy to adjust until it was right, just loosen one screw and move the string. Where the trophy taker would need to tie in then shoot then re-tie if needed


Anyone have any recommendation between the two? I am picking between these due to the ease of purchase they are in stock andI wont have to wait.

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I had a Trophy Taker Original on my last bow and it worked flawlessly ,but now I have a MZE on my Patriot Dually and it work's flawlessly as well .The ?Muzzy come's with a instructional video, if you follow the step's to setting it up you'll have absolutely no problem's with it and every time you re install it later it go's on faster .I can put this rest on with my eye's closed now .Id definately give the Muzzy Zero Effect some close consideration,I'm sure you would really like it.

nubo

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If you want a drop a way there plenty to choose from. Off the top of my head I'm not sure how the rest you are talking about works. The only ones I have heard that have problems with really fast bows is the Inertia driven rests. Like the ones you have to cock in the up position and the motion of the bow or something trips the rest.

If it is a cable operated rest the speed should not matter if the rest is set up properly to begin with. Any of them should work. I personally like the Muzzy Zero effect and Trophy Ridge Drop Zone. However I could not get the Muzzy to work on my Mighty Mighty because of the lack of cable travel. The muzzy is a driven away rest, not a fall a way. You need to have enough cable movement for it to work right. I have heard of others getting them work though. Maybe I didn't play with it enough? Oh well, it was an excuse to try a different rest.;) I'm trying a bodoodle next time I think.

As far as using a prong rest. I used to have a micro 3000 by NAP, well I still have it but I ruined it trying to turn it into a drop away. I messed the spring up or something. They work pretty good, but in my opinion the GFK's are built better. I have a Platinum Premier that is just an awsome prong rest. They make others that work basically the same for less money though. I think the 3-D rover is one of them? Something like that. They are built VERY solid.

Like I said though, NAP makes a good product too. I just feel the GFKs are a bit beefier is all.

Paul

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Oh, I'm sorry you were talking about one of the NAP drop a ways. I have never used one them. One of the few I have not tried. I have heard decent things about them though. I thought you were talking about a fixed prong rest.

Paul

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I use the NAP Quiktune 2000 drop away. I love it. The 5 minute installation is BS, but it only took me an hour to install it and adjust it to centershot. I had to read the instructions three times to completely understand it (the photos can be somewhat confusing). When I paper tuned it, I was shooting bullet holes at 6 feet on the third arrow (two minor adjustments). Backed up to 12, 18, and 24 feet and the tune held true. I'm shooting better groups consistently (1 1/2" 5 arrow groups at 20yards; good for me). I don't regret going with the Quicktune. I hope this helps!

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I also have the NAP Quicktune 2000 dropaway. I love mine. It's been very reliable and quiet and has never let me down.

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I do not have any experience with the Trophy Taker rest so I cannot comment on it.

I have used the NAP Quick Tune 4000 on my Buckmaster G2 and I loved it. It was easy to setup, quiet and fast. Never had any problems with clearance. It would not work on my '05 Defender VFT. There is not enough left adjustment to get the correct center shot. You may have the same problem with your Extreme VFT. I made a call to NAP and they told me that they had a new block that holds the prongs for this problem. They sent it to me and it looks like it has about a 1/4" offset to correct the problem. I did not install it since I purchased a QAD Ultra Rest before I received the block. That rest took some fiddling with to get it right. I had to increase the spring pressure to get it to fall away fast enough like the problem that Paul describes. My setup right now is pushing 300 fps and the fletching was just hitting the prongs before they fell away. Right now I'm shooting bullet holes in the paper test and my groups keep getting smaller the more I shoot my new bow. :) I would recommend this rest also since it's in the same price range. It's a drop away with total containment.

Whatever rest you get, I would suggest attaching the cord to the lower cable instead of the slide. The Bowtechs do not have a lot of cable slide travel so the rest will not react as quickly. Paul also mentioned this.

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I just put one of the VGB Kaz-Away on my new Mighty Mite, outstanding rest, plus it holds your arrow in place until you draw. I had the ultimate fall away on my Hoyt for 2 years and it also work flawlessly!

http://www.vitalbowgear.com/arrow_rests.cfm

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I have that same rest, but the one I have was put out by SME. I was not really impressed with it to be honest. Two of the screws stripped out while I was ajusting it and I had to set it up fairly nock high to get it to work. It actually suggested the arrow be at least one inch above the shelf I think. I know when mine was set up the arrow was above the mounting hole instead of even with it.

The arrow holder worked pretty well though, other than getting fletching contact if you don't set it up correctly because it doesn't drop away as far as some of the other rests.

Mine was the linkage version simular to the Muzzy rest. The muzzy is better in my opinion.

Maybe they changed them since the one I got. They look pretty much the same to me though.

Paul

I edited this post because I will admit it was a bit harsh and I didn't really convey things the way I wanted.

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I just went thru this with some yahoo at another shop my buddy bought his new mathews from. This guy said the same thing about the fletching contact. He guaranteed me that mine would have wear on top of the arm. He was wrong. I have had this on my bow for 2 years with countless arrows thru it, not a scratch. So I called a few shops around town that sold VBG rests and they all said if this happens it was set up wrong! Who ever set this up for you I would go get my money back because they had no clue to what they were doing. JMO
The owner of the shop I bought my Bowtech from showed me his bow and he has had the original rest 4.5 years old not a mark either. No bushing wear, no stripped screws, nothing you mentioned. I hunt with 5 buddies that all have VBG rests and no problems whatsoever.
Oh yeah the guy I bought mine from his name is Kaz, as in "Kaz-Away" I trust him! Its hard to find a good shop when ya do stick with it! JMO!!!!

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Well for one, I don't apreciate being called a yahoo, or having it insinuated. I don't know if that was the way you meant it, but that is the way I took it. You are comparing me to someone else and then calling them a yahoo.

I set the rest up myself according the instructions that came with it. Just like I have all the other rests I've owned and had no problems with. I don't normally let others install things on my bow or try and tune it for me. I looked and the one I have varies slightly from what you have. Mine was on top of the shelf when it rested so there was some clearance issues if not set up properly. I did not mean to apply that you would have fletching contact now matter way. Sorry if that is the way I made it sound.

I sort of worded that wrong. I didn't mean to say I had fletching contact. I meant that it could be an issue if you didn't follow the directions or pay attention. I set it up according to the directions and it worked for the most part after tweaking it. It did place the arrow higher than what I like to see and this was because of the arm for the arrow holder. It even explained this in the directions. With the ones that sit behind the shelf I doubt this would be a problem. Of course you are using a slight overdraw this way like most other drop aways.

It actually worked fairly well for me unitl the screws stripped out. I am one of those guys that likes to tinker with things. I change set ups and arrows frequently and re-tune my bow. First one screw hole went, I re-tapped it and used a bigger srew. Then the other one went, so I took it off the bow and got a different rest to play with. And it didn't happen within minutes of installing it. I probably had the rest for about a month before it happened. I was bare shaft tuning with a different set of arrows. I doubt it was my lack of tool usage knowledge since I used to be an automechanic and then an aircraft mechanic in the military. I think I can figure out how to not over torque an allen srew. Never had a problem with any of the other rests I own. And they all use simular screws. The version I have looks to be made of some pretty soft aluminum. It's light, but didn't hold up very well. I really don't care for the design either, even the newer ones.

If you like yours, that's fine. I was only saying I had a simular product and I didn't have very good luck with it. I own and have tried quite a few rests. I think there are better rests on the market. That is my opinion, nothing more. I have heard people say they don't like the muzzy and it's hard to use and install. I think it's great and if you can't figure out how to put one on you probably shouldn't be messing with it any way. I thought it was pretty simple myself. To each his own I guess.

Paul

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Whoa there big fella... I guess I can see how you took it the wrong way with the way I worded it, my bad. Your no yahoo, just the guy a this local shop my friend wanted to check out. All he did was bad mouth other shops and quality gear, not to professional, in my opinion! Sorry for the misunderstanding! I'm not here to make enemies! Good luck.

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I didn't figure you meant it that way, I was sort of messing with you on that one. That was a bit of stretch wasn't it. I changed my original post to something a bit better as well. I don't really think this rest was a piece of crap, that was bit rash of me. I just didn't have very good luck with it. However it was the original design and I am sure they have tweaked it a bit. It actually shot quite well for me until those screw holes went out on me. I will say this for it. It the absolute most quiet rest I have had as far as drawing arrows acrossed it. And the holder was pretty slick. I see they changed that as well. Mine only has one arm.

I know the type of people you are talking about though. Like the shop owner that told me if I used a 125 grn tip would blow right thru a deer when a 100 grn wouldn't. Even if you added weight to the shaft to to make up the difference. No matter how much you explained the concept to him he stuck by what he said.

Big Fella, I wish. My sig doesn't say psycho smurf for nothing;)

Paul

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Its all good Paul!!!!! I did some digging and my one buddy has the SME rest and it did change a bit when VBG took it over, hopefully for the better! I was a bit worried about the bit of foam they put underneath but works pretty well for me. Good Luck, sorry for hijacking the original thread...oops.;):D:D:D

Go Wings!!!!!!!

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look into the mirage by golden key archery---alot of your top notch hunters use it.i got one on my bow and love the thing.total arrow clearance.

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I have tried a pile of drop away rests with little success. Most couldn't touch what my BoDoodle Pro-Lite was doing for me. Until yesterday that is. I put a RipCord drop away on the bow, and man what a rest! I love the way it locks in the up position if you want it to, or just draw the bow and it will pull the rest up into position. Fully contained or remove the arm, either way it is nearly impossible to lose the arrow off the rest. Want to take the rest down out of the "cocked" postion? Pull the rope ever so gently and the rest will drop right down. It is the most accurate and easy to set up drop away I have tried. Cord clamps to the cable, and if you follow the instructions, you can be shooting in short order. Two thumbs up for me on this one boys!

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i use a cobra diamondback I love it and I shoot 280ft per sec