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Well after listening to all of the positive talk about the STS system I broke down and bought one for my Old Glory. And from the first arrow I new it was $40 well spent, if not the best $40 dollars I had ever spent archery wise. It really does as advertised. It makes your bow more forgiving and quieter. Probably more forgiving than quieter in the case of my Old Glory. Not that extra sims rubber can hurt a bow. I really do think this will be the next "MUST HAVE" for most archers. I would not be surprised to see some bows coming from the factory with STS systems already installed. I really thought my OG already was a tack driver but but now it really stacks the arrows together with the STS installed. I'll take some pics of it and post it. In the meantime you can check out their website at: www.stsarchery.com

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I love that it takes absolutly every bit of shock out of the bow. I just hate the little whack noise. Its quiet but a differnt sound. But I would recommend.

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I am starting to wonder about it a bit. I was always under the impression that it did do everything as advertised but after Len made a few comments about it awhile back I started tinkering with it a bit more. I believe it falls very much along the same lines as limbsavers in a sense. On some bows with certain setups it makes quite a difference in noise, recoil and vibration. While on other bows the change is negligible if at all noticeable.

Just some food for thought.

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Seems to work well with already quiet bows, such as the hoyt cam and a half and the ewqualizer cams. I have one on my allegiance and it takes out what little recoil and vibration is left. Doesnt help accuracy for me. Also does not work on my duallys, at all. Still a ways from "must have"for me.

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You said it right mizzou my alleys shock is all gone, I mean dead in my hand. Groups no better, and noise, sts kinda just changes the sound of the noise.

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I made something similar to that last year. But rather than mounting a seaperate rod in the stabilizer hole mine simply clamped to the end of the cable guard rod and was centered on my string about 1.5 inches above the nock of the arrow. I made it using a Sims limb saver just like the STS. It turned a very quiet bow making only a low thudd sound to a much louder thwack sound. It was noticibly louder with that thing installed so I immediately took it off.

Maybe mine being much closer to the center of the bow made a difference in the noise level mine made but it only made my bow louder.

Besides, there have been similar products on the market that do the same thing the STS does for a long time now so what is so special about this one?

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Absolutely nothing... it's just been pushed down everyones throat on every forum... I won't buy one that's for sure. Just for the fact I'm sick of hearing about them.. and I could make the same thing for $10 or so. Not to mention the originals from Saunders and the like are 1/2 the price of the copy. Does this guy also copy his marketing strategy from Mathews or what?

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Ken:

It funny you should compare the STS with Mathews. I keep feeling the same way about them both. With all the praise the STS gets on AT, I feel that I have to try it again, just to see what I am doing wrong. They mention a "sweet spot", which I have searched for, and experimented as much as I know how to do. I still hear a slap. Not really loud, not that much louder than the bow is without it, but not quieter. When I first shot the bow with the STS, I had a Whisker Biscuit rest, and it seemed to shoot very well. I have since re-installed a drop away, and I think I can group a bit better without the STS. Not sure why. The way guys talk about STS on AT, I guess I was just expecting more of a difference. When others who have shot it claim the same results I had - not really quieter, just different, it at least makes me think I'm not nuts (at least temporarily). I would think there would be at least some potential for downward nock travel for a few inches after the string hits the STS. I guess it seems to work better for some than others.
My impressions of my bow without the STS is that it is quiet enough, forgiving enough, and more accurate than the crackpot behind the string.[8D]

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I am wondering what it is doing to the nock travel as well. After seeing the still shot photo (AT & mathews forums)of the olympic archer shooting a switchback where the camera caught the string at it's full foreward position(dang near touching the riser all the way up!)- I would think the STS would cause the nock to be tossed down because of no STS stopper on top of the riser, above the nock as there is below.

I know I pulled my dropzone off because I was getting some nasty tears (and fixed blade b/h arrow flight) I couldn't live with. NowI wonder what would have happened if I'd removed the STS for a couple of shots.


How many of you STS'ers have flown your fixed blades with it yet??
If so, any noticable group changes?

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Like I sort of stated above, The STS didn't really seem to do too much for quieting down my Old Glory, which by the way is plenty quiet already. But the area where I saw the major difference was accuracy. It really tightened up my groups. Tell me if I'm crazy or not but it seems that Mathews bows seems to be the ones the STS has problems helping. Not a bash just an observation. The STS is in no way the cure all for all of your bow and tuning problems but in my case it seems to have helped tremendously.

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I find it intereting that there is such a wide variety of different results with the STS system. Some folks are claiming it is reducing noise while others aren't. Some are claiming it increases accuracy while others aren't. Why the differing experiences?

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IMHO it is simply because some people easily psyche themselves into believing something about a product before they even try it. Even though it may not do anything better than the product (or no product) did before hand.

Pound something into someones head long enough and lots of people will begin to believe it. IT's called marketing.

Look at the first post about the STS. If a person was thst pshyched up about the latest thing to hit the archery community that they had to have one you would be hard pressed to change their monds about it.


Has anyone actually tested the STS with a sound meter before and after it was installed and on different bows?

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I did not like mine. It masked flaws in my shooting form and is hard on the string fibers. $40.00 sitting in my junk drawer.

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An interesting comment. Care to elaborate?

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I will elaborate but keep in mind this is an evaluation with my equipment, and is just my opinion. If the product works for you and your setup /shooting style then I say go for it.
I am real picky about buying/shooting bows that the bowstring does not touch my arm. If it does slap me then I know I have a problem with my grip and can adjust on the following shot.

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bowshopper i just PM you.with a questionabout your sts
my email is [email protected]

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How do you adjust the arm length to your bow? and how does it attach to your bow?

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Well, I'll chime in. I have an STS system on my BowTech Allegiance and I think that it was $40 well spent. It didn't do too much for removing shock, but this bow was very shock-free to begin with. What it did do though was allow me to take off my factory string silencers (pick up a few fps) and have a bow that was every bit if not slightly quieter than with just the string silencers. This will save me time and money in the long run as standard string silencers don't last too long, especially on todays "speed" bows. Now, as far as accuracy, it helped me. I am not gonna say that it was a device sent from heaven that made me the best archer alive, but it did slightly help.

My buddy has one on his Switchback and he has experienced the same thing as me.

We did tests with these bows. One of us would stand about 5 yards to the side of my bag target while the other would shoot the bow into the target from 20 yards away, and this is what made us believers. You literally could not hear the bow at the shot, all you heard was the arrow cutting the air right before it smacked the target. Both my Allegiance and his Switchback had the same result, and that made us believers!

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This thread got me thinking again (always dangerous). Last week I finished up BH tuning my Darton getting field pt. like flight, accuracy and poi out to 40 yds. Earliest I have been all tuned up and ready. So what do I do? That's right, put the STS back on to test the nock travel idea. I went and shot some bare shaft arrows, but only got to shoot 20 yards before it got too dark. You wanna know what happened? Nothing, nada, zilch. The bare shafts were still flying just fine, and grouping with the field points with fletching. Tomorrow, I'll try to shoot some decent BH groups to see about grouping and impact. Hope I can have another shooting day like the two last week so it might be reasonably meaningful.;)

BTW, I tried Jerry/NJ's idea of the felt chair pad, as well as also trying the loop side of Velcro in an attempt to quiet the slap some. I do think it worked somewhat. Now if the thing would stay in place longer...[&:] Again, mine seems to work best about 3/16" away from the string. Still a little slap, but not any louder than the bow without it, just a little sharper.

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I found this interesting. If a bowstring slaps you then you believe it to be a grip problem. Why not too long of a draw length? I guess too long of a draw length could lead to improper grip but that shouldn't be something you could change just by adjusting how you grip the bow.

I understand your reason and agree with you but am curious to your reply to my question.

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Maybe I overstated myself when I said the STS will be the newest "Must Have" on a Bow. But this product deffinitlymade my groups to tighter. I never said it was cure all but I do feel it could be a piece of equipment someone can add on to their bow and have it be beneficial to their shooting. And I tell you if it wouldn't have done anything for me I would have sent it back in a heartbeat. Yes I was excited to try it, but if it didn't work why would I keep it on my bow and tell everyone in cyber space that it worked? Yes it may not work on some bows, not everything will work on every bow. I'm just paasing on a friendly note to tell others that it worked for me and that maybe they might want to try it. Sorry all if I seem a little agitated but a comment above kind of set me off. That is a first for me on this site after being a member for about4-5 years I think. I was just trying to pass along some friendly advice to try a new product.

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PaBowhntr,
I went from sideplates to a custom full grip at the same time I installed the STS. Once I was use to the new grip I put the sts back on, cut the rod and tried it in every possible position. The STS was very hard on my bowstring. 1 inch of "frizzies" on each side of the contact point. Damaged fibers =reduced string life.

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PA Hardwoods:

Sorry some of the responses you got made you feel like you were being attacked. From my personal opinion, it has everything to do with the STS discussions on ArcheryTalk, and absolutely nothing to do with your post. Over there, if you so much as question some rather outlandish claims by enthusiastic users, you get clobbered, and your character questioned.[:@]

Now, on to Dave's question about broadheads. I had stated before that I thought my bow was a little more accurate without the STS. I really think it was, but since I had the STS on the bow, I have fine tuned the rest. I thought the STS changed my POI a little, but again that was before last week's fine tuning. I'm not going to go overboard here, but I can be pretty confident in saying the STS did not have ANY negative effects on my broadhead flight or accuracy. In addition, my POI did not change after I put the STS on the bow, as it had before. If, as I wondered, it causes any downward nock travel, it didn't seem to have any effect. It seems doubtful based on how my arrows were flying. I apologize if my previously posted misinformation clouded this issue.:(

When a 53 yr. old with new progressive bifocals can shoot the way I shot the last 3 times out, life is good! (At least until the wife wakes up.)[8D]

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Good point about getting flamed on the AT forum;). I tried to word my response in a fair way. I would not purchase a bow that has one installed when testing before buying and I would not purchase the product to cure string slap (given you have the correct draw length). But on the other hand there are many satisfied customers, that's why I bought the product. My local proshop closed down so I did not get to see how it worked with other bows. My bow has a short ata.

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I wasnt't trying to flame PA about purchasing one. It's just that the title and opening post fit right in with what I was trying to say. It probably came across that way but I was just making a point. His post isn't the only one that is overly raving about the STS.

BTW, I very rarely post anything on AT anymore. Can't stand listening to most around there.

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Joe, that's great to hear those results. I'm going with the tiller adjustment next in my tuning quest.

One thing comes to mind though (not that it would make too much of a difference) but to the best of my recollection your shooting a hybrid cammed bow (darton typhoon was it?), I wonder if a solocam bow would have a different effect on the nock travel mixed with an STS seeing how the working cam in most near the STS? (on a bow that lacks level nock travel to begin with)

I guess i'll find out when i get back to tuning.

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I just got one and have shot 3-4 times with it. My bow was extremely quiet to begin with,(Martin Razor X)I noticed very little change in that department. I did take my leeches off and noticed no increase in noise. I haven't shot it without the leeches and STS. I probably won't. I did notice my groups get real tight. The nocks on my arrows snap on the string tighter than nicks I've used in the past. I wonder if this is the reason the STS helped my grouping.I did have to use the serving material rather quickly, because in a matter of just a few shots, my string was beginning to "fuzz". It does beat up my string, but the serving material has taken that away. I also shot broadheads the other night as well. They were dead on grouping, just a little low from my FP, settings. Which is great since i haven't began to tune the broadheads yet.

So in summary, it did very little as far as quieting my bow, only becuase it was quiet to start. It DID improve my grouping, so I am going to keep it for now. For those who don't like them, they have a 30 day return, send it back.

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I took mine off because it is too loud....I have a Switchback which is very quiet to begin with...But I wanted to get rid of the slight string vibration. So I shot the STS for a week thinking it would make my bow even quieter....NOT! I played around with the gap between the string and suppressor but nothing seemed to fix the noise problem. It would make a significant pop noise when the string strikes the rubber suppressor. Without the STS all I get now is a slight string vibration noise which is noticeably quieter than with the STS.

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Many of you are right-on about the 'dedication' over on AT. It is very prevalent and mindset.

As I said before, it is a device that is not a 'cure-all' and something that yields varying results dependent on application, set-up, and form. The reason itmightwork for some is that it corrects nuisances that are inherent in their design, set-up, or form. The reason that many don't see the 'benefits' is because the 'results' create other problems or fail to 'correct' the intendedproblems.

It is a design that has been tried before by several other companies and did NOT revolutionize the industry. The usage of Sims products and a'univeral' mounting configuration did not radically change the basic design. Some will see benefits where others will see negatives. It's been that way since the first design hit the market and hasn't changed through the present configuration.

Will it 'cure' certain problems? Sometimes. Will it cause certain problems? Sometimes. Is it a 'cure-all'. No.