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IDkTm 09-18-2002 11:22 AM

String Loop Questions
 
After this hunting season I'm probably going to put a new string on my bow and have been considered adding a string loop at the same time. My concern lies with the fact that with the loop my draw length will effectively be a little bit longer, correct? So my anchor point would move back a little as well. Should I consider buying a new release with a string loop head, I've heard some of them have a short head to cancel the added length of a string loop or should I have my draw length shortened a little bit? Or maybe I should not worry about it at all? Thanks for any help guys.

Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?

conan 09-18-2002 11:39 AM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
The string loop will add to the length of your draw. So if you shoot a 30" draw and your string loop is 1/2", it will feel the same as a 30.5" draw. So you are correct. If you leave everything the same your anchor point would move back. For me when I did this it moved my head further from the string which made the hole in my peep sight smaller as well. What I did is just went with 1/2" shorter draw lenghth and with the string loop everything was perfect. The only downside is you'll lose a little speed. I've tried 4 different releases so far and like the Scott releases best with the string loop. This is personal preferance, but I do think the releases designed for loops work better. It's easy to tie a string loop on to your string but I've found those new super loops work great. A little more hassle to put on but will never come off unless you cut it off. It will be interesting to see what the other guys say as well.

FLHunter 09-18-2002 12:13 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
I do not agree with Conan about your drawlength changing by the addition of a stringloop. However your anchorpoint will change some by adding the loop. If your drawlength is correct in the first place I wouldn't change anything and learn to adjust to the new anchor. If you have a release that can be shorten up so the head position is closer to the loop the change in anchor is not that great.

Aim Hard!

ken rose 09-18-2002 03:06 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
I was using a Scott Old Faithful rope release until this year.I switched toma loop and to a Scott Litlle Goose release.I didn't change anything,as long as your using a Kisser Button on the string to start with,it will only come back so far with any kind of release.But,if your not using something on the string to anchor with,then it will probably change your anchor point some.I didn't have to change my draw length for the string loop.


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CapstoneME 09-18-2002 09:34 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
To me, the benefits of shooting a loop far outweigh the drawbacks. If your bow fits you well, then you'll need to shorten the string to compensate for the length of the loop. A different release might lessen the effect, but shortening the string is certainly the cheapest route. Try to use the shortest loop you can get by with and not create clearance or pinch problems. I had a shop install a loop and the thing was close to 1" from the string to the back of the loop. Since then, I've installed my own. (If your loop were 3" long, for instance, your bow would feel like the draw length had grown 3" compared to before the loop. You don't want to have to change your anchor point just to compensate for the loop.) Also, even though the spine requirements will change for the bow, you should still be fine. Why? Well, one of the benefits of the loop is that it allows a "straight ahead" release of the arrow. With "straight ahead" there's rarely any adverse effects to being overspined. Also, by shortening the draw length 1/2", you'll lose a little of the bow's power stroke, so less spine will be needed (meaning your current arrows will seem to act slightly stiffer than they had.) This will in all likelyhood be a good thing.

Here are a list of benefits for using a loop (from Bob Ragsdale's site):
- Eliminates arrow-falloff at full draw.
- Makes nocking point location less critical.
- No need to re-nock after a let-down.
- No serving wear from release aid contact.
- Assures easy one-hand loading.
- Releases can remain attached and ready to go.
- Eliminates gaps in serving from up pressure on nocking point.
- Controls peep sight rotation.
- Eliminates nock warping due to pinch at full draw.
- Allows release aids to be at an angle rather than only level.
- Makes shorter length bows easier to work with.
- Extends maximum available sight range area.
- Prevents arrow from sliding down the string during the shot.
- Prevents release aid rope slap with high cheek anchor.
- Improves shoulder alignment.
- Loop length can modify draw length of bow.
- Eliminates chin slap from inward swinging release aid ropes.
- Can be used with all non-rope release aids.
- Reduces string vibration noise

5 shot 09-19-2002 04:18 AM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
Your draw length is what it is, that never changes. Now if you add a 1/2" loop to your string, and keep the bow set at the same draw length, and then anchor in the same place, your going to come up a 1/2" short. You can do four thinds. change your anchor point. go to a release with a shorter head, shorten your current release, or shorten yor bows draw length. When I went to a loop, I changed the bows draw length. The main reason was I already shot my Scott mongoose at it's shortest length, and I did not want to change my anchor( been using the same one for years, and I am very comfortable with it). My only other option would have been to buy a new release with a shorter head, that would be exspensive since I like to keep a backup on hand. For me the most practical way was to drop down about 3/8" in draw length on my bow.

TAKE YOUR KIDS HUNTING AND YOU WON'T BE HUNTING FOR YOUR KIDS

FLHunter 09-19-2002 07:36 AM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
The part that bothers me with shortening your drawlength in adding a stringloop is the fact that part of developing a proper anchor is correct drawlength. Changing the drawlength changes your anchor references ie. like string to nose anchor point reference. It also effects your bow arm extension distance to re-anchor into proper position providing your drawlength is correct in the first place. I personally would elect to change my anchor slightly over changing a correct drawlength. I have found it is better to shoot a slightly shorter drawlength than a too long one, however a too short drawlength has its downfalls as well.

Aim Hard!

dwcp99 09-19-2002 08:40 AM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
Anyone try the plastic loops that attach to the string with allen screws?

It seems like these would cause excess torque on the string??? Do the string loops work better?

IDkTm 09-19-2002 01:04 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
One of the refrences that I use for my anchor is that I can feel one feather against my cheek when I'm at full draw. I've gotten used to that. My current release can be shortened up so that shouldn't be a problem. I'm thinking of going to a Carter One Shot release, it looks to have a fairly short head and I'm sure you can adjust the length. I'd rather not make a draw length adjustment if its possible. Sounds like when I get my new strings I'll have a string loop added.

Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?

HuntingBry 09-19-2002 01:43 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
Conan, what are the super loops? I haven't heard of them.

Capstone, good post. I like the list of benefits and have really come to appreciate some of the thing listed since switching to a loop 2 years ago.

dwcp99, I don't know about the plastic ones but I did try the metal loop made by TRU Ball. I didn't care for it because it had a tendency to hang on the release from time to time causing wild shots and there was an 11 fps difference between that and a loop which I consider to be significant.

dwcp99 09-19-2002 04:14 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
Do you guys use a nocking point with the string loop or does the string loop stay put? If not, where do you align the arrow? against the top knot? Thanks!

biggunz.45-70 09-19-2002 05:17 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
I use a nock point with my loop but I would be interested to hear if other guys get away without one. the less weight on the string the better for arrow speed.

bigbulls 09-19-2002 06:56 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
I've been using a string loop since before they started selling them pre cut and packaged. My pro shop used to ask me why I would want to use one. I don't use a nock or tie them in to keep my loop in place. Once installed and shot only a few times it gets tight enough to mesh, so to speak, with the serving, It's also easier to tune since you don't have to remove the nock to move your nocking point. Just rotate the loop around your string and it moves up or down like a screw on your serving. My loop is tied in so the top and bottom knots both touch the nock with even pressure. I once tried the Tru nocks but didn't really like them because they are heavy, noisier at the release, and that's just four more screws to come loose. To answer your question HuntingBry, they are string loops that are served in the middle and have permanant loops on the ends. You can't tie them on like the regular loops but instead you have to remove your bow string and put them on that way. They are definetly on there to stay but I opt for the tie on ones for the ease of replacing with out having to use a press to get one on and off.

Edited by - bigbulls on 09/19/2002 19:58:43

pdq 5oh 09-19-2002 09:23 PM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
I agree with FLHunter. If you change the draw to compensate, the string won't come all the way back to your anchor points. I tie my loops just long enough to allow my release to be attached (Scott Lil Goose). Really the only change will be the position of your draw hand, a little farther back. The other points will remain the same.

Phil.

Stealth_Force 09-20-2002 01:21 AM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
I also agree with FLHunter.
I would advise AGAINS'T changing draw length IF it was correct to start with. All you need to do is learn a new back anchor. Your bow arm, and your head/torso are NOT effected by the addition of a loop, only your release arm. Your bow arm is MUCH more critical when talking about draw length. If your not leaning back, or raising your shoulder, why would this change if you added a loop, but kept your peep, and string the same (Unless you anchor your release to your face, and don't use a peep)?

As for the loop, I don't use a nock, or tie anything above or below...JUST a loop. If I want to raise the loop, I must rotate the loop around the string like a nut on a bolt....otherwise, it just don't move.

conan 09-20-2002 11:16 AM

RE: String Loop Questions
 
You can view the super loops at www.rock-itoutdoors.com
I like them because there are no knots to slip and it only adds about 3/8" to your draw or perceived draw depending on who you're talking to. The downside is you have to slide these down your string so you will need a bow press. There seems to be alot of different opinions on string loops so far. My anchor point is my knuckle behind my jaw bone. Lots of guys are saying just to move your anchor point but the last I checked my jaw bone isn't moveable. I therefore belive changing drawlength is the best option, at least for me. I guess you could shorten your release a little and keep it the same. In any case, the benefits of a string loop outweigh the hassle in my opinion.


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