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Old 01-12-2007, 07:45 AM
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Looking for advice on two things:

1. Should FF and Hold be taught as one command (i.e. "Fetch" means fetch and hold) or two dinstinct commands ("Fetch" and "Hold").

2. The area my dog needs improvement is much more in holding the game without meneuvering it in his mouth while bringing it back as well as the bringing the game to hand. I have yet to throw a bumper without him going to retrieve it. I have tried to tire him out to the point he doesn't want to go after it, but I have not been able to. I have thrown bumpers both in woods, open areas, water (on the same session) for a long time; probably in the area of 25 to 30 retrieves and he has never flinched. How can I teach FF to a dog that has wanted to retrieve everything?

I'm inclined to think that I could work on "hold" with him and in the event he tells me to "f" off on a retrieve, then I could FF him.

Thoughts?

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Old 01-12-2007, 08:17 AM
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Age of dog?
Breed of dog?
What training program are you following? (I don't know of any training program that would advise you to throw that many retrieves).



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Old 01-12-2007, 09:55 AM
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Breed - Pudelpointer
Age - 8 months
Training Program - Armbruster

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Old 01-13-2007, 08:52 PM
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Mustad,

If you are running JGHV tests with this dog, take note that the rules have changed. You cannot tell a dog "hold" if it is mouthing a bird on a retrieve...if you do you fail. The dog must be trained so that any animal it finds must be retrieved to hand with one command only.

I would FF, throughly. Also, don't try to do it "lab style". The amount of pressure that they put on labs during FF is not necessary for most continental breeds, and is in fact, too much. Slow and steady with just enough pressure to get your point across is all it takes.
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Old 01-14-2007, 08:33 AM
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Hold is part of FF. Teach hold first, then progress with FF.
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:16 AM
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Default RE: FF vs Hold...

Thanks for the responses.

AM - you've nailed into my dilemna. My PP is from Cedarwoods, so JGHV testing is not an option. Given that, I'm trying to decide which approach would be better for my situation. I am trying to decide if it would be better to use one command out of ease and possibly less confusion to dog ("Fetch", "Good boy", "Here", "Hold", etc...); but at the same time am wondering if using two commands would enable me to address the specific issue for correction at anytime more precisely, whether it were a fetch issue or a hold issue.

I have another week or so solidifying him up on heel. We're just about to start without a lead, so keep the comments coming.

I'm really hoping I can get him through FF by the spring so that most of the summer can be spent getting into the fun stuff.

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Old 01-15-2007, 02:06 PM
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Most folks do HOLD commandfollowed by FETCH command......................I'm from the old school and only use HOLD for each.



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Old 01-15-2007, 02:23 PM
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Sorry Doc, I'm getting what you're saying.

Are you saying you only teach your dogs how to hold and don't go through Force Fetch? Or are you saying you use only one command, in this example, "hold"?

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Old 01-15-2007, 05:33 PM
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I go through the entirety of FF.
I merely use HOLD as the only command.




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Old 01-15-2007, 05:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: mustad

Breed - Pudelpointer
Age - 8 months
Training Program - Armbruster

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Does Armbruster advise that many retrieves?[]




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