Also, if you need to make a correction in the Field, you can do so with ear pinch ------- but not toe hitch.

The reson we (myself, and the dog trainer i work for) FF is to Cure Hardmouth, eating Birds AND ensuring retrieval to hand. But Doc E had a point when he said it teaches them to work under pressure. Doc E when i am in the field i always have the E collar and that is what i use.

MNfowlplay

FF is about MUCH MORE than "good mouth habits" (which it's great for). It's about the dog learning to work under pressure. The dog learns that he does things NOT ONLY because he likes to, but because it's his job. FF is the foundation for much more advanced training as well.
It provides momentum, it teaches the dog that it has a job, it gives the dog good mouth habits, it enhances all other training that involves "pressure", and it makes a good retriever into a great retriever.

Great Points Doc E, I agree

Since my last post I think I have cured my little Chessie. Every morning after they have had their morning run and before the heat has begun to build. I have been planting a couple of frozen pigeons for her then getting her from the kennel. When I have sent her (the last 3 mornings) she has gone out found the pigeon and delivered it to hand perfectly. This morning she did the same with a clipped pigeon. Tomorrow morning I will be using a frozen duck. Sometimes when I'm training it seems like a light comes on and both of us learn something. I believe it was when I threw the first frozen pigeon and she went for it and began digging at it I just yelled her name and said "NO". I then went out picked it up again tossed it and when I said fetch she picked it up and brought it to me. Thanks to everyone for their input on my problem.

Dr Gildy,
I strongly suggest FF her. It will give you a handle on the dog you do not have now. Right now she is retrieving for her and you. Notice who is first in the equation. After you FF she will retrieve for you. The difference is suble but you will have a better and more confident retriever. I used to course (hunting game with sight hounds) when I live in the West. I had greyhounds. I told a training buddy I was sure a greyhound could put pheasants in the bag, one thing led to another and we bet dinner for the two of us and our wives, I had 6 weeks to get ready. I had already shot pigeons over one of my dogs so I was sure I could do it. I was expecting a 6 weeks force breaking session, she was so soft I had it done in 2.5. I couln't believe it. I assure you, you Ches is tougher than the greyhound and springer spaniel I force broke. Don't let her set protocol or standards of retrieving. Teach her to retrieve for you. This will pay huge dividends when it comes time to teach her multiple marks and blinds (which she should be getting ready to do at her age). By the way I won the bet.

Dr Fatguy