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WOW!!!!!!!!! :D That is incredible news! Hopefully the other guys will not renew the lease and keep working overtime. I suggest we all get together sometime, somehow, and go over all the details. I am there, I mean I am so there, who should I write my check out to?!? LOL!!;)

Butch A.

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Well Butch considering it's a holiday I'm looking to hear back from Mr. Freeze the property owner early part of the coming week. I'm trying to setup a visit to the property.

As he stated (I was notified that unless the overtime is dropped they will not renew. That being the situation, the property will be available.) I'm only planning to a Yes we'll take the property. Oh and just put your change aside so you'll have it come time to sign the lease which I have done as well tucked my change away with great anticipation of acquiring a lease.

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Sounds VERY promising! Keep us updated.

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Yes it sounds good, the only thing is that you cant use rifles, or shot gun slugs! in Louisa county but you can in the farmville area. When will we know for sure if the other group backs out?

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This sounds like just the ticket. Count me in. I will do my best to make any pre-season meetings, visits, etc. as necessary to help make it happen.

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Taz:
Are you still out there? Haven't heard from you in a while. I'm in Falls Church now and would like to get together.

My cell: 703-463-1546

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Hey Gun,

We can get together, I'll be at Quantico Tuesday @ 1 p.m. qualifying for mainside bow season. We can get together besides I need to play with some of the toys I got this year at the range.

804-852-4156 cell
David Bethea

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Va... I too will be at Quantico on Tues for the mainside shot!!! We will have to hook up while we are there....

I will pm you my cell Va give me a shout about meeting on Tuesday!!

While we may not be able to use rifles or slugs you can use a muzzelloader all season besides this may be a piece that we go bow only on.....

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Hey VA,

That sounds really good only I got no clue how to shoot a bow. I'm left Eye dominant and right handed to I've always avoided archery. Anyway if it looks like its gonna pan out let me know and maybe one of you old archery salts could get me ironed out.

Thanks
Phoenix

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PhoenixMA,

I am lefty eye dominant and shoot lefty. No matter what, I just can't shoot righty. .....never could. [:-] Even if I hold a righty bow, rifle, shotgun, etc, and try to sight down it, all sorts of weird bizarre things happen! I see two targets or two barrels or two sets of sight pins! [&:]

VA hunt group: Here's my phone numbers if you want to give me a shout sometime...

"Butch" Ammon
(h) 804-754-2930
(w) 804-378-1302
(cell) 804-307-1488

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Here's the run down gents!

Mr Freeze: David,
I attempted to contact you by phone unsuccessfully this morning. I have
shifted the emails to my personal email to where I will be able to
better monitor incoming mail. Please use this address in the future. I
use the other to minimize spam.
Regarding the lease. Let me know what you need as far as information.
I want you and your group to go to the property and determine that you
do want it. I would like to establish a long term lease with someone so
that they can use the property to its maximum potential and to where I
will not be having to put it available for lease.
By reviewing the emails, I am unclear if have have the same lease
rate in mind. I do need $5 per acre base rate and I need to get to $6
but that can be done over time. There would be a small fee for insurance
but that is only 30 cents or so per acre. Currently I am leasing my
other acreage from $6 up to $8, the $8 leased acreage would bring in $10
to $12 but it would abuse the current hunters. I am not greedy and I do
not frequently increase the lease rate. I am more interested in having
someone that will look after the property, hunt safely and pay the lease
on time. You can call me on my cell phone. Regards
Larry

Well I spoke with Mr Freeze and told him wee would be interested in acquiring a long term lease as well. I need to here from all of you in regards to this particular lease I worked hard on this one so let's make it happen. David

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Phoenix, I'm quite sure with all the experience between us we can bring you along as to using a bow. I mean that's the purpose of forming this group IMO!!

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Any questions please contact me 703-583-8216 home message etc. or Cell phone 804-852-4156 or pager 1-888-562-2343 David Bethea to the paging service.

In Butch words TTT let's make it happen,

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I say we set up a time in the very near future ( like next weekend) to go see the property and go from there. He sounds like a good landowner to deal with that we could easily develop a long therm relationship with.

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Gun Barrel,

The GCS office at Quantico hours are 8 am til 1 1/2 past sunset Sept 4 - Oct 1 Orientation Safety Classes 8 am, 9 am and 10 am 703-784-5523 or 5329

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Gents,

I am available to review the property Saturday morning my earliest, then I'm off to NC at 12 noon deep sea fishing for my club fishing trip of 24 hours. I won't return until 1 am Monday Morning Sept 13, 2004.

I've already called a few members from the numbers I currently have, let's keep the communication line open as it's vital to coming together on this.

So here it is, 322 acres @ 5 per acre $1610.00 for the year lease with an additional .30 for insurance of $96.60 brings the total to the sum of $1706.60.

I'll leave it to Butch to figure out the Mathematics of this from reading a post he did else where..lmao I'm just assuming maybe 15 members 21 acres each to hunt etc I'm just throwing things out there to think about.



www.fishaholics.supreme-enterprise.net

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YEAH!!!!!:D[8D]

VA Guys: This is a fantastic opportunity! I mean, sit back and think about it.... All the B.S. with WMA's and 900,000 hunters.... AP Hill / Quantico base permits.... State forest permits.... Irrelevant.

This is a golden opportunity thanks to VASavage270! I talked to him on the phone earlier and got more details. I like to keep this "TTT" (To The Top) so we always can see it on the forum.

Let's see here {breaks out calculator}....

$1706.60 overall total

$1706.60 divided by 5 hunters =====> $341.32 per person
$1706.60 divided by 8 hunters =====> $213.33 per person
$1706.60 divided by 10 hunters ====> $176.66 per person
$1706.60 divided by 13 hunters ====> $131.25 per person
$1706.60 divided by 15 hunters ====> $113.77 per person
$1706.60 divided by 18 hunters ====> $94.81 per person
$1706.60 divided by 20 hunters ====> $85.33 per person

What do you say, guys?!?!? [8D]

Butch A.

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Um.. Butch is that Fuzzy Math or what..lmao

Ok update!! I just got off the phone with Mr. Freeze and He's not going to be able to be available for the visit he lives in NC.. However he will provide us all the maps, exact locations etc of his property with the bounderies. I will get this in email format but I won't post that information for reasons I'm sure your aware of (Other Eyes)..lmao

We can visit the property any time at our convenience, Again as stated he's looking for a group who will take care of the property as their own etc., as well. Just Imagine what we can do hmm...



BowHuntr,

Yes Mr. Freeze seems to be the type of land owner who's willing to work with us nothing but great communication between us thus far.

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this sounds like a good opportunity, just keep in mind the "net" acreage available for hunting before we open this up to more than 10 people.

322 acres
- 8 acre pond
- 1 acre pond
-180 acres open field
= 133 NET acres to hunt.

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Awesome.... Just plain awesome.... This is really turning into something too good to pass up![8D]:D

Guys, I just went back through all 18 pages of this thread and kind of got a tally or head count of possible people interested. I could be wrong, but it appears we have 17 people that have shown real interest in this thread.

Butch A.

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LoL Butch,

Well Um.. Err.. We're only interested in those who's going to put up or Um.. I rest my case...hehe

Yes It's been a long thread to say the least now it's time to meet those three facit of people known to man kind. Those who say what happen, Tthose who watch things happen, and Those who make things happen! which are thee! This remains to be known I'm looking at a blank check made out to Mr. Larry Freeze...lol

Oh by the way do you guys remember the Bylaws if not I have them from when Eng and a few others drafted them.

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:)Im ready,... VaSavage when you get a map of this property could you e-mail us a copy? I only live aprox, 30 min away from that area and would like to check it out also. maybe we could meet there on saturday?

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Ok I spoke with Mr. Freeze for a few hours he said we can manage the land as we feel without damaging the timber etc.

He gave me the arial of the property so here goes,
http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.c...=5066&Z=18&W=1

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.c...W=1TerraServer

You'll notice a Y in either picture but the first one shows it center of the page almost this road off to the right, then turns left leads to the property from the east going west upper boundary. The road running parallel to the Y is travels down through the boundaries.

1. Exit I-85 via ramp at sign reading "Exit 4 VA-903 to
Bracey / Lake Gaston" and go 0.2 miles 0.21 mi (0.34 km)

2.Turn right on VA-903 and go 7 miles 6.60 mi (10.63 km)

3.Bear right on VA-626 and go 11 miles 10.67 mi (17.18 km)

4.Bear left on VA-665 and go 0.7 miles 0.70 mi (1.13 km)

5.Turn right on VA-667, Lake Gaston Dr and go 1.0 miles 0.99 mi (1.59 km)

6.Turn left on VA-718, Hammack Rd and go 1.4 miles 1.37 mi (2.21 km)


From the small bridge on Hammack Rd you will see a fairly nice brick
home on the left north side of the bridge. The property starts in the cove behind this house and then continues around the small peninsula approximately 2000 ft in a west and northwest direction. The area with the large hardwood trees was understated earlier as there is approximately 25 to 30 acres, the balance of the property is in planted pines that are 15 plus years old or in natural regeneration mixed trees. As you travel Hammack Rd north the pavement will end and you will see an antique gas pump at a private drive on the left, continue on Hammack rd 1100 Feet past the pump and on the left will be a logging rd with a damaged gate lying on the ground. This is the entrance from the East Side of the property. Take this road and the 186 acres of leased land is on the left side of this logging road and this road will lead to paved state road 665. There is a locked gate here. The 136 acres is north of this logging road and is accessible from hwy. 665 slightly north of where the logging road intersects hwy. 665. Hope this helps.

Can someone assist with converting his directions from Nc I-85 to the property from Northern Va, Richmond Etc? I still have a lot of talking to do with Mr. Freeze he talks as much as I do..lmao great Man

If anyone else would like to speak and get a feel for Mr. Freeze pm me and I'll give his number only to those serious about this. In time we may all have access to it. Leaders Step Forth!! Candidates for Pres, VP etc. step up!..lmao.. Isn't there one among you willing for the call of duty?..hehe:D Let's see what the group is really made of, I don't want to just pick names..lmao

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I thought we were discussing property in Louisa, VA. These directions lead to Brunswick, VA.?????

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Well, I'm calling Mr Freeze back, think he got the properties wrong...lol sorry. I'll get to the bottom of this he's an old man.

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I'm with Bowhunter09..... I'm like HUH?!?!?[&:] This property is down in Lake Gaston near the Americamps campground (I've been down that way fishing with a buddy one time). This isn't Louisa County.... This is Brunswick County on the NC border!

VASavage270 and other northern VA Hunters: Get on I-95 south. Keep going. Keep going further through Richmond and down towards Petersburg. Just an exit or two in Petersburg, I-85 will split off. Take I-85 south all the way down to Exit 4 in Bracey and Lake Gaston.

From my house here in the west end of Richmond, Lake Gaston is 2 hours max. Trust me.... a buddy and I hauled my boat down there and went fishing one time. It's the same exit. The same place. Same area.. Exit 4 in Bracey. Route 903 towards the Americamps campground and the marina. I went by Route 626 on the left too. So, I have a general idea of the location.

If anyone wants to check it out further, let me know and we'll get together and drive down. I just feel funny because I was thinking it was near Bumpass, up near Lake Anna, and up in Louisa County. But still, it is a great piece of hunting property for the money.

Butch A.

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Farmville update: David,
I appreciate your patience. I have been working w/ several hunting groups prior to you contacting me. At this time I don't have any property to lease but that can change over the next several weeks. If there is a possible lease opening I will contact you.

It was easier for him to mention that before I started calling him and leaving messages after he told me (David, I have 3 tracts Iam willing to rent.... 1000ac and the other 2 are 250 a piece August 2, 2004)

Myself and Mr. Freeze will discuss the error in properties, I'm just hoping it's just that. But from his listing it was bumpass sorry again gents.

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YELLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSS aaargggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Frustration setting in once again after all this hard work. Well just keep on trucking. My favorite quote: Success is not based upon how far one's gone before giving up!! Ok I have to take a quick nap work starts at 4 am for me and it's um..errrr.... 12:30 am.. dam .lllmao yeah yeah I'm Assiduous about making this happen..lol

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Wow, the Bumpass Farm almost sounds to good to pass up at that price! It's disappointing that rifle/slug hunting isn't permitted, though. It looks like I'll be sticking to gun season this year. You know how it goes--bills first, muzzleloader second. :(

Still, I could go out with buck shot and still get some dinner. Just have to bring them in a little closer, which is fun in itself.

I'm open to checking it out. I'll see what you guys are up to, and maybe we can all take a look.

***

Jeez, Brunswick? That's a no-go for me coming from NoVA. Please let me know if Mr. Freeze does indeed have property in Bumpass.

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all right.. I think I am understanding this correctly its down the road a little farther than Louisa lol... Dave I will see you at qauntico in a hour and half or so...look for the guy with the older than dirt bow trying to keep them all on the backstop lol....

Butch sent me a pm to which I sent him a email... I will post it on here a little later I need to go shoot one last time lol....

Butch feel free to paste our email if you wish ..

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Eng, showing up early at the range won't help ya any..lmao...I'll be the guy with the black target hat on hitting ten ring each shot..lmao

Well gents bad news, I spoke with Mr. Freeze and he apologized for the mis-print the property is near Gaston Lake. Dam Dam Dam!, hmm.. I can make it to the north carolina border in hours from here..lmao of course I'm flying (speed limit 80-85 mph) and flashing my lil credentials..lol I'll leave this up to everyone to decide so I can let Mr. Freeze know we are not interested and thank him for his time.

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Will do... Here is the email I got from eng40sqd:

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Hey there Butch!

I just caught up on all that this morning... I am actually going to be
meeting up with Dave at Quantico around 13:00 as we are both trying to
qualify to hunt mainside...

To me that is a bit on the far side as a primary property... maybe as a
secondary it would not be too bad I do know there are some nice deer down
that way though!!!

I have a few leads in the area i am working with.. mostly waiting ot see if
the other people renew or not... one I have put a small holding fee on in
case the others do not renew it...

The golf couse I will hopefully be hearing somethign back on at the end of
this month.. I know its a last minute thing but atleast it will be a nice
place to do some bow hunting .. it will be bow huntign all season if they
decide to lease it.

I have been calling different real estate agents that handle large chunks of land and trying to get landowner names or if the company owns it then see if we could work somehting out... most of them seem decent but say the land is already leased but I have two that say they might have some land I will find out this week on that....

Anything down you way??

Its sort of hard for me to get out like last year or sit on a computer to
look since I am now a foreman I have to be on site alot more... but with all the rain this week I will have some free time to knock on more doors lol

Justin
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Leases around the Richmond area and surrounding vicinity have been probably tightly leased since 1873! Big money involved, I would imagine.

We need something that is convenient to all of us involved. The area down near Lake Gaston is okay, but a bit of a drive for NoVA'ers.

Butch A.

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Yep, I think Gaston is a bit far for me to travel on a regular basis. It's a shame because Mr. Freeze seemed like a nice landowner to work with too.

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I hear ya. When I said earlier that Lake Gaston, Bracey, Exit 4 I-85, etc... was 2 hours from my driveway. I meant it was 2 solid hours, in a buddy's Dodge Ram doing 65-70 towing a 2100lb 17' trihull I/O.

For the NoVA'ers that have never been down that way: You can almost spit on NC from down there. [:-] I don't know guys.... I really don't know.... I'm agree with Bowhuntr09.... It might be a major haul for just a day hunt. Some of you guys would be leaving your house at 1:00am! [&:]

Butch A.

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Congrats!! Eng

Qualified MainSide Bow Hunter for 2004-2005 Quantico Marine Base

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Well a big CONGRATS!!!! to you as well Dave........

Another qualified Mainside bowhunter!!! We are some of the first ones on base this year to qualify!!!!!

Number #19 here lol

I can not wait until Oct 2nd

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Man, what a bummer. Sorry, guys, Gaston Lake is too far for me. Such a great price, but it's not worth it if I'm spending more time on the road than in the woods. :(

I hope this Farmville lease opens soon!

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What about the Farmville, land? I would rather hunt there anyway, is it still a possibility?

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Congrats on qulifying at Quantico. Wish I had the time and ability to hunt bow this year, but it takes too much practice to become confident of a clean kill. Maybe some other day. For now I'll stick with Muzzleloader and rifle/shotgun.

I agree with others on this thread that the Gaston Lake property is too far for us Northern Virginians. Like others said, too much road time versus time in the woods.

I'd still be interested in the Farmville plot or any other locations a bit closer to Fairfax county--preferably within a couple hours drive.

Since I'm new to the state, I'm not much good at making suggestions. I'm mostly depending on you guys for the low down.

If any other reasonably located areas become available, I'm still very willing to be part of a lease.

Let's keep it going!

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good luck guys. originally i wanted to be a part of this group. but w/ work--i wont be able to hunt as much as i have in the past.

i also joined 2 hunting clubs (mainly to gun hunt) in fauquier and buckingham co). i also picked up 3 places to bowhunt in fairfax co and 2 in pwc close to where live. i also have 1 farm in loudoun county where the landowner wants every deer gone. if i and a guest dont take 10 deer each yr off it-he gets mad.
so now i have all these places to hunt and not much time to do it. kinda pissed but work has to come first.

again, good luck.