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DarrellH 10-28-2003 06:32 PM

Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Hello all Virginia hunters!
If you or anyone you know would be interested is signing a petition to try and reverse the long outdated Virginia Sunday hunting ban, it can be found and signed at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/SHV/petition.html

Please pass this info on to anyone you think would be interested in signing! Thanks and good luck in the woods!


popeye 10-29-2003 04:39 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I can' t believe that there are only 35 signatures. Sign up guys!

eng40sqd 10-29-2003 05:54 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
No doubt... sign up guys!!! it would make it much easier on my vacation time every year! LOL

huntnma 10-29-2003 06:53 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
i just added a coule of new names to it :D

Invented 10-29-2003 09:44 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I signed this petition. Its quite odd that this was here, just the other day while driving home, my other half was asking me why there is no hunting on sundays, I really didn' t have a good answer for her, because I don' t understand why we can' t hunt on sundays either

DarrellH 10-30-2003 04:50 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
The Sunday hunting ban is part of Virginia' s " blue laws" which ban certain activities on Sunday' s. These laws were thought up many years ago because Sunday is supposed to be a day of rest. Well, times have changed dramtically, and to many people Sunday is the only day of our busy week that we can enjoy ourselves. I think Virginia needs to realize it' s the year 2003, and these laws are long outdated!

Darrell

eng40sqd 10-30-2003 04:59 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Thanks for signing Huntnma.. its wonderful to see sportsman support each other. DarrellH.. I agree , the good old commonwealth has done alot of changing and changed alot of its laws but the fish and game laws are the ones that seem to lag behind alot of times!!!

coolbrze0 10-30-2003 07:23 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Forget that. We' re each entitled to our own opinion, and Sunday hunting isn' t for me. Let it be a day of rest!

NCLeatherstocking 10-30-2003 08:14 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Why not rearrange your work schedules and work Sunday, hunt when it' s legal? You say you can' t do that? Why not petition your boss?

o2bebowhunting 10-30-2003 08:25 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
you can fish, camp, hike and do all other outddor activities on sunday-why cant we hunt? i quit vba(virginia bowhuinters assoc) a few years ago because they voted " no" to sunday hunting. if it was allowed, the non sunday hunters coud CHOOSE not to hunt. we should have the choice-thats my gripe.

DarrellH 10-30-2003 10:49 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
NCLeatherstocking...that would be option,but....
I work in an automotive shop,Monday through Friday. If I' m not there,I don' t get paid. My wife works Saturdays to make ends meet. So now you see why I' m pushing for Sunday hunting! I' m betting that there are others here with a similar story...

Darrell

TScottW99 10-30-2003 11:48 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I don' t think it' s just the game commission. Alot of VA hunters (myself and quite a few friends included) don' t want it to change. I' m not here to argue, just stating that the game commission has to decide what' s best for the wildlife and try to please us hunters and non-hunters at the same time.

VaWaterfowler 10-30-2003 12:02 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
" I don' t think it' s just the game commission. Alot of VA hunters (myself and quite a few friends included) don' t want it to change. I' m not here to argue, just stating that the game commission has to decide what' s best for the wildlife and try to please us hunters and non-hunters at the same time. "

I agree, I would hunt everyday if I could but at the same time if we push the game to much than it would become harder and harder to find good hunting spots. Sorta like hunting deer in the same confined area day after day, you tend to change their bedding habbits.

I' m all for supporting other sportsman, but if you think that the ones inforcing these laws in the VGIF are not sportsman also, your wrong. They obviously have them in affect for a reason.

Todd:D

Blood Trail 10-30-2003 02:44 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
We should be able to hunt on Sundays. If you dont want to hunt on Sunday' s dont but dictate what others can do.

If your argument is giving the game some rest...great....Im all for it. How about Tuesdays!!!:D

TScottW99 10-30-2003 03:07 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
No not Tuesdays. I' m off every other Tuesday :D

Here are some of " MY" reasons...

- I like the seasons the way they are. If Sunday is allowed then the seasons could be shorter. I wouldn' t care too much for that. As in weeks not days.

- I hunt national forest 95% of the time. If Sunday hunting is allowed then the areas I hunt will be filled with non-residents leaving me little places to hunt.

-It' s not about the money the non-residents could bring in either. The Gov. has already did the unthinkable... he STOLE money from the VDGIF, so if we do allow Sunday hunting and the non-residents bring their money, that' s just more money the Gov. can steal, which would not help the VDGIF, Hunters or the Wildlife.

- I' m selfish, I' ll call myself that before someone else does ;) I like the game we have, the seasons we have and the spots I get to hunt. I take vacation so I can hunt more, and at times I could not hunt. I actually missed pretty much of a decade of hunting while in the military so I make time for it now.

-We have a pretty good game population going. Allowing another day and more hunters is going to hurt that population and or our game limits.

-I don' t look at the no Sunday hunting as a blue law. Guess that' s just me. I just look at it as a day off.

-It doesn' t matter if I don' t hunt on Sundays. All of the above will change if Sunday is allowed, if I stay at home or not.

02bhntn 10-31-2003 04:53 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
The VDGIF doesn' t make these rules. The virginia state legislature makes this type of law. There are many a legislator in virginia that don' t agree with the huntign community at all. These individuals routinely vote down bills like this. If you look back over the years there have been several measures presented to overturn the BLUE LAW that prevents you from hunting on Sunday (the ONLY recreational activity you are not allowed to do on Sunday). I read all these comments and opinions as to why you would not want hunting on Sunday but they hold no weight. The animals get their rest. They actually get it during the week when most folks are at work and there are very few afield. If that is not the case then all you fishermen ought not to fish on Sunday either. Don' t you think the fish need a break also? Sunday hunting has worked in 43 states, what is it that they have that we don' t. I cna tell you the states that don' t have sunday hunting are al on the eastern seaboard and were members of the original 13 colonys. This law is so out dated it' s not even funny. We hunters are the only community singled out and told what we can and can' t do on Sunday.

eng40sqd 10-31-2003 06:15 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I agree with O2bhntn... Why note stop fishing on sundays if you are worried about the wildlife getting a rest. Or better yet.. If you think the animals need a rest day then make it on Wensdays.. ALOT and I mean alot of people I know can only uhnt on weekends and have no time to get off during the week and or work somehwere that they do not have any vacation or much of any! If you do not want to hunt on Sundays by all means that would be your choice and right to do so or not. I woudl not look down on anyone who did not want to for whatever reasons, But I feel that it should be opened up for those that wish to and only can have a chance to enjoy the outdoors!! JMO

loner 10-31-2003 08:05 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
never could understand the logic behind not allowing hunting on sunday but allowing bars to open,sell alcohol and just about everything else the ' BLUE LAWS' were passed to control.

popeye 10-31-2003 07:41 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
TScottW99,
How would Sunday hunting result in either shorter seasons or less game? Adding a few hunting days without increasing bag limits should have only a minor effect on game populations.

No one would be required to hunt on Sundays, anymore than people are required to hunt on Tuesdays. However the option would be available if someone wanted to hunt.

Personally I would like to see a three week rifle season with Sunday hunting; I live west of the Blue Ridge. I would also like to see sometype of QDM started and a fall turkey season during the deer season again. I know, I know, I' m living a pipe dream:D

TScottW99 10-31-2003 09:01 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 

How would Sunday hunting result in either shorter seasons or less game?
For every Sunday you get an extra day, say season X is five weeks long, then you get five extra hunting days. I would not be surprised to see the season shortned by five days. As for less game, Sunday hunting would mean more non-residents, more non-residents means more people hunting, it could possibly effect our bag limits if enough non-residents started coming to Va. ( I know I' m selfish)


No one would be required to hunt on Sundays
Like I said earlier... It doesn' t matter if I sit at home on Sundays, more hunters in the woods still when I get there on Monday or Saturday.


and a fall turkey season during the deer season again
That is the LAST thing our turkey population needs. We have had three years back to back with poor hatches. This last year was the poorest hatch in 30+ years. I along with a good many other people belive that turkey hunters are going to have a rather rough Spring in 04' & 05' .

popeye 11-01-2003 05:08 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Thanks for your insight.

doctorhvac 12-21-2003 12:51 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I have signed it and fowarded it to everyone i know.

A5Mag12 12-21-2003 07:19 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Gee, I wonder how come it is we in La. have all these game animals to hunt when we devastate the population on Sundays. Stating that the closed Sundays is for the game or that it is a great help to them is just a bogus argument. Or that it's so the non-hunters can enjoy the outdoors is just as bogus. How many non-hunters do you see in the woods during the middle of winter? Hunting season is, what 3 months long? What about the other 9 months? They can't enjoy it then? This law is based solely on religious beliefs and no one has the right to force someone else to live according to their beliefs. And I do consider myself a religious man, and I thank God that I don't live in such a narrow minded place as Virginia. And if I did I would become a Seventh Day Adventist and sue the state for discriminating against my religion by banning hunting on that guys Holy Day and not banning it on mine.

DarrellH 12-21-2003 07:53 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Oh yes...I love the religion argument...funny thing is, I'm a church goer and I'm pushing for Sunday hunting, so that argument is completely bogus. Let's see...church starts at 11am...that gives me from sunrise to about 9:30 to hunt, go home, shower, change clothes, and make it to church on time, so I dare anyone to try the religion argument with me!!
A5, you bring up a good point with the Seventh Day Adventist. We have an article just recently put on our website about this. In case anyone hasn't been to the website yet, it can be found at:

http://www.geocities.com/sundayhuntva

Darrell

TScottW99 12-21-2003 08:39 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 

Gee, I wonder how come it is we in La. have all these game animals to hunt when we devastate the population on Sundays
I didn't say it would devast it, I said it woudl change our bag limits and add more pressure to the public land. But since you missed that, I'll also throw in that it will proably affect private land as well. How you may ask? Well every state that allows sunday hunting seems to be having problems in regards to clubs and leases. More hunters means more land is needed.

Like I have said before, I'm against it for selfish reasons. I'm man enough to admitt that :D My reasons have nothing to do with religion. It has to do with where I hunt.

Bearclaw Crislap 12-23-2003 09:00 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I too have signed the Sunday hunting petition. Strange how the legislature clings so tenaciouly to the ban on this one form of recreation. Aren't the so-called "Blue Laws" pretty much toothless these days anyway. Is there any activity, commericial, recreational, or otherwise that is still prohibited on Sunday, OTHER THAN HUNTING? You can sell alcohol, open retails outlets and shops (if you pay the employees overtime), go to the movies etc. Except for hunting, Sunday is just like the rest of the week. Shouldn't the Blue Laws now be called the Blue Law as it seems only hunting is still prohibited on Sunday?

Not every hunter is gonna take the option anyway. Many will still do what they do now on Sunday, sleep, read the paper, football, yardwork, visiting friends and relatives and so on. Sunday hunting, I don't think, would greatly change the habits of hunters. Saturday and vacation time set aside for hunting will still be the main days.

On a positive note, the availability of Sunday hunting may bring more people into the sport and generate more support for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As hunters and shooters, we need a wide base of support to prevent the anti-2nd Amendment people from eroding our rights any more than they already have.

Sunday hunters are unlikely to wipe out animal populations overnite. I trust the wildlife biologists at VDGIF to monitor game popluations and to recommend any necessary adjustments to game regulations. Sunday hunting in VA is an idea whose time has come.

ArJay 12-24-2003 01:09 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I live in Tennessee and hunt in Virginia. I have never liked the "no Sunday" hunt rule especially when you pay a premium for a non-resident hunting license. Hunting Sundays would be great, because you double your hunting opportunities assuming you can only hunt weekends like I do.

I'm glad to see this moving forward and hopefully cause the VA legislature or DGIF to reconsider.

Thanks !

bowhuntr09 01-13-2004 11:30 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
What's the status of this? The General Assembly is in session and I don't see where anyone has introduced it yet. Is it going to get a vote this year?

TScottW99 01-13-2004 04:37 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 

ORIGINAL: bowhuntr09

What's the status of this? The General Assembly is in session and I don't see where anyone has introduced it yet. Is it going to get a vote this year?

Man what's wrong with you!?!? Here I am against it and I know it's up ;) [8D] (just joking)


SB157 Repeals Sunday Hunting Ban

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?041+ful+SB175

HB442 Repeals Sunday Hunting Ban

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?041+ful+HB442

HB338 Youth Sunday Waterfowl Hunting

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?041+ful+HB338

bowhuntr09 01-13-2004 05:46 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
My fault ( I guess ) I checked the VDGIF website and it listed the bills brought forth and when I looked earlier today it was not listed.

DarrellH 01-13-2004 06:35 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
The bills were just made public this afternoon. Get in touch with your legislators and ask them to support these bills!!

Darrell

http://www.geocities.com/sundayhuntva

ButchA 01-13-2004 07:16 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
YEAH!!!!!!!:D[8D]

Awesome news, Darrell!!! [:-]

Butch

bowhuntr09 01-13-2004 10:12 PM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
My letters are typed and will be in the mail in the morning!!! Come on everyone...LETS DO THIS!!!!!!

ButchA 01-14-2004 06:42 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
My emails were just sent out to Del. Reid and Senator Stosch here in the west end of Richmond. :D

Let's all hope, guys.... The more people become aware of these bills, the better!

Butch

Tazman 01-14-2004 07:13 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Well here is an exchange of emails between myself and my delegate, it is obvious to me he is a politician on the wrong side of the fence by the way he sidesteps never really saying he is against Sunday hunting without saying it! This is in reverse chronological order.

Mr. Price:

Thanks for your input. Please know that I do recognize the importance of outdoorsmen to our heritage and our economy. Without attempting to engage you in a running debate, know that I appreciate your comments as they relate to public lands. Just remember that my original statement mentioned the multiple uses of both public and private lands.
I do attempt to thoroughly research any issue. In fact, I asked a constituent today who does some lobbying on hunting issues for his input. I would be interested in VDGIF's take on your Wednesday suggestion as well. I'll look for that opportunity in the coming days and weeks. Thank you.

Ed Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Price, Martin
To: 'Delegate-Elect Ed Scott'
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: Sunday hunting


Mr.. Scott,

there are a few things I would like to point out, you stated "I would be interested in hearing from interested constituents on both sides of the issue and from the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries as it would impact their work." In reality Sunday hunting would have no impact on their work load, as a matter of fact it would make their job easier, as the law stands today they have to devote Game Wardens on Sundays simply to enforce the ban, with the ban lifted that burden on the game wardens would be lifted also.

You mention "that much of Virginia's private and public lands are used for multiple recreational purposes." Who provides the majority of funds used to maintain and purchase the public lands that hunting is allowed on? We both know it is outdoorsmen that provide these funds through the purchase of hunting and fishing license along with additional taxes put on hunting and fishing merchandise. I can assure you that if you compared the number of non-hunting/fishing people who use the public land that is financed by outdoorsman to the number of outdoorsman who use it, you will find that the outdoorsman who pay for this land and its upkeep far surpasses the number of non-hunting/fishing people.

If the non-paying non-hunting/fishing people, feel it is important to have a day a week without hunting to allow them to use the property that outdoorsman provide them, why not change that day to Wednesday. This would be beneficial to Va. businesses and outdoorsman and still give the non-paying individuals their time on the properties provided to them by outdoorsman.

I would like to thank you for replying the first time to my concerns and would hope that you can see an outdoorsman's take on this issue. We pay for the majority of the upkeep of these properties and also the purchase of additional properties, why should we not be allowed to use what we paid for on the Sundays? Why should a very, very small minority of people who provide virtually no financial support for these properties dictate to those who do pay what days they can and can not hunt.

If you want to become the outdoorsman's hero why not sponsor a bill or referendum to switch the Sunday hunting ban to Wednesday? Give the VDGIF a call and ask them how many people buy hunting and fishing license every year. Think about the votes you could garner.

respectfully,

Martin Price



-----Original Message-----
From: Delegate-Elect Ed Scott [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sunday hunting


Mr. Price:

Thank you for your inquiry about Sunday hunting. I recognize that this topic is important to a number of Virginians and have read a number of articles on the issue. Before making a final determination, I would be interested in hearing from interested constituents on both sides of the issue and from the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries as it would impact their work.
Hunting and fishing are an important part of our heritage as Americans and as Virginians. This is one reason why I look forward to joining the Virginia Legislative Sportsmen's Caucus that is being formed in the General Assembly.
Current policy does recognize religious tradition, but it also recognizes that much of Virginia's private and public lands are used for multiple recreational purposes. For those reasons, I am inclined to support current policy, but welcome your continued input on this issue as it does merit periodic review. Thank you for your inquiry.

Ed Scott
Delegate-Elect

Aught Six 01-14-2004 11:03 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
There goes a couple of emails to my delegate and senator. If you haven't written your elected officials yet, I encourage you to do so ASAP.

DarrellH 01-14-2004 11:23 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
One correction to the above info:
The correct number for the bill that modifies the ban to only before noon is SB175, NOT SB157. Refer to SB175 when writing to your rep's. Also, you may want to direct them the site, http://www.geocities.com/sundayhuntva so they can view the 1200+ names on the petition.

Darrell

DarrellH 01-14-2004 11:24 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
And of course reference bill HB442 when writing, which is the one we REALLY want, which removes the ban in full.

Darrell

beagleman28 01-16-2004 09:14 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
Just sent a message to Delegate Hargrove and Senator Bolling. Got a quick response from Mr. Hargrove's Office. In a nutshell it stated that he would support whatever the recomendation of VDGIF.

02bhntn 01-16-2004 09:47 AM

RE: Virginia Sunday hunting petition
 
I sent my letter(email) out to my Delegate and Senator yesterday. I also sent an email to every member on the committee that these bills were referred to.


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