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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Kind of telling that the people who are so irritated about this never address the private property issue. I might not like the idea of shooting a dog,but if people would stay off of other peoples property it wouldn't be an issue. And if a dog is ruining someones hunt on their property then don't get upsetwhen the situation is eliminated.A dog is property too.
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: deerdogdude wow. bowmann you hit the nail right on the head! |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Just contact the owner, huh? And can someone just explain to me how you are upposed to know who owns some dog running around loose out in the woods where it doesn't belong? Maybe ask the dog for his ID, address andphone number?
Supposeded to run around the area stopping at every house or farm asking "Is that your dog running around loose out there?" And we all know how immediately cooperativethose things seem to go. And I especially like the part about if a dog is wearing a collar it isn't a stray. LOL! People abandon dogs all the time with collars on them and they wander off and become strays with collars on too. LOL! So it was noticed that this post was put out and then abandoned by the poster and no questions were answered. If the dog was off their land and on someone elses land. Oh well. If the person who shot it was trespassing on their land that is something different. But to the question by the deserter poster of what to tell your kid........... (in my best Andyhaving a talk with Opie tone). Well ya see Opie, when you have a dog you have alot of responsibility in your hands. And part of that responsibiblity is to make sure your dog is under your control at all times. You can't go letting him run aroundgettin into other peoples stuff or on their property or messin with their stuff. Now it seems like maybe you weren't responsible and didn'tcontrol your dog and it got over on some neighborin property and messed up someones hunt that meant an awful lot to them.Them folks come way down from Mt. Pilot and only got a couple days a year to hunt. They spend alot of hard earned cash to make this trip and you letting your dog get over there and mess it all up for them seems like they didn't appreciate that much at all. No sir eeee. Well Op, I suppose you won't be lettin any more of them little rascals run off out of your control now will ya. I'll have Gomercome by and you and him can dig a hole and bury the dog out back. Maybe put a rock out there to mark the spot so that you'll member this fore ya go lettinanother dog runoff. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Bottom line is this can go back and forth forever when someone comes in and drops a vague post bomb and then doesn't bother to answer the questions it is sure to raise.
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: uncle matt Just contact the owner, huh? And can someone just explain to me how you are upposed to know who owns some dog running around loose out in the woods where it doesn't belong? Maybe ask the dog for his ID, address andphone number? Supposeded to run around the area stopping at every house or farm asking "Is that your dog running around loose out there?" And we all know how immediately cooperativethose things seem to go. And I especially like the part about if a dog is wearing a collar it isn't a stray. LOL! People abandon dogs all the time with collars on them and they wander off and become strays with collars on too. LOL! So it was noticed that this post was put out and then abandoned by the poster and no questions were answered. If the dog was off their land and on someone elses land. Oh well. If the person who shot it was trespassing on their land that is something different. But to the question by the deserter poster of what to tell your kid........... (in my best Andyhaving a talk with Opie tone). Well ya see Opie, when you have a dog you have alot of responsibility in your hands. And part of that responsibiblity is to make sure your dog is under your control at all times. You can't go letting him run aroundgettin into other peoples stuff or on their property or messin with their stuff. Now it seems like maybe you weren't responsible and didn'tcontrol your dog and it got over on some neighborin property and messed up someones hunt that meant an awful lot to them.Them folks come way down from Mt. Pilot and only got a couple days a year to hunt. They spend alot of hard earned cash to make this trip and you letting your dog get over there and mess it all up for them seems like they didn't appreciate that much at all. No sir eeee. Well Op, I suppose you won't be lettin any more of them little rascals run off out of your control now will ya. I'll have Gomercome by and you and him can dig a hole and bury the dog out back. Maybe put a rock out there to mark the spot so that you'll member this fore ya go lettinanother dog runoff. Or you can just tell him you have some dumb guy(not hunter) that is all about himself with no attempt to find out who owns the dog, your pet. you see son, there are "few"(thank God) out there that are justplan ole stupidno other way to put it, sad but so true. as far as how to find out who's pet it is,how about taking your lazy butt off the stand look at the collar and try to make contact!, its called having morals, whichI see some on here do not have. Upbringing is everything to kids, just cause youCHOOSE not to have any, think of the familly your gonna hurt. What is wrong with people now a days?[&o] Hope no kids look up to this guy(?)! |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Uncle Matt, I posted this news article because there has been a increase of unethical hunters shooting hunting dogs this year. It is a major problem and yes if it is wearing a collar it will have a name and number on it for you to call but to many are to quick to sight in their bow, rifle or muzzeloader at it. This particular dog was released on their lease and had gotted off it. They had tracked it late that eveing and had hoped it would come back the next morning it didn't and they continued to look for it like responsible hunting dog owners do. They found the dog shoot on someone elses property, the cowarldly bastard shot the dog and left. I don't care who dogs it was or where it was the point is your some kind of sick person to shoot a dog that is doing what it is bred to do. The hunter might have waited a few minutes and the dog would have left the area with the scent of the deer but I would bet he is a reader of numerios forums on the topic and got instigated with what some has said they would do if it was up to them. Be a man contact the dogs owner and tell him to his face to not release his dogs on your property and just so you know the person who cowardly shot the dog didn't even own the land just hunted there. As a landowner myself and living in southwest of virginia I don't have this problem with hunting dogs. I do have them with poachers and stillhunters hunting with Bow and Rifle sneaking on my land hunting. I have ask many to leave and some I have made runts out of and sent them thru the tickets to make deer drives to get the deer up and moving when the season becomes slow by hunting pressure. It's how you make the day that counts. Happy Hunting.
ORIGINAL: uncle matt Just contact the owner, huh? And can someone just explain to me how you are upposed to know who owns some dog running around loose out in the woods where it doesn't belong? Maybe ask the dog for his ID, address and phone number? Supposeded to run around the area stopping at every house or farm asking "Is that your dog running around loose out there?" And we all know how immediately cooperativethose things seem to go. And I especially like the part about if a dog is wearing a collar it isn't a stray. LOL! People abandon dogs all the time with collars on them and they wander off and become strays with collars on too. LOL! So it was noticed that this post was put out and then abandoned by the poster and no questions were answered. If the dog was off their land and on someone elses land. Oh well. If the person who shot it was trespassing on their land that is something different. But to the question by the deserter poster of what to tell your kid........... (in my best Andy having a talk with Opie tone). Well ya see Opie, when you have a dog you have alot of responsibility in your hands. And part of that responsibiblity is to make sure your dog is under your control at all times. You can't go letting him run around gettin into other peoples stuff or on their property or messin with their stuff. Now it seems like maybe you weren't responsible and didn't control your dog and it got over on some neighborin property and messed up someones hunt that meant an awful lot to them. Them folks come way down from Mt. Pilot and only got a couple days a year to hunt. They spend alot of hard earned cash to make this trip and you letting your dog get over there and mess it all up for them seems like they didn't appreciate that much at all. No sir eeee. Well Op, I suppose you won't be lettin any more of them little rascals run off out of your control now will ya. I'll have Gomer come by and you and him can dig a hole and bury the dog out back. Maybe put a rock out there to mark the spot so that you'll member this fore ya go lettin another dog run off. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
The problem with getting off your stand and trying to find out whose dog is that after yrs of dealing with these folk, trying to compromise, beg, threaten, and calling the law . . . .the practice continues. Fact is, they don't care if their hounds run your land . . .in many cases, they intend to run your land. Fact is, they realize that their going to lose some dogs but no matter they keep dozens of them. Going to the trouble to capture and return their dogs is like saying "I am so stupid as to not realize that your throwing your dog over my property line with the intent of a race. I'm mighty gullible so continue your practice and I will spend my hunting time chasing and returning your mutts to you."
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Bowman, I agree with you 100%, I also understand in those rare instances you actually do have people turning out on your piece and talking has done nothing to resolve the issue. calling the law WILL get something done! it may take a few times but they will do something about it, like you said secure the dog if possible. If after all that and trying to talk to the Offender and warning him to stop and he does not...well thats on him. But the law being GW, animal control, etc. will do something before that IF they are actually doing the things you think they are. your statement on morals, well its not just the few on hear its like that everywhere now. sad isint it.
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Yep them stray dogs, or dogs running loose out of their owners control will just let you take a look at thedog tags with theirowners name and address on thempert near every time. Just holler out, "Sit!",and the mutts will be there waiting on you to check the info.
Then, when you get all the so readily available info, just never mind that deer you were hoping to get. Take the little rascal back over to wherever he is from (remember the address is on the tag) and put him back where he's supposed to be because that is your job and responsibility - not the owners. Here we go once again with a serious problem in todays society. People putting their responsibilities off on others. Bottom line. Wasthe dog was on the actual owners property andshot by a trespasser? OR was iton someone else's property? Because this issue has beenrun thru the mill countless times here and now its time to try it again with the insertation of the"poor little Timmy" element. It just isn't reasonable or feasible to track down the owners of even a small percentage of these dogs we're talking about. Let's look at the last mutt that ran thru when we were out. It looked like some sort of black lab mixed with something. First heard some bustin in the brush by a creekline and caught a flag running off follwed closely by the mutt. Couldn't tell if it had a collar. Could you please tell me exactly where I can find the owners? Cause I ain't spending my time after dark driving farm to farm asking everyone in the next few miles. And if I were going to waste so much time and effort should I buy and bring them a chain to keep the dogs on? And a couple hundred pounds of food? After all - their dog is my responsibilty right? Can I drive my truck out into your crops and get it stuck? And then make it your responsibility to pull my truck out? And the damage my property caused to your crops? Well thats on you - not me. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: uncle matt Yep them stray dogs, or dogs running loose out of their owners control will just let you take a look at the dog tags with their owners name and address on them pert near every time. Just holler out, "Sit!", and the mutts will be there waiting on you to check the info. Then, when you get all the so readily available info, just never mind that deer you were hoping to get. Take the little rascal back over to wherever he is from (remember the address is on the tag) and put him back where he's supposed to be because that is your job and responsibility - not the owners. Here we go once again with a serious problem in todays society. People putting their responsibilities off on others. Bottom line. Was the dog was on the actual owners property and shot by a trespasser? OR was it on someone else's property? Because this issue has been run thru the mill countless times here and now its time to try it again with the insertation of the "poor little Timmy" element. It just isn't reasonable or feasible to track down the owners of even a small percentage of these dogs we're talking about. Let's look at the last mutt that ran thru when we were out. It looked like some sort of black lab mixed with something. First heard some bustin in the brush by a creekline and caught a flag running off follwed closely by the mutt. Couldn't tell if it had a collar. Could you please tell me exactly where I can find the owners? Cause I ain't spending my time after dark driving farm to farm asking everyone in the next few miles. And if I were going to waste so much time and effort should I buy and bring them a chain to keep the dogs on? And a couple hundred pounds of food? After all - their dog is my responsibilty right? Can I drive my truck out into your crops and get it stuck? And then make it your responsibility to pull my truck out? And the damage my property caused to your crops? Well thats on you - not me. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: uncle matt Yep them stray dogs, or dogs running loose out of their owners control will just let you take a look at thedog tags with theirowners name and address on thempert near every time. Just holler out, "Sit!",and the mutts will be there waiting on you to check the info. Then, when you get all the so readily available info, just never mind that deer you were hoping to get. Take the little rascal back over to wherever he is from (remember the address is on the tag) and put him back where he's supposed to be because that is your job and responsibility - not the owners. Here we go once again with a serious problem in todays society. People putting their responsibilities off on others. Bottom line. Wasthe dog was on the actual owners property andshot by a trespasser? OR was iton someone else's property? Because this issue has beenrun thru the mill countless times here and now its time to try it again with the insertation of the"poor little Timmy" element. It just isn't reasonable or feasible to track down the owners of even a small percentage of these dogs we're talking about. Let's look at the last mutt that ran thru when we were out. It looked like some sort of black lab mixed with something. First heard some bustin in the brush by a creekline and caught a flag running off follwed closely by the mutt. Couldn't tell if it had a collar. Could you please tell me exactly where I can find the owners? Cause I ain't spending my time after dark driving farm to farm asking everyone in the next few miles. And if I were going to waste so much time and effort should I buy and bring them a chain to keep the dogs on? And a couple hundred pounds of food? After all - their dog is my responsibilty right? Can I drive my truck out into your crops and get it stuck? And then make it your responsibility to pull my truck out? And the damage my property caused to your crops? Well thats on you - not me. );self.focus();) !! |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Hokieman I guess not posting your property with landowners name and number helps hunting dog owners find you and contact you to ask permission to retrieve our dog. By the time someone drives down the road and walks up to your house not knowing if your home or out and about at the sametime the dog could have fallen into an uncovered well or eaten poision put out by the owner illegaly to kill coyote or set out traps or anything that may endanger a hunting dog. It may take hours to find the owner when infact the welfare of the dog is of utmost importance. It goes both ways. The State of Virginia gives hunting dog owners a right to retrieve hunting dogs not for disrect of the landowner but for respect of their property and the welfare of the dog. To get back to the article at the beginning of this thread. I wouldn't shoot a hound or approve of anyone else doing it. The fact isif thehound hadn't got off their lease(going off your statement, Mr Nelms didn't mention that in the article),it wouldn't have been shot. Same withhounds dropped or run near busy roads and getstruck by cars, whose fault is that? What if the hound causes a accident?Should the hounds owner be liable or maybe the landowner, ifthey gave permissionfor the hounds to be run. You never answered my question from the start of this thread. Would the VHDA push for stiffer penalties and laws against anyone shooting a dog. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
How about some steep penalties for owners whose dogs are running (obviously out of the owners control) on other peoples land? Say there should be a law that you have to hand$1000 bucks, to the land owner for every dog who runs someone elses land? 2 dogs = $2000,3 dogs = $3000.And $500 to every hunter who can snap a photo of a dog on the land they are hunting, public or private.
Why should some irresponsible dog owner have some "right" to claim it is only some minor mistake that very well could ruin a great hunt, a rare opportunity to hunt or a chance at a deer of a lifetime? Let the hunters hunt. If someone chooses to corral deer or drive deer it should have an impact on those who are actually hunting. Yeah that seems fair enough.Why should this be all about protecting the dog from an irresponsible owner? Some stiff monetary fines ought to instill some responsibility in the dog owners and protect innocent hunters from having their hunts screwed up by others irresponsible acts. Basically consider it an extension to alot of existing Hunter Interference Acts/Laws. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: rick64 ORIGINAL: Hokieman I guess not posting your property with landowners name and number helps hunting dog owners find you and contact you to ask permission to retrieve our dog. By the time someone drives down the road and walks up to your house not knowing if your home or out and about at the sametime the dog could have fallen into an uncovered well or eaten poision put out by the owner illegaly to kill coyote or set out traps or anything that may endanger a hunting dog. It may take hours to find the owner when infact the welfare of the dog is of utmost importance. It goes both ways. The State of Virginia gives hunting dog owners a right to retrieve hunting dogs not for disrect of the landowner but for respect of their property and the welfare of the dog. To get back to the article at the beginning of this thread. I wouldn't shoot a hound or approve of anyone else doing it. The fact is if the hound hadn't got off their lease(going off your statement, Mr Nelms didn't mention that in the article), it wouldn't have been shot. Same with hounds dropped or run near busy roads and get struck by cars, whose fault is that? What if the hound causes a accident? Should the hounds owner be liable or maybe the landowner, if they gave permission for the hounds to be run. You never answered my question from the start of this thread. Would the VHDA push for stiffer penalties and laws against anyone shooting a dog. Elimination of the RTR and a minimum acreage to run hounds for deer is needed Do you honestly think eliminating the RTR will stop the law breakers. I don't. I feel that hound hunters need to no tolerate the law breakers and turn them in and weed out the few bad apples. And to your other question. Not at the present time, However every incident is being recorded and will continue to be until such time that action might be taken. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: uncle matt How about some steep penalties for owners whose dogs are running (obviously out of the owners control) on other peoples land? Say there should be a law that you have to hand $1000 bucks, to the land owner for every dog who runs someone elses land? 2 dogs = $2000, 3 dogs = $3000. And $500 to every hunter who can snap a photo of a dog on the land they are hunting, public or private. Why should some irresponsible dog owner have some "right" to claim it is only some minor mistake that very well could ruin a great hunt, a rare opportunity to hunt or a chance at a deer of a lifetime? Let the hunters hunt. If someone chooses to corral deer or drive deer it should have an impact on those who are actually hunting. Yeah that seems fair enough. Why should this be all about protecting the dog from an irresponsible owner? Some stiff monetary fines ought to instill some responsibility in the dog owners and protect innocent hunters from having their hunts screwed up by others irresponsible acts. Basically consider it an extension to alot of existing Hunter Interference Acts/Laws. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: uncle matt How about some steep penalties for owners whose dogs are running (obviously out of the owners control) on other peoples land? Say there should be a law that you have to hand$1000 bucks, to the land owner for every dog who runs someone elses land? 2 dogs = $2000,3 dogs = $3000.And $500 to every hunter who can snap a photo of a dog on the land they are hunting, public or private. Why should some irresponsible dog owner have some "right" to claim it is only some minor mistake that very well could ruin a great hunt, a rare opportunity to hunt or a chance at a deer of a lifetime? Let the hunters hunt. If someone chooses to corral deer or drive deer it should have an impact on those who are actually hunting. Yeah that seems fair enough.Why should this be all about protecting the dog from an irresponsible owner? Some stiff monetary fines ought to instill some responsibility in the dog owners and protect innocent hunters from having their hunts screwed up by others irresponsible acts. Basically consider it an extension to alot of existing Hunter Interference Acts/Laws. The difference between legal and illegal actions. Someone setting a stand , even 100 yards from yours, is not illegal if it is on property they have a right or permission to be on. (Unlike a dog running loose on property they have no business on). Oh yeah, maybe I should mention that whether it messes up a hunt in any way shape or form has nothing (atleast in my mind) to do with the animal having to be a buck. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
The difference between legal and illegal actions even if the dog was on posted property and the owners in the wrong this isvirginia,and shooting a dog that has not attacked a person or livestock is a felony. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: uncle matt ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: uncle matt How about some steep penalties for owners whose dogs are running (obviously out of the owners control) on other peoples land? Say there should be a law that you have to hand $1000 bucks, to the land owner for every dog who runs someone elses land? 2 dogs = $2000, 3 dogs = $3000. And $500 to every hunter who can snap a photo of a dog on the land they are hunting, public or private. Why should some irresponsible dog owner have some "right" to claim it is only some minor mistake that very well could ruin a great hunt, a rare opportunity to hunt or a chance at a deer of a lifetime? Let the hunters hunt. If someone chooses to corral deer or drive deer it should have an impact on those who are actually hunting. Yeah that seems fair enough. Why should this be all about protecting the dog from an irresponsible owner? Some stiff monetary fines ought to instill some responsibility in the dog owners and protect innocent hunters from having their hunts screwed up by others irresponsible acts. Basically consider it an extension to alot of existing Hunter Interference Acts/Laws. The difference between legal and illegal actions. Someone setting a stand , even 100 yards from yours, is not illegal if it is on property they have a right or permission to be on. (Unlike a dog running loose on property they have no business on). Oh yeah, maybe I should mention that whether it messes up a hunt in any way shape or form has nothing (atleast in my mind) to do with the animal having to be a buck. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: uncle matt ORIGINAL: Hokieman ORIGINAL: uncle matt How about some steep penalties for owners whose dogs are running (obviously out of the owners control) on other peoples land? Say there should be a law that you have to hand$1000 bucks, to the land owner for every dog who runs someone elses land? 2 dogs = $2000,3 dogs = $3000.And $500 to every hunter who can snap a photo of a dog on the land they are hunting, public or private. Why should some irresponsible dog owner have some "right" to claim it is only some minor mistake that very well could ruin a great hunt, a rare opportunity to hunt or a chance at a deer of a lifetime? Let the hunters hunt. If someone chooses to corral deer or drive deer it should have an impact on those who are actually hunting. Yeah that seems fair enough.Why should this be all about protecting the dog from an irresponsible owner? Some stiff monetary fines ought to instill some responsibility in the dog owners and protect innocent hunters from having their hunts screwed up by others irresponsible acts. Basically consider it an extension to alot of existing Hunter Interference Acts/Laws. The difference between legal and illegal actions. Someone setting a stand , even 100 yards from yours, is not illegal if it is on property they have a right or permission to be on. (Unlike a dog running loose on property they have no business on). Oh yeah, maybe I should mention that whether it messes up a hunt in any way shape or form has nothing (atleast in my mind) to do with the animal having to be a buck. It is legal for a dog to be shot by it's owner, I doubt the VHDA will want this to change. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
My mother's parents live in an area where dog hunting is really prevalent. I try to keep an open mind, but it is hard for me to understand how this is not a nuisance. My dog has run over 30 miles behind my mountain bike, so it is hard for me to think how can anyone who doesn't own several thousand acres expect to keep their dog off other people's land.
I am not saying that shooting someone else's dog is optimal. But if it is your land and it is a persistent problem, it is understandable. People are really strange about dogs. I love dogs, don't get me wrong. But I live in an area where lots are .25 acres or less, and two of my neighbors have very loud dogs that stay outside all the time. I am paying close to $2,000 per month in rent, and there are days when I can't read a book or watch TV in my own home because of my neighbors dogs. The bottom line is that you don't have a right to keep an animal in such a way that it is a nuisance to others and an infringement upon their enjoyment of their property. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Its sad that the boys dog got shot. Its also sad that people take the piss poor attitude that "Chit happens" when you are nuisance and a burden on other people's enjoyment of their own land. If you don't care that you are screwing up other people, don't expect them to care if they screw your day up.
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
You took my reply out of contexted. Chit happens everytime you step into the woods to go hunting or are you someone that blames everything or anyone because you didn't see a buck or kill one. To much rain, snow,wind are all factors of a hunt. A tree falling in the woods spooking game is part of a hunt. a squirrel barking when it has seen you is part of hunting.
ORIGINAL: Stonewall308 Its sad that the boys dog got shot. Its also sad that people take the piss poor attitude that "Chit happens" when you are nuisance and a burden on other people's enjoyment of their own land. If you don't care that you are screwing up other people, don't expect them to care if they screw your day up. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
The bottom line is that you don't have a right to keep an animal in such a way that it is a nuisance to others and an infringement upon their enjoyment of their property. It is legal for a dog to be shot by it's owner, I doubt the VHDA will want this to change. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
If you don't care that you are screwing up other people, don't expect them to care if they screw your day up. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: vahoundsman It is legal for a dog to be shot by it's owner, I doubt the VHDA will want this to change. From your post, it seems like you have issues with NOVA and the AKC. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: vahoundsman If you don't care that you are screwing up other people, don't expect them to care if they screw your day up. And ifGrandpa is trespassing with the kids, maybe they should hunt with him in the future. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
It is legal for a dog to be shot by it's owner, I doubt the VHDA will want this to change you missed my point and i didnt even think about puppy mills,the point is mills and private breeders shoot/put down WAY far more dogs than any hound hunter, ,money???????they cant sell a pup if it has poor conformation,wrong color,or what ever may be wrong with the dog.older brood female past her prime,only putting out 3 or 4 pups is no longer a money maker....pow....eliminated,white german shepard....pow....not reconized as a correct color. husky without blue eyes.....pow.dude i can go on and on.if you wanna jump on the hsus band wagon go preach to people that are far worse than hound hunters. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: vahoundsman It is legal for a dog to be shot by it's owner, I doubt the VHDA will want this to change you missed my point and i didnt even think about puppy mills,the point is mills and private breeders shoot/put down WAY far more dogs than any hound hunter, ,money???????they cant sell a pup if it has poor conformation,wrong color,or what ever may be wrong with the dog.older brood female past her prime,only putting out 3 or 4 pups is no longer a money maker....pow....eliminated,white german shepard....pow....not reconized as a correct color. husky without blue eyes.....pow.dude i can go on and on.if you wanna jump on the hsus band wagon go preach to people that are far worse than hound hunters.  |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
yep and your doing a great job of representing hsus.......keep up the good work
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Hokieman You took my reply out of contexted. Chit happens everytime you step into the woods to go hunting or are you someone that blames everything or anyone because you didn't see a buck or kill one. To much rain, snow,wind are all factors of a hunt. A tree falling in the woods spooking game is part of a hunt. a squirrel barking when it has seen you is part of hunting. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Thing is that most of us "still hunters" understand that dogs are a part of hunting in virginia. As long as it is not done on purpose and not an everyday thing, then how could you actually get mad enough to want to kill a dog????[:@]You can not convince me that it does happen all the time. Do i get pissed when it happens...YES, but like I have said before i knew it was dog country before I bought the land to hunt, and would never ask people who own 10,000 acres to stop running dogs around my land because I am scared their dogs might cross over mine. I just don't get how you could! It does not matter anyways cause I will have to get used to it because dog hunters are not going to stop hunting around me in my life time anyways. You doggers should respect others and take ever precaution to keep the hunt on your land. Don't start getting on me though cause I know that sometimes the deer is going to run out of your hunt and the dogs are going to chase the deer, and I am fine with that. as long as it is not done on purpose!
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RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Ok I taking you've had problems with deer doggers. What have you done to remedy the situation. What is the situation? Every coin has 2 sides. I'll read yours and contact the others for theirs and give you an answer.
ORIGINAL: Stonewall308 ORIGINAL: Hokieman You took my reply out of contexted. Chit happens everytime you step into the woods to go hunting or are you someone that blames everything or anyone because you didn't see a buck or kill one. To much rain, snow,wind are all factors of a hunt. A tree falling in the woods spooking game is part of a hunt. a squirrel barking when it has seen you is part of hunting. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: vahoundsman yep and your doing a great job of representing hsus.......keep up the good work vahoundsman, if you think that you should have the right to shootyour hounds, just say it. Don't try to justify with a bunch of BS about someone else doing it. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Hasn't this crap gone on long enough???
Will a Moderator please pull the plug on thisstupid, hate filled thread? |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Hokieman Ok I taking you've had problems with deer doggers. What have you done to remedy the situation. What is the situation? Every coin has 2 sides. I'll read yours and contact the others for theirs and give you an answer. I've never seen someone feel so entitled to the use of someone else's land, and down right indignant at any assertion to the contrary. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
well chit does happen even to you weither you'll admit it or not is your problem. doesn't make it right it just happens and is unforseen and sometimes it may come not as an act og god but as mishaps or natural occurences. Life goes on.
ORIGINAL: Stonewall308 ORIGINAL: Hokieman Ok I taking you've had problems with deer doggers. What have you done to remedy the situation. What is the situation? Every coin has 2 sides. I'll read yours and contact the others for theirs and give you an answer. I've never seen someone feel so entitled to the use of someone else's land, and down right indignant at any assertion to the contrary. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Yeah, chit happens. Your kids dog got shot, chit happens. Life goes on.
If you don't respect other people's rights, privacy, and property, don't expect them to respect yours. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Stonewall308 Yeah, chit happens. Your kids dog got shot, chit happens. Life goes on. If you don't respect other people's rights, privacy, and property, don't expect them to respect yours. |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
Little story for you.
Once upon a time there were 6 nice calves minding their own business in their own little patch of land. Next thing you know 6 dogs show up. 1rot mix, couple of pits, and for sure three bird dogs. These dogs killed outright or injured, three before I came on the seen and shot the rot, one pit and one of the bird dogs. The rest got away. The owner and I are having a little meeting down town in a month to see what the price of steak is going to be. My point is? I dont care if you are hunting 5 miles down the road or 100 yards down the road. You cant control your dog or haven't contacted me to see if its ok for your animal to come on my property, I see it. I will do my best to stop it in its tracks. End of story. Cowardly killer no Irresponsible hunter! |
RE: Cowardly Killer not Hunter - by Billy Nelms
ORIGINAL: Who You cant control your dog or haven't contacted me to see if its ok for your animal to come on my property, I see it. I will do my best to stop it in its tracks. |
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